I like this, because I worked in the court service as a divorce officer, and that destroyed my optimism that people are generally monogamous rather than monogamous based on their option.

For me, sex is sex, its not the same as love. That said I don't have an interest in screwing around etc it seems like a lot of effort.

Coming out was a big issue back in the days when homosexuality was against the law and/or legally discriminated against. In the more enlightened world we live in now, it's less important and, almost contradictory for exactly the reason you state.

Unfortunately, especially in the US and especially down here in the "Bible Belt", gay rights (and women's rights and minorities' rights) are under constant assault. It's still legal in the majority of states (it's over 30, I believe) to discriminate against homosexuals at work and in housing.

So, it's still, unfortunately, necessary for a gay person who comes out if, for no other reason, than to show those around them - many of whom may have a negative, stereotypical opinion of homosexuality - that it's ok to be gay.

It's ok to be gay, sure it is...No one should be ashamed of their nature. However there are problems in this when we start to widen this 'accept nature' idea. It's why I reject an equality argument and instead push a fairness one.

I would argue, that it's also ok not to view heterosexuality and homosexuality as equal in worth to humanity. They just aren't.

However, It's just not ok to make homosexuals suffer for what is predominantly 'nature given', where it can be reasonably avoided. Much in the same way it isn't ok to treat small or short or low IQ people badly.

Well, yes....still that one difference can be rather an important difference.

Are you allowed to prefer your only son to be straight for example? Are you a terrible person for preferring your lineage to continue?....I think it's an irrationality to be told that 'discriminating' between two things is wrong.

As for equality in terms of the law.....well yeah but
then we get activists selectively taking Christian bakers to court for discrimination.....apparently you can't even passively refuse a job.

That particular case made me take stock of the whole situation again. I don't want us to return to hotels having, 'no irish' , 'no blacks' signs in their windows. But I also didn't like how those activists behaved....I'm genuinely mixed up about that issue.

Maybe refusing a job just as long as you don't give a reason....Mind you, I'm not sure that works well either.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jul 2017 6.33pm)

Can't lgbt people have happy lives then?

Inadvertently, the mask slips further...

I certainly want my son to be straight because I'd like some grand children and a happy life for him. If he wasn't, there is nothing I could do about it.
I have no time for rejecting homosexuality on religious grounds as I find religion too inflexible and irrational. If you don't want to sell someone a cake then don't say it's because they are gay. You can't discriminate against people because of their religion but you can if that involves the mistreatment of others. People can think what they like but actions are a different matter.