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Dubai Eagle 14 Jan 23 3.50pm
What about newly qualified drivers, how on earth are they supposed to be able to afford to buy vehicles exempt from the ULEZ charge- Especially since a large %age of new drivers are going to be youngsters who at the same time would be trying to save for their first property or pay rent - Originally posted by Spiderman Have you considered that some people, who require a car for work, may not be able to afford anything other than “an old banger”? Especially, at the present time, when your friends from the Unions are bringing the railways to a near standstill

Dubai Eagle

14 Jan 23 3.50pm

What about newly qualified drivers, how on earth are they supposed to be able to afford to buy vehicles exempt from the ULEZ charge-

Especially since a large %age of new drivers are going to be youngsters who at the same time would be trying to save for their first property or pay rent -

Originally posted by Spiderman

Have you considered that some people, who require a car for work, may not be able to afford anything other than “an old banger”? Especially, at the present time, when your friends from the Unions are bringing the railways to a near standstill

Dubai Eagle 14 Jan 23 3.55pm
I am quite sure that this has absolutely nothing to do with providing cleaner air for Londoners (or anyone else) - its just tax dressed up to make it seem more acceptable. Originally posted by cryrst Your last line is more than acceptable for a fee of £12.50p If khant was serious he would charge £100 or more to dissuade the high polluters. I could have an imp or an old3 litre capri but as long as I pay the fee he doesn’t give a sh it how bad the emissions are. It’s a tax on an easy target. Research the day that the original air sample was taken. It couldn’t have been worse so inevitably any day since would be better.

Dubai Eagle

14 Jan 23 3.55pm

I am quite sure that this has absolutely nothing to do with providing cleaner air for Londoners (or anyone else) - its just tax dressed up to make it seem more acceptable.

Originally posted by cryrst

Your last line is more than acceptable for a fee of £12.50p
If khant was serious he would charge £100 or more to dissuade the high polluters.
I could have an imp or an old3 litre capri but as long as I pay the fee he doesn’t give a sh it how bad the emissions are. It’s a tax on an easy target.
Research the day that the original air sample was taken. It couldn’t have been worse so inevitably any day since would be better.

eritheagle Erith 14 Jan 23 4.06pm
I don't own a car myself so not affected but: My dad's mate lives in Plumstead and with the new rules coming in will have to pay to park his own car outside his own house. I don't see how this can be right or justified. Has nothing to do with pollution etc, just another way of taxing people!

eritheagle

Erith 14 Jan 23 4.06pm

I don't own a car myself so not affected but:

My dad's mate lives in Plumstead and with the new rules coming in will have to pay to park his own car outside his own house. I don't see how this can be right or justified.
Has nothing to do with pollution etc, just another way of taxing people!

eagle52 Shirley,Croydon 15 Jan 23 8.04pm
If this does go ahead, as I understand it, you’ll pay on the days that the car moves and not when just parked up. The other consideration is for shift workers that have to do nights, police, fire brigade, nurses etc, as they’ll get clobbered twice . Once in the afternoon/evening going to work, and again in he morning when returning home.

eagle52

Shirley,Croydon 15 Jan 23 8.04pm

If this does go ahead, as I understand it, you’ll pay on the days that the car moves and not when just parked up. The other consideration is for shift workers that have to do nights, police, fire brigade, nurses etc, as they’ll get clobbered twice . Once in the afternoon/evening going to work, and again in he morning when returning home.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Jan 23 3.41pm
Khan has to pay for his 90 extra advisors and social media gurus somehow. No one wants him to do without. Plus he's got those extra think tanks on colonial/slave names of places and sculptures for plinths to worry about. Quangos of his mates won't pay for themselves. This plus fare rises, why travel at all when you can basically freeze at home? Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Jan 23 3.41pm

Khan has to pay for his 90 extra advisors and social media gurus somehow. No one wants him to do without. Plus he's got those extra think tanks on colonial/slave names of places and sculptures for plinths to worry about. Quangos of his mates won't pay for themselves.
This plus fare rises, why travel at all when you can basically freeze at home?

Red and Blue Army!

Far away fan On the border of jungle 16 Jan 23 4.09pm
Khan is a idiot, I live SE Asia we do not have rubbish trucks collect our rubbish , my business we burn all our plastic etc only way to get rid off our rubbish, also every home does in rural districts, plastic can't be burnt no more goes in ditch on my farm.

Far away fan

On the border of jungle 16 Jan 23 4.09pm

Khan is a idiot, I live SE Asia we do not have rubbish trucks collect our rubbish , my business we burn all our plastic etc only way to get rid off our rubbish, also every home does in rural districts, plastic can't be burnt no more goes in ditch on my farm.

Far away fan On the border of jungle 16 Jan 23 4.12pm
Originally posted by Far away fan Khan is a idiot, I live SE Asia we do not have rubbish trucks collect our rubbish , my business we burn all our plastic etc only way to get rid off our rubbish, also every home does in rural districts, plastic can't be burnt no more goes in ditch on my farm. Also we through a few car tires in as they will burn for a long time, clean air Khan go where your grandparents came from

Far away fan

On the border of jungle 16 Jan 23 4.12pm

Originally posted by Far away fan

Also we through a few car tires in as they will burn for a long time, clean air Khan go where your grandparents came from

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Jan 23 4.50pm
Originally posted by Far away fan Khan is a idiot, I live SE Asia we do not have rubbish trucks collect our rubbish , my business we burn all our plastic etc only way to get rid off our rubbish, also every home does in rural districts, plastic can't be burnt no more goes in ditch on my farm. Can everyone in London do the same? Presumably, it's quite a large ditch? Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Jan 23 4.50pm

Originally posted by Far away fan

Can everyone in London do the same? Presumably, it's quite a large ditch?

Red and Blue Army!

rednblue4eva Norwood 29 Jan 23 8.42pm
So let me get this right, my car (2014 diesel) doesn’t meet clean air standards, but if I pay £12.50 a day then it does? Nothing to do with clean air just a way of making money. And once everyone has a clean car what’s he going to do as he’ll lose his cash

rednblue4eva

Norwood 29 Jan 23 8.42pm

So let me get this right, my car (2014 diesel) doesn’t meet clean air standards, but if I pay £12.50 a day then it does?

Nothing to do with clean air just a way of making money.

And once everyone has a clean car what’s he going to do as he’ll lose his cash

Mapletree Croydon 29 Jan 23 8.45pm
Originally posted by Far away fan Also we through a few car tires in as they will burn for a long time, clean air Khan go where your grandparents came from This is a spoof account, right?

Mapletree

Croydon 29 Jan 23 8.45pm

Originally posted by Far away fan

Also we through a few car tires in as they will burn for a long time, clean air Khan go where your grandparents came from

This is a spoof account, right?

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jan 23 10.00pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 This is over-hype. It's not responsible and not necessary and offensive to run a polluting vehicle, you are damaging other people's health. London's air has been transformed by Khan, I had asthma for years thanks to London pollution. Vehicle emissions poison and kill if we must have them they must meet the strictest standards possible. There are inexpensive alternatives, electric scooters and bikes for example buses cabs, its only if your vehicle does not meet the required standard. Judging by your posts, I'm sure you must still be breathing in something funny.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Jan 23 10.00pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

This is over-hype.

It's not responsible and not necessary and offensive to run a polluting vehicle, you are damaging other people's health.

London's air has been transformed by Khan, I had asthma for years thanks to London pollution.

Vehicle emissions poison and kill if we must have them they must meet the strictest standards possible.

There are inexpensive alternatives, electric scooters and bikes for example buses cabs, its only if your vehicle does not meet the required standard.

Judging by your posts, I'm sure you must still be breathing in something funny.

cryrst The garden of England 30 Jan 23 5.00am
Originally posted by rednblue4eva So let me get this right, my car (2014 diesel) doesn’t meet clean air standards, but if I pay £12.50 a day then it does? Nothing to do with clean air just a way of making money. And once everyone has a clean car what’s he going to do as he’ll lose his cash Yup, said it myself. If he was serious you’d pay £200 a day or banned but it’s a cash injection from a tax. Although yours and my car 2015 diesel are possibly cleaner than some petrol cars post 2006 which are allowed to drive for free.

cryrst

The garden of England 30 Jan 23 5.00am

Originally posted by rednblue4eva

So let me get this right, my car (2014 diesel) doesn’t meet clean air standards, but if I pay £12.50 a day then it does?

Nothing to do with clean air just a way of making money.

And once everyone has a clean car what’s he going to do as he’ll lose his cash

Yup, said it myself. If he was serious you’d pay £200 a day or banned but it’s a cash injection from a tax. Although yours and my car 2015 diesel are possibly cleaner than some petrol cars post 2006 which are allowed to drive for free.

Spiderman Horsham 30 Jan 23 8.01am
Originally posted by steeleye20 This is over-hype. It's not responsible and not necessary and offensive to run a polluting vehicle, you are damaging other people's health. London's air has been transformed by Khan, I had asthma for years thanks to London pollution. Vehicle emissions poison and kill if we must have them they must meet the strictest standards possible. There are inexpensive alternatives, electric scooters and bikes for example buses cabs, its only if your vehicle does not meet the required standard. This is a spoof account, right?

Spiderman

Horsham 30 Jan 23 8.01am

Originally posted by steeleye20

This is over-hype.

It's not responsible and not necessary and offensive to run a polluting vehicle, you are damaging other people's health.

London's air has been transformed by Khan, I had asthma for years thanks to London pollution.

Vehicle emissions poison and kill if we must have them they must meet the strictest standards possible.

There are inexpensive alternatives, electric scooters and bikes for example buses cabs, its only if your vehicle does not meet the required standard.

This is a spoof account, right?

Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 20 Feb 23 3.34pm
ULEZ: More than 1m people outside London to be hit by expansion - report [Link] According to ONS There was 1 death registered in London in the period 2001 to 2021 which had exposure to air pollution recorded on the death certificate in either part 1 or part 2 of the death certificate. This death was attributed to environmental air pollution, however we are unable to determine whether this involved car emission Edited by Apollofuzz (20 Feb 2023 3.34pm) I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

Apollofuzz

On the edge of reason 20 Feb 23 3.34pm

ULEZ: More than 1m people outside London to be hit by expansion - report

[Link]

According to ONS
There was 1 death registered in London in the period 2001 to 2021 which had exposure to air pollution recorded on the death certificate in either part 1 or part 2 of the death certificate. This death was attributed to environmental air pollution, however we are unable to determine whether this involved car emission

Edited by Apollofuzz (20 Feb 2023 3.34pm)

I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat
I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

cryrst The garden of England 20 Feb 23 3.51pm
I was kinda hoping it was the wrong thread and lots of RIPs

cryrst

The garden of England 20 Feb 23 3.51pm

I was kinda hoping it was the wrong thread and lots of RIPs

cryrst The garden of England 20 Feb 23 3.53pm
Originally posted by Apollofuzz ULEZ: More than 1m people outside London to be hit by expansion - report [Link] According to ONS There was 1 death registered in London in the period 2001 to 2021 which had exposure to air pollution recorded on the death certificate in either part 1 or part 2 of the death certificate. This death was attributed to environmental air pollution, however we are unable to determine whether this involved car emission Edited by Apollofuzz (20 Feb 2023 3.34pm) It’s a tax. Plain and simple. If not you would pay per kg of co2 not a set charge for a whole bracket. I wish a zillionaire would buy everyone within 20 miles of this ulez a vehicle which was free of ulez. Then the c*** would be stuffed.

cryrst

The garden of England 20 Feb 23 3.53pm

Originally posted by Apollofuzz

ULEZ: More than 1m people outside London to be hit by expansion - report

[Link]

Edited by Apollofuzz (20 Feb 2023 3.34pm)

It’s a tax. Plain and simple. If not you would pay per kg of co2 not a set charge for a whole bracket.
I wish a zillionaire would buy everyone within 20 miles of this ulez a vehicle which was free of ulez. Then the c*** would be stuffed.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Feb 23 4.09pm
Originally posted by cryrst It’s a tax. Plain and simple. If not you would pay per kg of co2 not a set charge for a whole bracket. I wish a zillionaire would buy everyone within 20 miles of this ulez a vehicle which was free of ulez. Then the c*** would be stuffed. Nice idea cryst. A lot of people are forgetting, that the ULEZ daily charge of £12.50 is for all vehicles up to 3.5t incl motorbikes. All vehicles over 3.5t are subject to a £100 daily charge which includes Lorries/Artics, Single & twin decked coaches as well as single & double decked buses from out of the area. On top of the ULEZ charge is the Congestion Charge for central London & on top of that is the LEZ charge for all of Greater London of between £100 - £300 for Lorries/Coaches &another £12.50 for small vehicles. Kinda makes you want to out & drive in & around London really. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Feb 23 4.09pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Nice idea cryst.

A lot of people are forgetting, that the ULEZ daily charge of £12.50 is for all vehicles up to 3.5t incl motorbikes. All vehicles over 3.5t are subject to a £100 daily charge which includes Lorries/Artics, Single & twin decked coaches as well as single & double decked buses from out of the area.

On top of the ULEZ charge is the Congestion Charge for central London & on top of that is the LEZ charge for all of Greater London of between £100 - £300 for Lorries/Coaches &another £12.50 for small vehicles.

Kinda makes you want to out & drive in & around London really.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eaglesdare 20 Feb 23 4.23pm
Climate change is just a reason to tax us more!

eaglesdare

20 Feb 23 4.23pm

Climate change is just a reason to tax us more!

steeleye20 Croydon 20 Feb 23 5.42pm
I think its just what the Doctor ordered. Provided your vehicle meets the ULEZ emission standards you do not pay, otherwise you have to clean up your act and Londoners inhabitants do not have to inhale your poison. Why are London Boroughs spending millions of taxpayers money opposing it, I think tfl can override them anyway. Mayor Khan doing the right, not popular, thing.

steeleye20

Croydon 20 Feb 23 5.42pm

I think its just what the Doctor ordered.

Provided your vehicle meets the ULEZ emission standards you do not pay, otherwise you have to clean up your act and Londoners inhabitants do not have to inhale your poison.

Why are London Boroughs spending millions of taxpayers money opposing it, I think tfl can override them anyway.

Mayor Khan doing the right, not popular, thing.

cryrst The garden of England 20 Feb 23 6.01pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I think its just what the Doctor ordered. Provided your vehicle meets the ULEZ emission standards you do not pay, otherwise you have to clean up your act and Londoners inhabitants do not have to inhale your poison. Why are London Boroughs spending millions of taxpayers money opposing it, I think tfl can override them anyway. Mayor Khan doing the right, not popular, thing. Go on then swampy. Give us the facts about Londons air quality. If khant had or does put tamper proof calibrated sensors all around London and the outskirts for say one year and put the results online; then put in the ulez for one year with the same calibrated equipment and actually prove a difference I will say fair play. Although if the results are negligible then I think you have the reason behind it. The question has to be why he hasn’t got this evidence or want this evidence. Do you not even want to question his motives ?

cryrst

The garden of England 20 Feb 23 6.01pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think its just what the Doctor ordered.

Provided your vehicle meets the ULEZ emission standards you do not pay, otherwise you have to clean up your act and Londoners inhabitants do not have to inhale your poison.

Why are London Boroughs spending millions of taxpayers money opposing it, I think tfl can override them anyway.

Mayor Khan doing the right, not popular, thing.

Go on then swampy. Give us the facts about Londons air quality.
If khant had or does put tamper proof calibrated sensors all around London and the outskirts for say one year and put the results online; then put in the ulez for one year with the same calibrated equipment and actually prove a difference I will say fair play. Although if the results are negligible then I think you have the reason behind it.
The question has to be why he hasn’t got this evidence or want this evidence.
Do you not even want to question his motives ?

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