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 Stirlingsays  02 Dec 17 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Flynn - as a private citizen - spoke to the Russian ambassador 5 times on the day Obama - the President who is constitutionally in charge of US foreign policy - imposed sanctions on Russia. Flynn was negotiating with Russia over the Trump administration’s future treatment of this - which we know because the conversations were intercepted and recorded. Flynn has said that he did this having been instructed to do so by a senior campaign official (who was at Mar-a-Lago with Trump at the time of the call). This is all very illegal, completely unethical and totally without precedent. So you can take your both sides bulls*** and shove it. I realise that even having the slightest interest in balance over Trump makes a person a 'Trump apologist' to you. It's less pro Trump (excepting a few areas) than anti progressive. Flynn obviously had contacts with the Russians.....What Flynn did has been done through the ages....so your appeals to exceptionalism is as weak as your oft repeated irrationality on this getting rid of Trump. I regard you and those like you just like I regarded the tea party before you....and how I regarded the pathetic attempts to get rid of Clinton over frigging blow jobs. As for you speaking of ethics.....well, knowing what you support I'll take a pass on that.....You'd take anything to get rid of Trump and I doubt the ethics of it wouldn't bother you in the slightest.
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| wordup 02 Dec 17 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What Trump has or hasn't done would be no worse than Clinton herself on any foreign matter and has no real affect on anything.....Connections between possible incoming administrations and important governments goes on whatever the rules are...bag of old s***e....Of course Russia try to meddle in our politics just like we support democracy movements there...it's the reds under the beds but this time from Democrats who will use any old ruse that suits them. All they care about is getting rid of Trump and they are prepared to misdirect his time on governance obsessing on this years old hyperbolic crap. No better than the tea party before them.....but they so think they are. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2017 5.42pm) Nice of Mueller to share the entirety of his investigation with you before anyone else. At the end of the day the legal process will reach its conclusions based on real world facts and a jury, not your feelings. Edited by wordup (02 Dec 2017 6.43pm)
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Ray in Houston  Houston 02 Dec 17 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I realise that even having the slightest interest in balance over Trump makes a person a 'Trump apologist' to you. It's less pro Trump (excepting a few areas) than anti progressive. Flynn obviously had contacts with the Russians.....What Flynn did has been done through the ages....so your appeals to exceptionalism is as weak as your oft repeated irrationality on this getting rid of Trump. I regard you and those like you just like I regarded the tea party before you....and how I regarded the pathetic attempts to get rid of Clinton over frigging blow jobs. As for you speaking of ethics.....well, knowing what you support I'll take a pass on that.....You'd take anything to get rid of Trump and I doubt the ethics of it wouldn't bother you in the slightest.
Please show me the other occasions when other transition teams have done what Flynn did? In isolation, it’s very serious. As is his violation of FARA, for which he received a pass in return for his cooperation. Add this all up, and it’s a very disturbing pattern of illegal behavior. Mueller is accelerating now. It won’t be long before you’ll have a giant heaping of crow to eat. And I don’t have to worry about getting rid of Trump. Congressional Republicans will start on that just as soon as he’s signed the tax bill and ended his usefulness to them.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 17 9.57pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Thatcher - Intelligent ultra-right winger Hitler - intelligent extreme right-winger (albeit evil monstrous cancer of a human being) Trump - fvcking stupid insipid and ignorant far-right winger
Why do you call Hitler right wing? He's a kind of authoritarian mish mash.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 17 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Please show me the other occasions when other transition teams have done what Flynn did? In isolation, it’s very serious. As is his violation of FARA, for which he received a pass in return for his cooperation. Add this all up, and it’s a very disturbing pattern of illegal behavior. Mueller is accelerating now. It won’t be long before you’ll have a giant heaping of crow to eat. And I don’t have to worry about getting rid of Trump. Congressional Republicans will start on that just as soon as he’s signed the tax bill and ended his usefulness to them. I'm going to enjoy the conclusion of this thing on here.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 17 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Thatcher - Intelligent ultra-right winger Hitler - intelligent extreme right-winger (albeit evil monstrous cancer of a human being) Trump - fvcking stupid insipid and ignorant far-right winger
Intelligence, which is mainly set, isn't something an individual can do much about. Calling them stupid...as an insult...not as in...that behaviour is stupid...that's little different to calling a black person something negative for being black. That's the reality.....now don't get me wrong....I have no issues with you calling people pretty much what you like...You shouldn't have to be fair or be punished for it.....but as progressives hold themselves in such high regard in how they treat others with genetically set metrics.... this is either just a hypocrisy that many progressives do...or an ignorance they have depending upon their level of knowledge. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2017 10.25pm)
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Kermit8  Hevon 02 Dec 17 11.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Intelligence, which is mainly set, isn't something an individual can do much about. Calling them stupid...as an insult...not as in...that behaviour is stupid...that's little different to calling a black person something negative for being black. That's the reality.....now don't get me wrong....I have no issues with you calling people pretty much what you like...You shouldn't have to be fair or be punished for it.....but as progressives hold themselves in such high regard in how they treat others with genetically set metrics.... this is either just a hypocrisy that many progressives do...or an ignorance they have depending upon their level of knowledge. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2017 10.25pm) Well I for one have absolutely no idea what you are on about. Do you?
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| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 17 11.19pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well I for one have absolutely no idea what you are on about. Do you? And you have a go at Trump for being stupid? I wrote clearly enough. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2017 11.20pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 02 Dec 17 11.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
And you have a go at Trump for being stupid? I wrote clearly enough. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2017 11.20pm) I do analytical clarity not diversionary warped logic so if you could translate your post into something mere mortals could understand I would be most grateful. Ta.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Dec 17 12.02am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I do analytical clarity not diversionary warped logic so if you could translate your post into something mere mortals could understand I would be most grateful. Ta. Intelligence is fixed I think. Is that what is being driven at?
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| Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 03 Dec 17 12.11am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Intelligence is fixed I think. Is that what is being driven at? That's what I thought Stirling meant. Intelligence isn't a barometer to being clever though. You often here of pretty smart people being conned out of their life savings that when it makes the news you wonder how someone could be so dim. Some qualifications & Diplomas are mainly bulls*** as well especially those that are of the the so called liberal arts, media studies etc. You often here of poorly educated people rising to the top of their respective businesses by being savvy & street smart.
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| wordup 03 Dec 17 2.17am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well I for one have absolutely no idea what you are on about. Do you? It's a pedantic 'equality' point which makes an unnecessary attempt of stating that since you are a progressive lefty and dare to call Trump 'stupid' it's basically akin to using the n word against a black person because both aspects are 'mainly set'. Trump's stupidity is willful ignorance. And by the way, people have a responsibility to treat people of all colours and creeds with decency and dignity no matter whether they are 'progressive' or not. Trump fails to do that and he does act in ways that are 'stupid'. He's the president of the United States. It's a position that involves making very serious decisions that impact the lives of millions of people, so it shouldn't be taboo to have concerns of whether he's mentally capable of performing that job. Edited by wordup (03 Dec 2017 3.08am)
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| wordup 03 Dec 17 2.22am |
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Originally posted by wordup
It was very nice of Trump to today alert us on twitter that he let Flynn go because he lied to the FBI. He appears to forgotten that at the time he fired the head of the FBI for failing to drop the investigation into Flynn and not letting the Russia issue go. Give this man enough rope... Obstruction of justice is a fun hobby, but he should probably stick to golf. Comedy hour continues. Trump has apparently been told that this amounts to 'obstruction of justice' and so the message is now being put out by the White House that this particular tweet was in fact crafted by his lawyer. Let's hope that he isn't required to confirm that under oath at some point. Sad.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Dec 17 4.36am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Intelligence is fixed I think. Is that what is being driven at? Intelligence isn't the easiest to define and is spread over multiple cognitive abilities but essentially it's mostly 'fixed' in the same way lots of what we are is 'fixed'. That's not to say that learning and education are pointless as the brain operates much like a muscle as in as regular work allows it to reach its potential. Few people reach their cognitive potentials much in the same way few people reach their maximum sprint speeds. So in the same way that if you decided to dedicate yourself to maximizing your sprint speed you could improve upon your current best but still be limited by your genes.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Dec 17 5.33am |
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Originally posted by wordup
It's a pedantic 'equality' point which makes an unnecessary attempt of stating that since you are a progressive lefty and dare to call Trump 'stupid' it's basically akin to using the n word against a black person because both aspects are 'mainly set'. Trump's stupidity is willful ignorance. And by the way, people have a responsibility to treat people of all colours and creeds with decency and dignity no matter whether they are 'progressive' or not. Trump fails to do that and he does act in ways that are 'stupid'. He's the president of the United States. It's a position that involves making very serious decisions that impact the lives of millions of people, so it shouldn't be taboo to have concerns of whether he's mentally capable of performing that job. Edited by wordup (03 Dec 2017 3.08am) Well, it's a criticism on hypocrisy or ignorance within the philosophy of progressivism as I see it. Essentially value judgements on someone's intelligence are as misplaced as value judgements on many genetically set aspects of an individual. I'm criticising as an opponent of progressivism...and holding it to its own standards. Kermit probably thinks I was just getting at him and so hides in possible mock ignorance but in actuality I'm more making the wider point. As to your point on how we should treat others. I agree up to a point. Civility is a social construct that allows society to operate much more smoothly than its alternatives.....diplomacy is a better social skill than rudeness for an obvious example. However, it is very important for a free society that the differences between individuals are allowed full expression. Mockery, sarcasm, humour, rudeness and insult are all apart of that contexual freedom. So Kermit...in my estimation can call anyone what he likes and thusly I can call him ignorant or a hypocrite for doing so. Interestingly you make a lot of value judgements about the presidentual position. Now, I'd agree with most of those. However, it's plain to see that Trump is capable of carrying out most of his actual duties as POTUS and that this criticism is much more a reaction to the way he does it rather than his capacity. People get what they vote for, that's a very important principle and not everyone cares enough for 'what is proper behaviour' to vote for one undesirable over another.
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| Rubin 03 Dec 17 7.32am |
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A good video to watch on the retweet subject: I'd be interested in a rebuttal from Kermit or wordup etc.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 03 Dec 17 9.09am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, it's a criticism on hypocrisy or ignorance within the philosophy of progressivism as I see it. Essentially value judgements on someone's intelligence are as misplaced as value judgements on many genetically set aspects of an individual. I'm criticising as an opponent of progressivism...and holding it to its own standards. Kermit probably thinks I was just getting at him and so hides in possible mock ignorance but in actuality I'm more making the wider point. As to your point on how we should treat others. I agree up to a point. Civility is a social construct that allows society to operate much more smoothly than its alternatives.....diplomacy is a better social skill than rudeness for an obvious example. However, it is very important for a free society that the differences between individuals are allowed full expression. Mockery, sarcasm, humour, rudeness and insult are all apart of that contexual freedom. So Kermit...in my estimation can call anyone what he likes and thusly I can call him ignorant or a hypocrite for doing so. Interestingly you make a lot of value judgements about the presidentual position. Now, I'd agree with most of those. However, it's plain to see that Trump is capable of carrying out most of his actual duties as POTUS and that this criticism is much more a reaction to the way he does it rather than his capacity. People get what they vote for, that's a very important principle and not everyone cares enough for 'what is proper behaviour' to vote for one undesirable over another.
It's no different to one team getting 200 points on University Challenge and the other team getting 40 - both Cambridge Colleges - and saying the latter, in this context, are not as clever as the former. It's palpably true. Trump is a thicko compared to the cerebral standards of the usual Western world leader. That is also clearly true. However, he might be very intelligent within other areas. One more thing - if anyone is not as ultra- right wing as you it doesn't mean by default they are your 'progressive enemy' . Well that is unless you would like a fascistic totalitarian undemocratic regime running the country. Real Hypocrisy to me, not your made up sort, is Islamic reformists talking the talk but refusing to condemn UK relations with, and indeed pandering to, Saudi Arabia. The biggest exporters of ultra-conservative fundamentalism from which the extremist killer sects branch out. You know being able to say something more than 'Saudi is a problem' in a Trumpesque manner.
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