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Grumbles 28 Nov 21 6.56pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yep. At least Beckenham is pricey enough to keep this madness at a distance. At least in the middle of the street.

Grumbles 28 Nov 21 6.56pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yep. At least Beckenham is pricey enough to keep this madness at a distance.

At least in the middle of the street.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 28 Nov 21 6.58pm
Originally posted by Grumbles Well that's one step beyond. Night Boat To Dover COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 28 Nov 21 6.58pm

Originally posted by Grumbles

Well that's one step beyond.

Night Boat To Dover

COYP

Grumbles 28 Nov 21 7.12pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Night Boat To Dover Well the current Government's policy is an Embarrassment.

Grumbles 28 Nov 21 7.12pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Night Boat To Dover

Well the current Government's policy is an Embarrassment.

Orange1290 28 Nov 21 7.37pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I doubt net immigration into other European countries is higher by percentage of population. I expect some are close. The UK'S net immigration has been at record levels for years. Looking it up, the highest overall is Germany, next is UK. By percentage of population, Sweden is highest. UK is up there too. Doctored labels and figures abound but I suspect you trust the UN and Oxford University. Anybody with their eyes open can see the amount of immigration in the country. Lots of unqualified supposition like many post on here. I posted facts and figures which can be tough to swallow for those conned by certain political parties and aspects of the media. Edited by Orange1290 (28 Nov 2021 7.38pm) Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

28 Nov 21 7.37pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I doubt net immigration into other European countries is higher by percentage of population. I expect some are close. The UK'S net immigration has been at record levels for years. Looking it up, the highest overall is Germany, next is UK. By percentage of population, Sweden is highest. UK is up there too. Doctored labels and figures abound but I suspect you trust the UN and Oxford University. Anybody with their eyes open can see the amount of immigration in the country.

Lots of unqualified supposition like many post on here. I posted facts and figures which can be tough to swallow for those conned by certain political parties and aspects of the media.

Edited by Orange1290 (28 Nov 2021 7.38pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Nov 21 9.04pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Lots of unqualified supposition like many post on here. I posted facts and figures which can be tough to swallow for those conned by certain political parties and aspects of the media. Edited by Orange1290 (28 Nov 2021 7.38pm) Quibbling over details is so Leftist. The only facts you need to know is that the numbers will keep increasing and the sooner we stop all them the better. We either deal with it now with targeted measures, or we will be taking desperate measures later.

Hrolf The Ganger

28 Nov 21 9.04pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

Lots of unqualified supposition like many post on here. I posted facts and figures which can be tough to swallow for those conned by certain political parties and aspects of the media.

Edited by Orange1290 (28 Nov 2021 7.38pm)

Quibbling over details is so Leftist.

The only facts you need to know is that the numbers will keep increasing and the sooner we stop all them the better.

We either deal with it now with targeted measures, or we will be taking desperate measures later.

Orange1290 28 Nov 21 9.22pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Quibbling over details is so Leftist. The only facts you need to know is that the numbers will keep increasing and the sooner we stop all them the better. We either deal with it now with targeted measures, or we will be taking desperate measures later. More baseless rambling with no facts, simply a warped imagination and agenda. Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

28 Nov 21 9.22pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Quibbling over details is so Leftist.

The only facts you need to know is that the numbers will keep increasing and the sooner we stop all them the better.

We either deal with it now with targeted measures, or we will be taking desperate measures later.

More baseless rambling with no facts, simply a warped imagination and agenda.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Nov 21 10.15pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 More baseless rambling with no facts, simply a warped imagination and agenda. Just sit back and watch. You don't need to take my word for it. Trying to convince the closed minded is not my game. I just want to be a miniscule part of getting those with objectivity and skin in the game to persuade our politicians to protect our future generations from impending disaster.

Hrolf The Ganger

28 Nov 21 10.15pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

More baseless rambling with no facts, simply a warped imagination and agenda.

Just sit back and watch. You don't need to take my word for it.

Trying to convince the closed minded is not my game. I just want to be a miniscule part of getting those with objectivity and skin in the game to persuade our politicians to protect our future generations from impending disaster.

Teddy Eagle 28 Nov 21 11.25pm
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Teddy Eagle

28 Nov 21 11.25pm

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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Nov 21 8.21am
Originally posted by Orange1290 More baseless rambling with no facts, simply a warped imagination and agenda. oh yes. A photograph of 500 young men, of military age, on a ship. It's not fact. you believe the BBC footage ? when they visit a camp and focus on women & children ? especially the latter. i pity your naivety. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 29 Nov 21 8.21am

Originally posted by Orange1290

More baseless rambling with no facts, simply a warped imagination and agenda.

oh yes. A photograph of 500 young men, of military age, on a ship. It's not fact.

you believe the BBC footage ? when they visit a camp and focus on women & children ? especially the latter. i pity your naivety.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 21 9.28am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle [Link] This is the part everyone needs to know. "What came to be called the migrant crisis began around 2010, when people fleeing violence, poverty, and the effects of climate change in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa started flooding into Europe. The World Bank predicts that, in the next fifty years, droughts, crop failures, rising seas, and desertification will displace a hundred and fifty million more people, mostly from the Global South, accelerating migration to Europe and elsewhere. In 2015 alone, a million people came to Europe from the Middle East and Africa. A popular route went through Libya, then across the Mediterranean Sea to Italy—a distance of less than two hundred miles".

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Nov 21 9.28am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

[Link]

This is the part everyone needs to know.

"What came to be called the migrant crisis began around 2010, when people fleeing violence, poverty, and the effects of climate change in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa started flooding into Europe. The World Bank predicts that, in the next fifty years, droughts, crop failures, rising seas, and desertification will displace a hundred and fifty million more people, mostly from the Global South, accelerating migration to Europe and elsewhere. In 2015 alone, a million people came to Europe from the Middle East and Africa. A popular route went through Libya, then across the Mediterranean Sea to Italy—a distance of less than two hundred miles".

Orange1290 29 Nov 21 10.57am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is the part everyone needs to know. "What came to be called the migrant crisis began around 2010, when people fleeing violence, poverty, and the effects of climate change in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa started flooding into Europe. The World Bank predicts that, in the next fifty years, droughts, crop failures, rising seas, and desertification will displace a hundred and fifty million more people, mostly from the Global South, accelerating migration to Europe and elsewhere. In 2015 alone, a million people came to Europe from the Middle East and Africa. A popular route went through Libya, then across the Mediterranean Sea to Italy—a distance of less than two hundred miles". Yep and the UK needs to step up to its responsibilities and accept its fair share unlike today. Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

29 Nov 21 10.57am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is the part everyone needs to know.

Yep and the UK needs to step up to its responsibilities and accept its fair share unlike today.

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Spiderman Horsham 29 Nov 21 11.02am
Originally posted by Orange1290 Lots of unqualified supposition like many post on here. I posted facts and figures which can be tough to swallow for those conned by certain political parties and aspects of the media. Edited by Orange1290 (28 Nov 2021 7.38pm) Funny as I believe I am qualified on this subject but you state I am talking rubbish. Are you sure you are not being conned as well? You quote government figures, are they accurate or just what they want you to believe? Funny how you are happy to accept these figures but not much else. I will ask again are Portugal doing their bit? The table you posted suggests not Edited by Spiderman (29 Nov 2021 11.03am)

Spiderman

Horsham 29 Nov 21 11.02am

Originally posted by Orange1290

Lots of unqualified supposition like many post on here. I posted facts and figures which can be tough to swallow for those conned by certain political parties and aspects of the media.

Edited by Orange1290 (28 Nov 2021 7.38pm)

Funny as I believe I am qualified on this subject but you state I am talking rubbish. Are you sure you are not being conned as well? You quote government figures, are they accurate or just what they want you to believe? Funny how you are happy to accept these figures but not much else.
I will ask again are Portugal doing their bit? The table you posted suggests not

Edited by Spiderman (29 Nov 2021 11.03am)

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Nov 21 11.13am
Originally posted by Orange1290 Lots of unqualified supposition like many post on here. I posted facts and figures which can be tough to swallow for those conned by certain political parties and aspects of the media. Edited by Orange1290 (28 Nov 2021 7.38pm) No I looked it up, from Oxford Research figures and the UN. If they're unqualified then fair enough. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Nov 21 11.13am

Originally posted by Orange1290

Lots of unqualified supposition like many post on here. I posted facts and figures which can be tough to swallow for those conned by certain political parties and aspects of the media.

Edited by Orange1290 (28 Nov 2021 7.38pm)

No I looked it up, from Oxford Research figures and the UN. If they're unqualified then fair enough.

Red and Blue Army!

steeleye20 Croydon 29 Nov 21 11.22am
It is a rich irony, that the UK will have to agree with the EU, not just France, any future migration policy here. By invitation almost, the UK would be ceding actual control of its borders to the EU, after all the brexit duffers promised. EU migrant spotting planes in the Channel, Patel & Co are an incompetent blustering bunch of fools. And the UKs brexit looking risible from any point of view.

steeleye20

Croydon 29 Nov 21 11.22am

It is a rich irony, that the UK will have to agree with the EU, not just France, any future migration policy here.

By invitation almost, the UK would be ceding actual control of its borders to the EU, after all the brexit duffers promised.

EU migrant spotting planes in the Channel, Patel & Co are an incompetent blustering bunch of fools.

And the UKs brexit looking risible from any point of view.

Spiderman Horsham 29 Nov 21 11.35am
Originally posted by steeleye20 It is a rich irony, that the UK will have to agree with the EU, not just France, any future migration policy here. By invitation almost, the UK would be ceding actual control of its borders to the EU, after all the brexit duffers promised. EU migrant spotting planes in the Channel, Patel & Co are an incompetent blustering bunch of fools. And the UKs brexit looking risible from any point of view. The French weren’t taking them back pre-Brexit... fact where was the EU Cooperation then?

Spiderman

Horsham 29 Nov 21 11.35am

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is a rich irony, that the UK will have to agree with the EU, not just France, any future migration policy here.

By invitation almost, the UK would be ceding actual control of its borders to the EU, after all the brexit duffers promised.

EU migrant spotting planes in the Channel, Patel & Co are an incompetent blustering bunch of fools.

And the UKs brexit looking risible from any point of view.

The French weren’t taking them back pre-Brexit... fact where was the EU Cooperation then?

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Nov 21 11.43am
When the refugees are in France, boarding boats, how is that Britain's problem? Some common sense required here, which the spiteful little French don't have. Obviously France doesn't want any more immigrants. Is it Britain's responsibility when I travel from Ireland because I want to go there? Perhaps just ask everyone in Africa, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey where they would like to go and give them the keys? I quite fancy Canada actually. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Nov 21 11.43am

When the refugees are in France, boarding boats, how is that Britain's problem? Some common sense required here, which the spiteful little French don't have. Obviously France doesn't want any more immigrants. Is it Britain's responsibility when I travel from Ireland because I want to go there? Perhaps just ask everyone in Africa, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey where they would like to go and give them the keys? I quite fancy Canada actually.

Red and Blue Army!

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 21 1.16pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Yep and the UK needs to step up to its responsibilities and accept its fair share unlike today. No it doesn't. No country in Europe is obliged to do anything except protect its own people. There comes a point where humanitarian considerations are replaced by self preservation. We are nearly there.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Nov 21 1.16pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

Yep and the UK needs to step up to its responsibilities and accept its fair share unlike today.

No it doesn't.

No country in Europe is obliged to do anything except protect its own people.
There comes a point where humanitarian considerations are replaced by self preservation. We are nearly there.

Orange1290 29 Nov 21 1.29pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No it doesn't. No country in Europe is obliged to do anything except protect its own people. There comes a point where humanitarian considerations are replaced by self preservation. We are nearly there. Yes, many other European countries are 'nearly there' but the UK hasn't been pulling its weight at all and the numbers clearly show that fact. Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

29 Nov 21 1.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No it doesn't.

No country in Europe is obliged to do anything except protect its own people.
There comes a point where humanitarian considerations are replaced by self preservation. We are nearly there.

Yes, many other European countries are 'nearly there' but the UK hasn't been pulling its weight at all and the numbers clearly show that fact.

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Teddy Eagle 29 Nov 21 1.31pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Yes, many other European countries are 'nearly there' but the UK hasn't been pulling its weight at all and the numbers clearly show that fact. What happens when they get “there”?

Teddy Eagle

29 Nov 21 1.31pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

Yes, many other European countries are 'nearly there' but the UK hasn't been pulling its weight at all and the numbers clearly show that fact.

What happens when they get “there”?

steeleye20 Croydon 29 Nov 21 1.43pm
It is looking like the migrants may have called for help before drowning and were refused by both countries. That would surely be against maritime law as well as appalling and unconscionable.

steeleye20

Croydon 29 Nov 21 1.43pm

It is looking like the migrants may have called for help before drowning and were refused by both countries.

That would surely be against maritime law as well as appalling and unconscionable.

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