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Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 3.08pm
Originally posted by wordup Our orange friend has decided to top up with an additional obstruction of justice style tan [Link] One of the key elements of proving obstruction of justice is demonstrating the mindset of the person when acting to obstruct justice. If that person was obstructing justice without intent, there's no crime, so proving intent is the key. The fact that Trump told Comey to drop the Flynn investigation, told the world on live TV that he told Comey to drop the Russia investigation, told the chairman of the Senate committee investigating Russia (Richard Burr) to end the investigation and, when he didn't, told a bunch of other people to tell Burr to end the investigation, means that the intent element of the crime is pretty much indisputable at this point. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 01 Dec 17 3.08pm

Originally posted by wordup

Our orange friend has decided to top up with an additional obstruction of justice style tan [Link]

One of the key elements of proving obstruction of justice is demonstrating the mindset of the person when acting to obstruct justice. If that person was obstructing justice without intent, there's no crime, so proving intent is the key.

The fact that Trump told Comey to drop the Flynn investigation, told the world on live TV that he told Comey to drop the Russia investigation, told the chairman of the Senate committee investigating Russia (Richard Burr) to end the investigation and, when he didn't, told a bunch of other people to tell Burr to end the investigation, means that the intent element of the crime is pretty much indisputable at this point.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 3.15pm
Originally posted by wordup [Link] - Flynn likely to plead guilty to lying to the FBI. One wonders what he was lying about and what plea deal he may have signed with regard to the other bang to rights charges. No wonder Donnie Moscow has been in twitter distraction mode. What didn't Flynn lie about? While part of the Trump campaign, he engaged in paid activities on behalf of Russia and Turkey. During the transition, he engaged in paid activities on behalf of Turkey and also contacted Russia to circumvent any response to the sanctions imposed for election meddling. It's also alleged that he conspired to kidnap and return to Turkey a strident critic of Erdogan's government who currently resides in Pennsylvania. As for proof, after getting fired as NSA in record time, he retroactively filed as an agent of a foreign power (Turkey). That means that he has already confessed to breaking the Foreign Agents Registration Act which is there to the ensure transparency of activities by foreign government in the US. More importantly, his son is caught up in this, and that is believed to have been a major pressure point on getting Flynn Sr's cooperation. Here's a more in-depth report: [Link] Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 3.18pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 01 Dec 17 3.15pm

Originally posted by wordup

[Link] - Flynn likely to plead guilty to lying to the FBI. One wonders what he was lying about and what plea deal he may have signed with regard to the other bang to rights charges. No wonder Donnie Moscow has been in twitter distraction mode.

What didn't Flynn lie about? While part of the Trump campaign, he engaged in paid activities on behalf of Russia and Turkey. During the transition, he engaged in paid activities on behalf of Turkey and also contacted Russia to circumvent any response to the sanctions imposed for election meddling. It's also alleged that he conspired to kidnap and return to Turkey a strident critic of Erdogan's government who currently resides in Pennsylvania.

As for proof, after getting fired as NSA in record time, he retroactively filed as an agent of a foreign power (Turkey). That means that he has already confessed to breaking the Foreign Agents Registration Act which is there to the ensure transparency of activities by foreign government in the US. More importantly, his son is caught up in this, and that is believed to have been a major pressure point on getting Flynn Sr's cooperation.

Here's a more in-depth report: [Link]

Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 3.18pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

wordup 01 Dec 17 3.20pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston What didn't Flynn lie about? While part of the Trump campaign, he engaged in paid activities on behalf of Russia and Turkey. During the transition, he engaged in paid activities on behalf of Turkey and also contacted Russia to circumvent any response to the sanctions imposed for election meddling. It's also alleged that he conspired to kidnap and return to Turkey a strident critic of Erdogan's government who currently resides in Pennsylvania. As for proof, after getting fired as NSA in record time, he retroactively filed as an agent of a foreign power (Turkey). That means that he has already confessed to breaking the Foreign Agents Registration Act which is there to the ensure transparency of activities by foreign government in the US. More importantly, his son is caught up in this, and that is believed to have been a major pressure point on getting Flynn Sr's cooperation. Exactly. It is overwhelmingly likely that he's agreed a plea deal if he pleads guilty to far less than the available evidence suggests. This is a good deal for Flynn and indicative of providing significant incriminating information on someone higher up the food chain. I wonder who that might be...

wordup

01 Dec 17 3.20pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Exactly. It is overwhelmingly likely that he's agreed a plea deal if he pleads guilty to far less than the available evidence suggests. This is a good deal for Flynn and indicative of providing significant incriminating information on someone higher up the food chain. I wonder who that might be...

Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 3.39pm
Originally posted by wordup Exactly. It is overwhelmingly likely that he's agreed a plea deal if he pleads guilty to far less than the available evidence suggests. This is a good deal for Flynn and indicative of providing significant incriminating information on someone higher up the food chain. I wonder who that might be... Du'uh. Hillary. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 01 Dec 17 3.39pm

Originally posted by wordup

Du'uh. Hillary.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Hrolf The Ganger 01 Dec 17 4.05pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Hard to disagree with the opinion, about the President, of the editor of Breitbart London, which is a subsidiary of Breitbart News, whose Chairman was until recently Counselor to the President? I think you mean hardly disinterested. But he is right none the less.

Hrolf The Ganger

01 Dec 17 4.05pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Hard to disagree with the opinion, about the President, of the editor of Breitbart London, which is a subsidiary of Breitbart News, whose Chairman was until recently Counselor to the President?

I think you mean hardly disinterested.

But he is right none the less.

Jamesey Wandsworth 01 Dec 17 4.42pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Peter Taaffe Tony Cliff (Deceased - founder of the SWP) John Rose Mark L Thomas Ian Bone Lisa McKenzie Andrew Murray Tariq Ali Susan Watkins Ken Loach (Left Unity party) I think a lot of people who think of Corbyn as extreme left wing, haven't had much experience of the far left or know much about the main far left parties in the UK. Compared to say Ian Bone, Corbyn is a more left wing Tony Blair. When talking about left wing politics on this stream, my own thoughts have been limited to individuals who have a realistic chance of being in government or are at least MPs who can sometimes influence policies. I don't and wouldn't wish to know about every obscure group of lefties like the maniacs who shout "Hang the Tory scum" outside the Conservative Conference nowadays. Would they be Momentum or The People's Front for the Liberation of Hackney and Islington? Let's just say that Corbyn is the most left wing leader of the Labour Party since Michael Foot and has managed to get far more popular support than Old Wurzel ever attracted. Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

Jamesey

Wandsworth 01 Dec 17 4.42pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Peter Taaffe
Tony Cliff (Deceased - founder of the SWP)
John Rose
Mark L Thomas
Ian Bone
Lisa McKenzie
Andrew Murray
Tariq Ali
Susan Watkins
Ken Loach (Left Unity party)

I think a lot of people who think of Corbyn as extreme left wing, haven't had much experience of the far left or know much about the main far left parties in the UK.

Compared to say Ian Bone, Corbyn is a more left wing Tony Blair.

When talking about left wing politics on this stream, my own thoughts have been limited to individuals who have a realistic chance of being in government or are at least MPs who can sometimes influence policies.

I don't and wouldn't wish to know about every obscure group of lefties like the maniacs who shout "Hang the Tory scum" outside the Conservative Conference nowadays. Would they be Momentum or The People's Front for the Liberation of Hackney and Islington?

Let's just say that Corbyn is the most left wing leader of the Labour Party since Michael Foot and has managed to get far more popular support than Old Wurzel ever attracted.

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

wordup 01 Dec 17 4.46pm
"Michael Flynn will reportedly testify that President Trump instructed him to make contact with Russians during the 2016 presidential campaign, ABC News reported on Friday. “[Flynn] is prepared to testify...against President Trump, against members of the Trump family, and others in the White House,” Brian Ross reported. He added that Flynn’s testimony, as such, would “contradict all that President Trump has said up to this moment.” Flynn, Trump’s former national-security adviser, pleaded guilty Friday to charges that he misled the FBI during a January 2017 interview. Edited by wordup (01 Dec 2017 5.15pm)

wordup

01 Dec 17 4.46pm

"Michael Flynn will reportedly testify that President Trump instructed him to make contact with Russians during the 2016 presidential campaign, ABC News reported on Friday. “[Flynn] is prepared to testify...against President Trump, against members of the Trump family, and others in the White House,” Brian Ross reported. He added that Flynn’s testimony, as such, would “contradict all that President Trump has said up to this moment.” Flynn, Trump’s former national-security adviser, pleaded guilty Friday to charges that he misled the FBI during a January 2017 interview.

Edited by wordup (01 Dec 2017 5.15pm)

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 01 Dec 17 5.04pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston What didn't Flynn lie about? While part of the Trump campaign, he engaged in paid activities on behalf of Russia and Turkey. During the transition, he engaged in paid activities on behalf of Turkey and also contacted Russia to circumvent any response to the sanctions imposed for election meddling. It's also alleged that he conspired to kidnap and return to Turkey a strident critic of Erdogan's government who currently resides in Pennsylvania. As for proof, after getting fired as NSA in record time, he retroactively filed as an agent of a foreign power (Turkey). That means that he has already confessed to breaking the Foreign Agents Registration Act which is there to the ensure transparency of activities by foreign government in the US. More importantly, his son is caught up in this, and that is believed to have been a major pressure point on getting Flynn Sr's cooperation. Here's a more in-depth report: [Link] Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 3.18pm) This thread is as enthralling as it is long [Tweet Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 01 Dec 17 5.04pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Here's a more in-depth report: [Link]

Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 3.18pm)

This thread is as enthralling as it is long

[Tweet Link]

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 5.13pm
Originally posted by wordup "Michael Flynn will reportedly testify that President Trump instructed him to make contact with Russians during the 2016 presidential campaign, ABC News reported on Friday. “[Flynn] is prepared to testify...against President Trump, against members of the Trump family, and others in the White House,” Brian Ross reported. He added that Flynn’s testimony, as such, would “contradict all that President Trump has said up to this moment.” Flynn, Trump’s former national-security adviser, pleaded guilty Friday to charges that he misled the FBI during a January 2017 interview." And here's the underlying crime that completes the elements needed for an obstruction of justice charge against Trump. So we can add that to whatever Flynn alleges against Trump and his family. Yesterday, Session was asked - while under oath in a closed door hearing of the House Judiciary Committee - if Trump had ever asked him to interfere with the Russia investigation (from which Session is recused); Sessions refused to answer the question. Remember earlier this year when Trump, Pence, Sessions, Kushner, Junior etc. etc. said there were NO contacts between the campaign and Russians? Well there is now 19 individual Russians who are known to have had contact with Trump campaign / transition officials - including Sessions, Kushner and Junior. This house of cards is starting to collapse. This is why there is such urgency to get the tax bill done. They may still get the tax bill done, but it will stink even more than it does already, as it will have the taint of Trump / Russia and Republican complicity all over it. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 01 Dec 17 5.13pm

Originally posted by wordup

And here's the underlying crime that completes the elements needed for an obstruction of justice charge against Trump. So we can add that to whatever Flynn alleges against Trump and his family.

Yesterday, Session was asked - while under oath in a closed door hearing of the House Judiciary Committee - if Trump had ever asked him to interfere with the Russia investigation (from which Session is recused); Sessions refused to answer the question.

Remember earlier this year when Trump, Pence, Sessions, Kushner, Junior etc. etc. said there were NO contacts between the campaign and Russians? Well there is now 19 individual Russians who are known to have had contact with Trump campaign / transition officials - including Sessions, Kushner and Junior.

This house of cards is starting to collapse. This is why there is such urgency to get the tax bill done. They may still get the tax bill done, but it will stink even more than it does already, as it will have the taint of Trump / Russia and Republican complicity all over it.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

wordup 01 Dec 17 5.18pm
Yes, next year may well be when this 'entertaining' chapter comes to an end. The Trump presidency will be an interesting one to analyse after the event. Policy wise, as we can see with these tax and attempted health care changes, nothing he does benefits the 'forgotten' people he claims to represent. Quite the opposite, it benefits those in his own financial bracket. It benefits himself, as that is largely how he behaves and what interests him. His main 'gift' to his base are twitter rants targeting this group and that regardless of the merits or validity. That's the red meat for those going all in with Trump and from that perspective I find it quite sad really. People got played, but of course this is politics and it won't be the first time that's happened. It's just more glaringly obvious in this case. And of course today's bombshell partially explains Trump's latest distraction. It's becoming a running joke that whenever Trump posts one of his twitter distractions it's to take the attention away from something unfavourable. Edited by wordup (01 Dec 2017 5.28pm)

wordup

01 Dec 17 5.18pm

Yes, next year may well be when this 'entertaining' chapter comes to an end.

The Trump presidency will be an interesting one to analyse after the event. Policy wise, as we can see with these tax and attempted health care changes, nothing he does benefits the 'forgotten' people he claims to represent. Quite the opposite, it benefits those in his own financial bracket. It benefits himself, as that is largely how he behaves and what interests him.

His main 'gift' to his base are twitter rants targeting this group and that regardless of the merits or validity. That's the red meat for those going all in with Trump and from that perspective I find it quite sad really. People got played, but of course this is politics and it won't be the first time that's happened. It's just more glaringly obvious in this case.

And of course today's bombshell partially explains Trump's latest distraction. It's becoming a running joke that whenever Trump posts one of his twitter distractions it's to take the attention away from something unfavourable.

Edited by wordup (01 Dec 2017 5.28pm)

Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 5.27pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Here's something for you to consider: maybe, being 24, with a degree, with a full time white-collar job, and still having to share a flat with multiple mates because you can't afford to live where you work...which is Sheffield...is what is driving the discontent. Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 4.05pm) It's a valid point but I don't see Corbyn as the solution to those particular problems. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Dec 17 5.27pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Here's something for you to consider: maybe, being 24, with a degree, with a full time white-collar job, and still having to share a flat with multiple mates because you can't afford to live where you work...which is Sheffield...is what is driving the discontent.

Edited by Ray in Houston (01 Dec 2017 4.05pm)

It's a valid point but I don't see Corbyn as the solution to those particular problems.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 5.29pm
Originally posted by tome Disagree. Most subjects are chosen because they might appeal to the readers - or the customers, as the grocer - type proprietors will think. They are products to be sold. Hence the importance of the BBC, and I also disagree with your assessments as per my prior comments about the make up of their panels. They piss both sides off, so an approximation of a middle ground is as good as it's going to get. Not much agreement here but it's an exchange of stand points and that's something. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Dec 17 5.29pm

Originally posted by tome

Disagree. Most subjects are chosen because they might appeal to the readers - or the customers, as the grocer - type proprietors will think. They are products to be sold.

Hence the importance of the BBC, and I also disagree with your assessments as per my prior comments about the make up of their panels. They piss both sides off, so an approximation of a middle ground is as good as it's going to get.

Not much agreement here but it's an exchange of stand points and that's something.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 5.33pm
Originally posted by wordup [Link] - Flynn likely to plead guilty to lying to the FBI. One wonders what he was lying about and what plea deal he may have signed with regard to the other bang to rights charges. No wonder Donnie Moscow has been in twitter distraction mode. He's lying to cover for Russia involvement in poorly performing Trump owned bakeries in Sidcup. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Dec 17 5.33pm

Originally posted by wordup

He's lying to cover for Russia involvement in poorly performing Trump owned bakeries in Sidcup.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 5.37pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston This house of cards is starting to collapse. This is why there is such urgency to get the tax bill done. They may still get the tax bill done, but it will stink even more than it does already, as it will have the taint of Trump / Russia and Republican complicity all over it. Dream on Ray, dream on. Trump won't be going anywhere over this chestnut. Lots of other possible pit falls but not this one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Dec 17 5.37pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Dream on Ray, dream on.

Trump won't be going anywhere over this chestnut. Lots of other possible pit falls but not this one.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 5.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's a valid point but I don't see Corbyn as the solution to those particular problems. People here voted for Trump (in almost as many numbers as they did for Clinton) specifically because he was someone who was going to shake things up. Now they're going to lose their healthcare and pay more taxes while their choice for President gets impeached and those around him go to jail. The point being, don't overestimate people's ability to make rational choices when facing what they see as institutionalized hardship. PS This is in no way meant to infer agreement with your opinion of Corbyn; I don't have a detailed enough understanding of UK politics to make such an assessment - which is why I have conspicuously avoided making such. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 01 Dec 17 5.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's a valid point but I don't see Corbyn as the solution to those particular problems.

People here voted for Trump (in almost as many numbers as they did for Clinton) specifically because he was someone who was going to shake things up. Now they're going to lose their healthcare and pay more taxes while their choice for President gets impeached and those around him go to jail.

The point being, don't overestimate people's ability to make rational choices when facing what they see as institutionalized hardship.

PS This is in no way meant to infer agreement with your opinion of Corbyn; I don't have a detailed enough understanding of UK politics to make such an assessment - which is why I have conspicuously avoided making such.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 5.48pm
Originally posted by wordup Yes, next year may well be when this 'entertaining' chapter comes to an end. The Trump presidency will be an interesting one to analyse after the event. Policy wise, as we can see with these tax and attempted health care changes, nothing he does benefits the 'forgotten' people he claims to represent. Quite the opposite, it benefits those in his own financial bracket. It benefits himself, as that is largely how he behaves and what interests him. His main 'gift' to his base are twitter rants targeting this group and that regardless of the merits or validity. That's the red meat for those going all in with Trump and from that perspective I find it quite sad really. People got played, but of course this is politics and it won't be the first time that's happened. It's just more glaringly obvious in this case. And of course today's bombshell partially explains Trump's latest distraction. It's becoming a running joke that whenever Trump posts one of his twitter distractions it's to take the attention away from something unfavourable. Trump is the whirlwind that Republicans are reaping for sowing the winds of discontent among their base voters. They blamed Muslims, Mexicans, liberals, Kenyans...anyone but the true villains (the donor class who attend the $50,000 / plate and feed millions into the "unaffiliated" Super PACs). They used to be lead by those who knew where the edge was and when to stop. Then Trump came along and dragged the whole lot of them over the cliff. He is in this clearly for himself - both self-enrichment and also to benefit his Russian financiers / blackmailers. Mainstream Republicans were caught off guard by this, had no idea what to do, decided to try and roll with it to get their agenda passed and now may be in the process of destroying their own political - and the country's economic - futures, killing tens of thousands - maybe millions (if we end up at war with North Korea and/or Iran) in the process. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 01 Dec 17 5.48pm

Originally posted by wordup

Yes, next year may well be when this 'entertaining' chapter comes to an end.

Trump is the whirlwind that Republicans are reaping for sowing the winds of discontent among their base voters. They blamed Muslims, Mexicans, liberals, Kenyans...anyone but the true villains (the donor class who attend the $50,000 / plate and feed millions into the "unaffiliated" Super PACs). They used to be lead by those who knew where the edge was and when to stop.

Then Trump came along and dragged the whole lot of them over the cliff. He is in this clearly for himself - both self-enrichment and also to benefit his Russian financiers / blackmailers. Mainstream Republicans were caught off guard by this, had no idea what to do, decided to try and roll with it to get their agenda passed and now may be in the process of destroying their own political - and the country's economic - futures, killing tens of thousands - maybe millions (if we end up at war with North Korea and/or Iran) in the process.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 5.48pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston People here voted for Trump (in almost as many numbers as they did for Clinton) specifically because he was someone who was going to shake things up. Now they're going to lose their healthcare and pay more taxes while their choice for President gets impeached and those around him go to jail. The point being, don't overestimate people's ability to make rational choices when facing what they see as institutionalized hardship. PS This is in no way meant to infer agreement with your opinion of Corbyn; I don't have a detailed enough understanding of UK politics to make such an assessment - which is why I have conspicuously avoided making such. It's alright, I didn't infer agreement. I doubt there's much chance of us ever agreeing on anything. They was more agreement in the Spanish civil war. I have little doubt that you would regard Corbyn as a little too right wing for you but basically on the right path 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Dec 17 5.48pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

The point being, don't overestimate people's ability to make rational choices when facing what they see as institutionalized hardship.

It's alright, I didn't infer agreement. I doubt there's much chance of us ever agreeing on anything. They was more agreement in the Spanish civil war.

I have little doubt that you would regard Corbyn as a little too right wing for you but basically on the right path

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ray in Houston Houston 01 Dec 17 5.50pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Dream on Ray, dream on. Trump won't be going anywhere over this chestnut. Lots of other possible pit falls but not this one. This is moving fast. You might want to keep up... We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 01 Dec 17 5.50pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Dream on Ray, dream on.

Trump won't be going anywhere over this chestnut. Lots of other possible pit falls but not this one.

This is moving fast. You might want to keep up...

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 5.52pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston This is moving fast. You might want to keep up... Yeah, make sure you don't miss an episode of SNL. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Dec 17 5.52pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

This is moving fast. You might want to keep up...

Yeah, make sure you don't miss an episode of SNL.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 01 Dec 17 5.56pm
The non existent god save us from the hubris of lefties who think themselves so knowing and superior over the 'duped' as they see it. Their type of attitude accounts for a lot of his votes. Most people know what Trump is and represents. I suspect the number of people fooled by him isn't any higher than the number fooled by any other politician. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Dec 17 5.56pm

The non existent god save us from the hubris of lefties who think themselves so knowing and superior over the 'duped' as they see it.

Their type of attitude accounts for a lot of his votes. Most people know what Trump is and represents. I suspect the number of people fooled by him isn't any higher than the number fooled by any other politician.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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