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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Apr 17 6.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Really?....no one knows what our future is? We are leaving the EU...We still have a skills based economy heavy on financial services.

It's more about intent than the details.

Trump is certainly more pro British than Obama ever was...just as the right are in general more pro the nation state than the left.

The modern day left have done more for foreigners than the British working class.....It's mostly why they have abandoned the party.

Yes we are leaving the EU but that is it nobody knows what our future trading arrangements will be.

If it becomes known the USA and UK may both want a trade deal but that may be years ahead.

It is a surprise actually as the Germans were not in favour of TIPP viewing it as unworkable.

Left or right each Brit is as patriotic as he feels they all turned up in the war.

Donald Trump is not coming to Mrs May's rescue that doesn't mean he is not a friend.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Apr 17 6.36pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Trump won't betray Britain. It isn't in his dna. We will have a good deal with the US.

Many of the left with their anti-Americanism do nothing but harm this country. But they rarely give a damn about that because national pride is an illusion to them.

So all they want to do is tear it down for others
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Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2017 2.58pm)

And yet you have voted for something which is almost certainly going to make so many worse off through increased foodstuff costs and for a very likely economic downturn which, in turn, means less tax revenue for public services. And that will be the tip of the Brexit iceberg.

Thanks very much for your 'pride' and 'patriotism' from all those that will hit negatively by it. With friends like you and your ilk the UK doesn't need enemies.

And "Trump won't betray Britain" ?- Emotive claptrap from a sentimentalist. He will do what he thinks is in his and the US's best interests.

Notice i put 'his' first.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Apr 2017 6.47pm)

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Apr 17 6.52pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

And yet you have voted for something which is almost certainly going to make so many worse off through increased foodstuff costs and for a very likely economic downturn which, in turn, means less tax revenue for public services. And that will be the tip of the Brexit iceberg.

Thanks very much for your 'pride' and 'patriotism' from all those that will hit negatively by it. With friends like you and your ilk the UK doesn't need enemies.

And "Trump won't betray Britain" ?- Emotive claptrap from a sentimentalist. He will do what he thinks is in his and the US's best interests.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Apr 2017 6.46pm)

You put down emotive claptrap after writing emotive claptrap. Hilarious!

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Apr 17 7.10pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes we are leaving the EU but that is it nobody knows what our future trading arrangements will be.

If it becomes known the USA and UK may both want a trade deal but that may be years ahead.

It is a surprise actually as the Germans were not in favour of TIPP viewing it as unworkable.

Left or right each Brit is as patriotic as he feels they all turned up in the war.

Donald Trump is not coming to Mrs May's rescue that doesn't mean he is not a friend.

Individualists and egalitarians don't tend to be very good in wars.

There were very few people who could be described as being from the 'progressive' left back when this country fought a world war.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Apr 17 7.10pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

You put down emotive claptrap after writing emotive claptrap. Hilarious!

Yeah, kind of what I was thinking.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Apr 17 7.16pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

And yet you have voted for something which is almost certainly going to make so many worse off through increased foodstuff costs and for a very likely economic downturn which, in turn, means less tax revenue for public services. And that will be the tip of the Brexit iceberg.

Thanks very much for your 'pride' and 'patriotism' from all those that will hit negatively by it. With friends like you and your ilk the UK doesn't need enemies.

And "Trump won't betray Britain" ?- Emotive claptrap from a sentimentalist. He will do what he thinks is in his and the US's best interests.

Notice i put 'his' first.

Edited by Kermit8 (22 Apr 2017 6.47pm)

Yeah I did vote for British independence from the EU.

I value that notion more than just money. I hope and expect that we can do well....but I believe in the nation state.

Hell... you consider yourself Scottish.....Even though you won't sodding live there and as I remember you supported Scottish independence on these forums.....Well that's an outcome that would have almost certainly have resulted in Scotland being worse off. Yet you supported it.....Money didn't seem to matter so much then did it?

And then you have the cheek to type that up. At least I am consistent.

Hypocrite.

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 22 Apr 17 7.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah I did vote for British independence from the EU.

I value that notion more than just money. I hope and expect that we can do well....but I believe in the nation state.

Hell... you consider yourself Scottish.....Even though you won't sodding live there and as I remember you supported Scottish independence on these forums.....Well that's an outcome that would have almost certainly have resulted in Scotland being worse off. Yet you supported it.....Money didn't seem to matter so much then did it?

And then you have the cheek to type that up. At least I am consistent.

Hypocrite.

^ Anen, brother

 

Stirlingsays Flag 22 Apr 17 7.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes we are leaving the EU but that is it nobody knows what our future trading arrangements will be.

If it becomes known the USA and UK may both want a trade deal but that may be years ahead.

It is a surprise actually as the Germans were not in favour of TIPP viewing it as unworkable.

Left or right each Brit is as patriotic as he feels they all turned up in the war.

Donald Trump is not coming to Mrs May's rescue that doesn't mean he is not a friend.

I do agree that it's all to play for.

Also, I agree that Trump puts his own country's interests first....hell he should. However, it's obvious that all things being equal he has a preference for this country....Which is more than we can say for Obama.

Apparently his officials use to s****** at the term 'special relationship'. Well, we don't get that anymore.

I hope we get something done...In fact I'm sure we will have something sorted around 2020.

This is a trading nation with vast links both historical and commercial. Our reputation is better than most. So we are better placed than most.

Little of that is down to the left of course. The ideological left rarely push this country forward in terms of trade. Lots of them complain while asking those who do make money for tax handouts.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Apr 17 7.39pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

^ Anen, brother

Tips hat.

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 22 Apr 17 7.42pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

More good news...

Trump puts EU ahead of Britain in trade queue

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Not a single named source, not a single verifiable fact from the pro-EU Times

Let's ask assistant to Trump and director of the White House National Trade Council Peter Navarro shall we?

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"Good news". To you, and the anti-brexit press contingent you gorge yourself on, this is "good news" as anything that will disadvantage this country in the face of leaving a leeching, corrupt, power-grabbing political experiment is to be venerated and celebrated. You are pathetic, and yes, you now-minority remainiac rump are unpatriotic.

So, OK. Let's assume Mr "unnamed source conveniently dropping a politically inopportune bombshell on the first weekend press-cycle after a snap election was called based almost entirely on Brexit" is correct, and Paul Ryan and Peter Navarro are incorrect.

What changes? What is our current trading arrangement with the US? Exactly as it is when we leave. Nothing changes.

Next question:
What is the average bilateral trade agreement timescale for the US, as compared to multilateral with the EU?

Next question:
Is the largest economy in the world only capable of conducting trade negotiations with one entity at a time? How many trade negotiations is the US currently engaged in?

Pathetic, remainiacs. Just pathetic.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 22 Apr 17 8.04pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Are you suggesting the left are unpatriotic.

Lefty blog alert but don't shoot the messenger argue the message.

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Read it....Man oh man Nick you do read some very one eyed stuff.

Do you subscribe to anyone balanced in the middle at all?

I regard most of what he was saying as half truths. I've experienced enough left wing people in life to know exactly what the truth is in this regard.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Apr 17 8.13pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Not a single named source, not a single verifiable fact from the pro-EU Times

Let's ask assistant to Trump and director of the White House National Trade Council Peter Navarro shall we?

[Link]

"Good news". To you, and the anti-brexit press contingent you gorge yourself on, this is "good news" as anything that will disadvantage this country in the face of leaving a leeching, corrupt, power-grabbing political experiment is to be venerated and celebrated. You are pathetic, and yes, you now-minority remainiac rump are unpatriotic.

So, OK. Let's assume Mr "unnamed source conveniently dropping a politically inopportune bombshell on the first weekend press-cycle after a snap election was called based almost entirely on Brexit" is correct, and Paul Ryan and Peter Navarro are incorrect.

What changes? What is our current trading arrangement with the US? Exactly as it is when we leave. Nothing changes.

Next question:
What is the average bilateral trade agreement timescale for the US, as compared to multilateral with the EU?

Next question:
Is the largest economy in the world only capable of conducting trade negotiations with one entity at a time? How many trade negotiations is the US currently engaged in?

Pathetic, remainiacs. Just pathetic.

I do think this story is trite.

It may be that the President is inclined towards the EU as it is a power bloc and the UK is in a position umknown but he does not mean to slight us, its just his job.

We trade ok with them as you say why change it - a trade deal will really screw things up.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 9.10pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Read it....Man oh man Nick you do read some very one eyed stuff.

Do you subscribe to anyone balanced in the middle at all?

I regard most of what he was saying as half truths. I've experienced enough left wing people in life to know exactly what the truth is in this regard.

Are you saying I'm unpatriotic? What other posters do you think are unpatriotic because they have left wing views.

 

davenotamonkey Flag 22 Apr 17 9.41pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Are you saying I'm unpatriotic? What other posters do you think are unpatriotic because they have left wing views.

Anyone who delights in the prospect of our country failing or suffering, so that it vindicates their views, is unpatriotic in my view.

The glee with which you regurgitate any bilge suggesting the UK is on the wrong path puts you fairly high up the list. I'm all for reporting the downsides of a situation, incidentally, but you are a sucker for sensationalist news-lite.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 9.46pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Anyone who delights in the prospect of our country failing or suffering, so that it vindicates their views, is unpatriotic in my view.

The glee with which you regurgitate any bilge suggesting the UK is on the wrong path puts you fairly high up the list. I'm all for reporting the downsides of a situation, incidentally, but you are a sucker for sensationalist news-lite.

Dont get me wrong. I want it to go well. We're still in the realms of conjecture so everything is speculation still. But, and it is to my dismay, I'm not filled with much hope. I hope I'm proved wrong.

 

legaleagle Flag 22 Apr 17 9.52pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Are you saying I'm unpatriotic? What other posters do you think are unpatriotic because they have left wing views.

Hitler, Franco and Oswald Mosley would all have called you unpatriotic..which perhaps sums up the credibility to be given to such sentiments

Oswald Mosley:"If you love our country you are national, and if you love our people you are a socialist.".Take the two together and you are a...

Hitler: "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."...

 

elgrande Flag bedford 22 Apr 17 10.00pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Hitler, Franco and Oswald Mosley would all have called you unpatriotic..which perhaps sums up the credibility to be given to such sentiments

Oswald Mosley:"If you love our country you are national, and if you love our people you are a socialist.".Take the two together and you are a...

Hitler: "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."...

Wow just wow.

 


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legaleagle Flag 22 Apr 17 10.02pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Wow just wow.

That's a tad unpatriotic of you,sir

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Apr 17 10.07pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Anyone who delights in the prospect of our country failing or suffering, so that it vindicates their views, is unpatriotic in my view.

The glee with which you regurgitate any bilge suggesting the UK is on the wrong path puts you fairly high up the list. I'm all for reporting the downsides of a situation, incidentally, but you are a sucker for sensationalist news-lite.

But in your words leaving the EU is the best thing that has ever happened so the UK cannot be failing or suffering can it?

Unless you know that it is going to fail or suffer but you cannot bear to face reality.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Apr 17 10.38pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Hitler, Franco and Oswald Mosley would all have called you unpatriotic..which perhaps sums up the credibility to be given to such sentiments

Oswald Mosley:"If you love our country you are national, and if you love our people you are a socialist.".Take the two together and you are a...

Hitler: "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."...

I love my country so much that I keep voting for the party that is selling our country piece by piece to foreigners. It's taking back control. I won't moan about the amount of empty houses belonging to foreign billionaires because I vote for the people that allow it to happen.

 

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