Issue with calling this election one way or the other is that since 2015 nothing has gone the way it has meant to.

We were meant to vote Remain. We did not.
We were meant to give May a massive majority. We did not.

Perhaps the only political event that has gone according to conventional wisdom was the Euro elections with the Brexit Party absolutely storming it just as UKIP did in the one before that.

Parliament has been insane with a Speaker tearing up hundreds of years of convention to deliberately undermine a sitting Government, ditto with the Courts and then an Opposition failing, not once but 3 times, to actually back an election.

The entire period has been utter political pandemonium.

I predicted that Johnson will win this GE with a 30-40 seat majority but the truth is that is more a hunch than anything else and certainly not qualifiable but I simply cannot see how Labour gain a single seat and will lose a slew more. They did fantastically well back in 2017 on a manifesto promise to honour the 2016 vote and yet have not only gone back on that but are promising to put us all through another 6 months of hell with this second referendum nonsense. Which achieves nothing because Brexit does not go away on the back of it. I feel they would have been better off going full-on Remain because at least then there is a sense of it all being over even if it would not be but at least it is a clear option.

Throw in the fact that whatever you think of Johnson (and I cannot dispute any of the negatives the lefties like to list) the man does have a charisma about him. He is not May, who had the personal charm of chlamydia and has beaten Lefties before. Not once but twice and in London. That cannot be ignored, no matter how much people want to dismiss it.

All I see is a nation that wants Brexit over and the Tories offer the single best chance of that happening. I just cannot see them losing, especially when you break down the results of both the referendum and the Euro elections on a constituency basis. All of which makes Labours Brexit position of a second referendum even more incredulous.

There are no votes in it.

But who knows in this modern political age? I am willing to concede that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

A pointless discussion which 'Bill' should not have started.

Why you are trying to score points off of it, heaven knows.

Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right?

We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what.

Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done.

This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues.

Actually the Sun was always a Tory rag. Tony Blair spent a lot of time smoozing Murdoch and was very happy when he switched to supporting New Labour. I guess the Sun has gone back to its natural roots.

Daily Mirror has never changed solid Labour all the way.

Why did the Sun change, self interest Murdoch could see that Blair was going to win and he always wants to be on the winning side.

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We need to vote this council out.
They want to build 40.000 homes in croydon!!!

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I did say they weren't always successful

Judge.
Have you considered that we are being forced to live longer so being more of a burden on the services and the state.
There is an obvious link between health and pension age extension.
The same link between us living longer and NHS usage.
Also all these billionaires and the top 1% actually
Pay 25% of tax take.
Irrelevant what % of what they earn is payed it is still an absolute huge amount.
If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners.
That will be from around 75k upwards.
When the very highest earners give it the middle finger labour will slowly scratch another 1% down then another 1% down.
Before long 40k will have a tax increase.
Then pensions then home owners.
Socialism wants equality.
The only people who will be unaffected are the feckless and work shy.

There is also a link between the ages of starting work - my day used to be 15/16, now minimum 18 and if you go to uni 21/22 so later starting to pay tax/NIC

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Well said Becky, start work at 15 retire at 65 and die at 70, that was how the state pension was planned. Today people live longer and in retirement are entitled to benefits in addition to the state pension.

In short we are all costing the taxpayer more money. As Tux is fond of saying it's a Ponzi scheme.

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