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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Oct 20 3.03pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


All superb stuff but this is the bit for me that stands out. 2016 was a year in which the Globalists got their arses kicked. First of all Brexit, making an utter mockery of all supposed conventional political wisdom, then followed by Trump whose victory took whatever was left of this political elites supposed nous, balled it up, wiped its arse and then discarded it through an open window.

Utterly humiliated them.

But they are not defeated and have come back with a vengence. They want Trump out and are more than happy to flout every rule in the book to do so. And backed by an utterly compliant Left who seem to have abandoned any kind of principled stance (with the odd few notable exceptions)
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And it is them that I truly struggle with. Biden is a full on return to the US engaging in wars all over the globe. They will back down in the face of Chinese agression and launch endless missiles against Middle Eastern countries for no other purpose than to increase the share price of defence companies.

I genuinely think I will punch the first leftie in the face who has cucked for Biden before then proclaiming themselves horrified when the missiles and drone strikes commences once again should the Democrats take over in the White House. Never felt such loathing before for them but I simply have had a gutful of their pious and pathetic virtue signalling.

I get why they don't like Trump but seriously, has he been that bad a US President? The US economy was booming before Covid, it had been withdrawing its troops from all sorts of warzones and in short, he has actually, if you ignore the rhetoric, been a pretty effectful US President who much more than any others has done what he said he would.

So don't support Trump. That is fine. But cheering on Biden? Who represents the very worst of the corporate interests that many on the Left claim to detest? Beyond comprehension other than a ludicrous vanity because Trumps victory in 2016 was called impossible by many of them prior.


Get some hand wraps as you're going to be doing a lot of punching.

I also don't blame the normie for not supporting Trump as he's essentially the US Alf Garnett of politics and they read the press and posts of people like WE and don't think much more than that.

However, if the Democrats win half of the US will be forced to take much more of the liberal anti white working class, neo feminist politics that now characterises the 'progressives' lens on the world.

It isn't going to work and Biden isn't going to work either....probably be more asleep than awake once the drugs wear off.

On the positive side, a Biden win will increase nationalism exponentially on the right, which is what they need to do if they are going to survive.

Their first battle will be within the Republican party itself.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Oct 20 7.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mueller stated himself in front of all the world's cameras, after spending tens of millions of taxpayer money, that there was no evidence that Trump was guilty.

Yet you do nothing but deny and spread misinformation about it.

As for your waffle about a new regime convicting Trump. ...well it won't be on Russia-gate and it wouldn't happen anyway and if you thought about it you'd understand why.

It's just extra delicious because it's another one of your predictions that time will soon demonstrate exists only within your TDS dream world.

If the Democrats win, I'll give it six months and then I'll post on here reminding everyone about yet another incorrect WE prediction.

As usual you choose not to address what I actually wrote but, rather like Barr did, construct your own narrative. I was talking about what Barr did and not picking out one phrase in answer to a loaded question from a Republican Senator.

Barr wrote a 4 page summary that twisted Mueller's report and presented it in a way that caused him to write in response that it "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance". In other words "whitewashing". Which is what I was talking about.

According to informed sources his concerns centred on the presentation by Barr that his report "did not establish a conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign and reached no conclusion about possible obstruction of justice by President Trump."

This is NOT what his redacted report actually said but it encouraged Trump and his supporters to claim he had been totally exonerated! When the truth is that due to Trump refusing to be interviewed and sharing records that the case could not be proven to the level needed to satisfy a legal case.

Trump wasn't exonerated. He just wasn't found guilty. Yet! There were loads of redactions and smoking guns lie everywhere, some of which have been picked up by previously loyal sycophants whilst other sycophants have "kept stum for Trump" and been rewarded with a pardon.

Trump's behaviour is no better than the mob boss he resembles but mob bosses eventually get skewered. It might well be tax fraud that puts him inside but inside he will go.

It might well take longer than 6 months so don't waste your time crowing. Wait 5 years and then let's see.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Oct 20 7.16pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As usual you choose not to address what I actually wrote but, rather like Barr did, construct your own narrative. I was talking about what Barr did and not picking out one phrase in answer to a loaded question from a Republican Senator.

Barr wrote a 4 page summary that twisted Mueller's report and presented it in a way that caused him to write in response that it "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance". In other words "whitewashing". Which is what I was talking about.

According to informed sources his concerns centred on the presentation by Barr that his report "did not establish a conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign and reached no conclusion about possible obstruction of justice by President Trump."

This is NOT what his redacted report actually said but it encouraged Trump and his supporters to claim he had been totally exonerated! When the truth is that due to Trump refusing to be interviewed and sharing records that the case could not be proven to the level needed to satisfy a legal case.

Trump wasn't exonerated. He just wasn't found guilty. Yet! There were loads of redactions and smoking guns lie everywhere, some of which have been picked up by previously loyal sycophants whilst other sycophants have "kept stum for Trump" and been rewarded with a pardon.

Trump's behaviour is no better than the mob boss he resembles but mob bosses eventually get skewered. It might well be tax fraud that puts him inside but inside he will go.

It might well take longer than 6 months so don't waste your time crowing. Wait 5 years and then let's see.

And yet previously you have whittered on about how the law is above reproach. Funny how you change your tune when it suits.

I don't think you have a sincere bone in your body. Either that, or you are truely deluded. Everything you say is political rhetoric.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Oct 20 7.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As usual you choose not to address what I actually wrote but, rather like Barr did, construct your own narrative. I was talking about what Barr did and not picking out one phrase in answer to a loaded question from a Republican Senator.

Barr wrote a 4 page summary that twisted Mueller's report and presented it in a way that caused him to write in response that it "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance". In other words "whitewashing". Which is what I was talking about.

According to informed sources his concerns centred on the presentation by Barr that his report "did not establish a conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign and reached no conclusion about possible obstruction of justice by President Trump."

This is NOT what his redacted report actually said but it encouraged Trump and his supporters to claim he had been totally exonerated! When the truth is that due to Trump refusing to be interviewed and sharing records that the case could not be proven to the level needed to satisfy a legal case.

Trump wasn't exonerated. He just wasn't found guilty. Yet! There were loads of redactions and smoking guns lie everywhere, some of which have been picked up by previously loyal sycophants whilst other sycophants have "kept stum for Trump" and been rewarded with a pardon.

Trump's behaviour is no better than the mob boss he resembles but mob bosses eventually get skewered. It might well be tax fraud that puts him inside but inside he will go.

It might well take longer than 6 months so don't waste your time crowing. Wait 5 years and then let's see.

ffs

This really is the giddy limit.

'Obstruction of justice' isn't even evidence of any anything to do with Russia! You don't care, that's the truth of it.

Everyone knew that lawyers would try to use anything they could so there was no advantage to Trump in talking to a clearly biased legal team.

I'll state again...and this really is important.

Mueller had years....He spent millions of dollars. He had the anti Trump team full of highly motivated lawyers all looking for any tiny piece of evidence.

So what what shown by Mueller when he comes to report?

A big fat nothing burger. No charges, just the usual anti Trump suspicions put there by the Democrats who funded all the research into Trump....No balance at all.

We had years, of CNN and all the rest of the lying Democratic media saying day after day the same rubbish that you wrote on here.

Indeed, we had you on the 'bias' thread stating that Trump was going to lose the presidency once Mueller reported....Anyone can go and read that drivel even now...Back then me and others were saying you were duping yourself and others....Did you listen? No, you're an activist and you only seem to listen to yourself.

Now you say we should wait five years before saying you talk BS? Errrr...five frigging years!.....sorry darling, one of us might be dead of a heart attack before then and frankly you deserve all the ridicule coming to you for the rubbish you wrote on that thread.

Here's some words that are actually realistic, rather than than your wish fulfillment TDS. Trump isn't going behind bars even if you had a new regime that hated him.....and if you used your brain instead of TDS you could work out the several reasons why.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Oct 2020 8.00pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Oct 20 8.21pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And yet previously you have whittered on about how the law is above reproach. Funny how you change your tune when it suits.

I don't think you have a sincere bone in your body. Either that, or you are truely deluded. Everything you say is political rhetoric.

Never have I said that the law is beyond reproach! What I have said is that the law must be obeyed, which is a very different thing. There is though nothing wrong with the law in this matter. If finding the appropriate burden of proof being denied to you by presidential privilege and obstructionism there is only so far you can go. Until that privilege is removed and the obstructionism can be legally countered.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Oct 20 8.49pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

ffs

This really is the giddy limit.

'Obstruction of justice' isn't even evidence of any anything to do with Russia! You don't care, that's the truth of it.

Everyone knew that lawyers would try to use anything they could so there was no advantage to Trump in talking to a clearly biased legal team.

I'll state again...and this really is important.

Mueller had years....He spent millions of dollars. He had the anti Trump team full of highly motivated lawyers all looking for any tiny piece of evidence.

So what what shown by Mueller when he comes to report?

A big fat nothing burger. No charges, just the usual anti Trump suspicions put there by the Democrats who funded all the research into Trump....No balance at all.

We had years, of CNN and all the rest of the lying Democratic media saying day after day the same rubbish that you wrote on here.

Indeed, we had you on the 'bias' thread stating that Trump was going to lose the presidency once Mueller reported....Anyone can go and read that drivel even now...Back then me and others were saying you were duping yourself and others....Did you listen? No, you're an activist and you only seem to listen to yourself.

Now you say we should wait five years before saying you talk BS? Errrr...five frigging years!.....sorry darling, one of us might be dead of a heart attack before then and frankly you deserve all the ridicule coming to you for the rubbish you wrote on that thread.

Here's some words that are actually realistic, rather than than your wish fulfillment TDS. Trump isn't going behind bars even if you had a new regime that hated him.....and if you used your brain instead of TDS you could work out the several reasons why.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Oct 2020 8.00pm)

ffs indeed! Because there you go again writing your own narrative.

I didn't suggest that "obstruction of justice" necessarily had anything to do with Russia, though it might well have been the background to it. Obstructing justice is a crime in any context. However "a conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign" most certainly is to do with Russia andit's there too, in case you failed to notice it!

Mueller certainly had years and lots of resources. Pealing away the layers, trying to make deals and squeeze information takes time. Several successful prosecutions resulted but when a veil of secrecy is surrounded by the high brick walls of the Trump White House and it's retreat behind presidential priviledge gaining access to sufficient evidence to satisfy the necessary burden of proof proved impossible. There are many who know the truth. The FBI certainly does, so Mueller must along with Comey. Proving it though is a very different thing to knowing it. Both by the way are Republicans!

Mueller didn't report nothing! He nuanced his words very carefully. It was Barr who whitewashed them so as to appear they were nothing and give his boss a free pass.

CNN and the rest of the MSM know the truth too. They just cannot publish it. Yet.

I didn't expect Barr to do what he did. When he was appointed it was hoped, due to his past record, that he would be a "white hat" and ready to uphold the constitution rather than protect a corrupt POTUS. Why he didn't remains a mystery that no doubt will be come clear in time. Trump must hold something on him. It can be the only answer.

Trump will be held in a secure institution by the time 5 years are up. You can be sure of it, but it's not the priority. Removing him is. Muting him comes later but is still important. Revealing his corruption will help to do that. If it's not a jail cell then it will undoubtedly be a psychiatric facility. Maybe he will arrange to have a gold loo fitted so he can dream of still being POTUS whilst taking a dump.

Trump derangement syndrome certainly exists. You seem to have been infected by it, along with all the gullible Trmpkins waving their stupid flags and wearing their stupid hats in the USA.


 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Oct 20 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by matthau

Follow them for a week or so. Then tell me if you still think trump is a part of it all


It’s a fascinating world and all of it comes out in the pressers or papers a week later. It shows you how Obama is going down too. Beleive what you wish, but if you really look at this site, it does make you think thrice


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Excuse me if I butt in.

Do you take this "Qanon" stuff seriously?

When it has been ridiculed and shown to be false?

When it has been banned from almost all the social media platforms?

I realise that the USA is awash with folk who believe all kinds of nonsensical conspiracy theories and that we too have our own (fortunately very rare) nutjobs like David Icke but this kind of thing isn't generally believed by anyone here.

So do you? Seriously?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Oct 20 9.45pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Excellent post.

You know since I became more politically interested....probably around 2015 I've slowly come to realise some standard truths about western politics, that were always there but have never been acknowledged.
My slowless in realising this is because the system itself presents half truths and lies by omission. It looks to gate keep the harsher truths from the wider public.

As a normie you go through life thinking you are much freer then you actually are. The closer truth is that you are free only within a limited context.

One of those realising truths is that democracy is a myth, in the sense that changing your party makes any significant change to your life.

I was indoctrinated, as a normie like everybody else. As my unknowing indoctrinators were themselves. We were all raised in the same ideas about western democracy and freedom. Ideas that were far more true perhaps fifty or more years ago but which have slowly become much less true over time.

The leaders presented to us only hold a certain level of power. The greater powers lie above the leaders and can be described as a loosely affiliated (I don't go with a controlling cabal or conspiracy) set of globalized interests, sometimes but not exclusively corporate, who tend to share the same ideas and aims and hence collectively affect the direction of the west much more effectively than any elected state leader.

There have always been powers 'behind the thrones' however while there was always influence in past times it's only since the rise and expansion of the wealth classes and the corporates that this power base has been able to much more fully spread its influence and power way over any even half legitimate level.

They lobby and fund politicians for compliance as the power behind the thrones. They fund the media and institutions, especially educational universities and they importantly fund NGOs and activism to promote and enact its ideas and also to prosecute those who are against its ideas...for example, 'hope not hate'.

You mentioned Bloomberg and he is just one of the bigger fish in that collective pond whose activities and efforts are aimed at this undemocratic use of power.

No change of national party or president can break the collective direction they move towards.

That's why Trump was such a spanner in the works for them, because unlike someone like Orban and some minor European countries, he is the leader of the most powerful and influential country in the world....and he only half shares their ideas.

It would be wrong to characterise Trump as anti globalised interests as a lot in common with them in certain areas, israel for example. However, where he differs, he differs significantly. For example, his protectionism, nationalism and immigration are directly against their collective interests and it feeds into the unprecedented efforts against him.

So I suppose I'll end by repeating that democracy is a smokescreen for normies and that the west becomes less free and more polarised as time goes by.

It isn't by chance....all we see are the waves at the surface while most of us are ignorant to the many currents directing them below.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Oct 2020 11.51am)

A cabal is really just a group of people with similar interests. They don't have to own white cats or meet inside volcanos. What they can do and are doing is control what people think through the media and use their money and power to achieve their objectives legally or otherwise.

They should be every bit as scary as any fictional or conspiracy theory cliche.

 

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Bubbs Flag Edinburgh 02 Oct 20 6.10am Send a Private Message to Bubbs Add Bubbs as a friend

Trump has covid.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 02 Oct 20 7.41am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Bubbs

Trump has covid.

What are the odds that some posters on here won’t believe it? Like some didn’t believe Boris had it.
Whilst on subject of odds, if Trump wins what are the odds on some poster claiming irregularities or interference?

 

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People on social media posting how the leaders of the countries where they tried to downplay it the most - The Brazillian leader - Bolsanaro, Johnson and Trump are the ones who have all contracted it. Trump has downplayed it since it began, even did so during the presidential debate. If you think he and his supporters won't find a way to wriggle out of this one think again.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Oct 20 8.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by sitdownstandup

People on social media posting how the leaders of the countries where they tried to downplay it the most - The Brazillian leader - Bolsanaro, Johnson and Trump are the ones who have all contracted it. Trump has downplayed it since it began, even did so during the presidential debate. If you think he and his supporters won't find a way to wriggle out of this one think again.

Downplay it enough? What as in destroy their economies over a virus that kills less then one percent. Every death is a tragedy but viruses are a part of human existence.

The world reaction is entirely due to the 'me' generation mindset where the individual feels more important than any form of collective.....When Aids turned up did they close singles and gay bars? No.

The world has gone nuts.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Oct 2020 8.41am)

 


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