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madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 10.53am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You complained about an insult.

Then used an insult.

Ah yes, an insult not directed at anyone.
But yes, the two insults are comparable (!)

Clutching at straws there

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Dec 20 10.53am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It’s a little bit stupid black people calling each other it anyway, especially when claiming unfairness and all. It’s more an American thing though. Aren’t they all? And therein lies a lot of problems. Copying the best or worst of America(ns).

It's not as bad as stabbing each other, then saying black lives matter. Oh,and how many rappers kill each other or encourage gang violence? Do Black Lives Matter to them? I guess football supporters booing is the real issue, clearly.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Dec 20 10.55am

Abhorrent, but not if you call yourselves it. Notice that unfortunately it’ll also be accompanied with ‘’bitches’’ snd ‘’hoes’’ so it isn’t just an innocent inclusive word for each other. It’s saying that using these offensive and belittling words are all okay and encouraging it more.

Thankfully it is isn’t a thing in Britain and ‘Bro’ is used instead. What Lionel Ritchie will get is that to move up the social scale then some things have to go, but there was probably some issues with LR being happy about making music appealing to white people when other black music stars drop the white pop songs as soon as they find they can dictate what they produce. The most obvious was Whitney Houston. Went from dance pop to using her gospel skills and soul as soon as she could.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Dec 20 10.58am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Ah yes, an insult not directed at anyone.
But yes, the two insults are comparable (!)

Clutching at straws there


How is the insult 'not directed at anyone'?

In fact, by suggesting the words can by used by certain races but not by others you are in fact supporting racism by imposing double standards dependent upon race.

It's just racism that you agree with.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 10.59am)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Dec 20 11.03am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

It's not as bad as stabbing each other, then saying black lives matter. Oh,and how many rappers kill each other or encourage gang violence? Do Black Lives Matter to them? I guess football supporters booing is the real issue, clearly.

Yeah I know. Everyone up in arms about millwall (ignoring the other 4 grounds), which didn’t happen with the anti racist message, when there’s multiple postcodes near the area out for each other without a second thought to multiple knife wounds or murder. But let’s talk about bending the knee rather than making the biggest improvement for young blacks outside of school. All been imported from America. Nobody and I mean nobody who’s in positions to solve it want to or are allowed to.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Dec 20 11.04am

Originally posted by fishbone

I didn’t say that BLM would make the world better I’m asking for the fans to stop being bystanders and speak out to those dick heads or be seen to report them so we can drive them out of football! By standing there and keeping your damn mouths shut you are allowing them to grow! Which makes you part of the problem as you make their behaviour acceptable!
Go with that !!!!

What you describe sounds like a Nazi Germany for snowflakes.
Reporting on people who don't live up to your standards? Come on
I agree that such anti social behaviour is undesirable but I also feel that these highly paid footballers ought to grow a pair and ignore ignorant idiots on the terrace.
Didn't you ever get called nasty names in the play ground? Did you call the police?

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 10 Dec 20 11.17am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

There's no good reason for anyone to use that word. I find it abhorant but, if you can't see the difference in impact of it being thrown around by black people, in the direction of no one, compared to being used by white people as a derogatory term towards black people, you're a moron.

So as long as it's used as an noun in a song its ok then. As I cannot see any other use of it.
That is what black people are then just nouns.
I hope you have issued your complaint to the bbc as any citizen finding it abhorrent would do, especially someone who the song is about.
Your words not mine.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Dec 20 11.19am

It normalises and encourages bad language and behaviour.

 


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madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 11.32am

Originally posted by cryrst

So as long as it's used as an noun in a song its ok then. As I cannot see any other use of it.
That is what black people are then just nouns.
I hope you have issued your complaint to the bbc as any citizen finding it abhorrent would do, especially someone who the song is about.
Your words not mine.

I have better things to do with my time than complain about music. And what song is about me? If there was a song on last night's show called "madcap_v2 of holmesdale.net", please direct me to it. I'd love to hear it. Quite an odd post tbh

You also, assume I was watching the MOBOs last night, when actually I only caught the tail end of it when my lady friend put it on, not really into the urban music scene as I used to be. Really can't stand this year's presenter "Chunkz" either.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Dec 20 11.36am


There was also the case of Kendrick Lamar a couple of years ago who invited a white fan onstage to sing with him then castigated her for singing the word which appeared several times in the lyrics.
Dick Gregory, among others, tried to reclaim this word in the 1960s. OK, job done - it’s decades since I heard anyone say it except comedians, actors or singers.

 

madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 11.36am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


How is the insult 'not directed at anyone'?

In fact, by suggesting the words can by used by certain races but not by others you are in fact supporting racism by imposing double standards dependent upon race.

It's just racism that you agree with.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 10.59am)

If you can't see the distinction between the two and how the meaning and intention of the word is different when it comes from a black person than from a non-black person, then yes, you are a moron. Don't be offended by that sweet'art.

But if you want to go around calling black people, racial slurs, go ahead. Just admit you're a racist.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Dec 20 11.39am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yeah I know. Everyone up in arms about millwall (ignoring the other 4 grounds), which didn’t happen with the anti racist message, when there’s multiple postcodes near the area out for each other without a second thought to multiple knife wounds or murder. But let’s talk about bending the knee rather than making the biggest improvement for young blacks outside of school. All been imported from America. Nobody and I mean nobody who’s in positions to solve it want to or are allowed to.

I totally agree Rudi, and being from South London and seeing it now, that's why I will not support BLM. It's the ultimate hypocrisy and it's letting black people down. I don't know the solution.
I come from one of the council estates and was always really poor, I played all day with black and white kids. I honestly never noticed colour. My mum had no issue with me being out morning til night. There was no danger. Fast forward thirty/forty years and look. Plenty of ground floors have f***ing bars on the windows. Everyone has a knife. What the hell happened? Who knows.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Dec 20 11.41am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


There was also the case of Kendrick Lamar a couple of years ago who invited a white fan onstage to sing with him then castigated her for singing the word which appeared several times in the lyrics.
Dick Gregory, among others, tried to reclaim this word in the 1960s. OK, job done - it’s decades since I heard anyone say it except comedians, actors or singers.

It's even cut out of the Dambusters and the dog's grave/memorial has been edited.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Dec 20 11.46am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

If you can't see the distinction between the two and how the meaning and intention of the word is different when it comes from a black person than from a non-black person, then yes, you are a moron. Don't be offended by that sweet'art.

But if you want to go around calling black people, racial slurs, go ahead. Just admit you're a racist.


I think, from what I've read from you that I'm probably less of a racist than you are.

As I say, you seem fine with the racism you agree with.

I'm quite happy for anyone to use words or not use them independent of their race. I recognise that an insult is an insult but also that words only have the power that individuals give them.

I don't operate double standards on that. What I will do is point out hypocrisy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.48am)

 


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madcap_v2 Flag SE25 / Ibiza 10 Dec 20 11.50am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I think, from what I've read from you that I'm probably less of a racist than you are.

As I say, you seem fine with the racism you agree with.

I'm quite happy for anyone to use words or not use them independent of their race. I recognise that an insult is an insult but also that words only have the power that individuals give them.

I don't operate double standards on that. What I will do is point out hypocrisy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2020 11.48am)

Outside of the football team we support, we don't agree on anything, and never will. And that suits me perfectly fine.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Dec 20 11.52am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Outside of the football team we support, we don't agree on anything, and never will. And that suits me perfectly fine.

I don't hold it against you.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Dec 20 11.53am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I totally agree Rudi, and being from South London and seeing it now, that's why I will not support BLM. It's the ultimate hypocrisy and it's letting black people down. I don't know the solution.
I come from one of the council estates and was always really poor, I played all day with black and white kids. I honestly never noticed colour. My mum had no issue with me being out morning til night. There was no danger. Fast forward thirty/forty years and look. Plenty of ground floors have f***ing bars on the windows. Everyone has a knife. What the hell happened? Who knows.

Agree. I used to look at some of the outbursts and aggression you’d see from young black men and think they were letting their side or their own down. I try to ignore it as much as possible now. I used to have a black teacher who used to bore us senseless about Martin Luther King. I ended up realising why. He was trying to continue the good work and progress. There’s been an amount of letting those civil rights protesters down too. They didn’t put themselves in the line of batons for what’s happened and I doubt they’d be too impressed with the lack of action on knife crime either.

There was a bbc documentary on about a month ago. They talked to various young black people about the riots. The one which would put the lid on BLM was about 6 people in a room advocating defunding the police. Yeah sure, a few might benefit from the extra funds for a while, but in the end it’ll end in ruin and ruin to their own areas and a return to gangsters in the mould of the Krays in other areas and probably professional security in the well heeled neighbourhoods. The poor always lose, that’s why there’s this public service thing.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 11.57am)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Dec 20 12.10pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

It's even cut out of the Dambusters and the dog's grave/memorial has been edited.

The ahem, N word was in common usage up until the 1960s at least. It was not used as an insult but just as a description of colour. It was regularly used for dog names and anything that was a certain shade of dark brown. Not directly related to slavery at all.

Now in the brave new world of immigration we have to shiver in our shoes at the thought of using it along with a whole host of other phrases and sayings and anything else that it is decided has suddenly become 'offensive'.
Now I get why certain words are offensive and I’m not in the habit of wishing to insult people but I'm personally sick and tired of being told what I can say and not say by woke, middle class snowflakes or anyone else who wishes to gain control of language for their own benefit. They have been on this planet no time, and they think they can dictate what is right and wrong.

I have a message for them and it's not PC.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 12.11pm)

 

Belmont Flag 10 Dec 20 12.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The ahem, N word was in common usage up until the 1960s at least. It was not used as an insult but just as a description of colour. It was regularly used for dog names and anything that was a certain shade of dark brown. Not directly related to slavery at all.

Now in the brave new world of immigration we have to shiver in our shoes at the thought of using it along with a whole host of other phrases and sayings and anything else that it is decided has suddenly become 'offensive'.
Now I get why certain words are offensive and I’m not in the habit of wishing to insult people but I'm personally sick and tired of being told what I can say and not say by woke, middle class snowflakes or anyone else who wishes to gain control of language for their own benefit. They have been on this planet no time, and they think they can dictate what is right and wrong.

I have a message for them and it's not PC.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Dec 2020 12.11pm)

Ha Ha really who told you that.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Dec 20 12.23pm

Originally posted by Belmont

Ha Ha really who told you that.

It’s true it was used as the name of a colour.

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