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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 15 6.29pm |
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Quote ASCPFC at 16 Sep 2015 6.22pm
Cameron's point scoring and constant emphasis on the economy may become a little tiring and the Tories may have to rethink their leadership soon enough. May make Corbyn seem like a political genius and genuine reformer whilst revealing the Tories as the 'crab people' they really are.
What a lot of hogwash.
I thought this was a serious debate.
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-TUX-  Alphabettispaghetti 16 Sep 15 6.46pm |
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 6.28pm
Quote -TUX- at 16 Sep 2015 6.17pm
I kinda figured, what with you being such an avid campaigner and all that, you'd welcome the views of the electorate being aired.
I've not complained about the views of the electorate being aired.But 6 questions hardly reflect the public mood !
I would far rather Paxman ask the PM and really 'grill' him on his answers.Not "Comrade Corbyn" with his form of extreme socialism who just asks questions and never "drills down" into the reply.All very bland and soporific.
Obviously they do to many.
You look forward to PMQ's purely for the 'theatrical element'.
Go watch a play.
Time to move forward together.
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| OldFella London 16 Sep 15 6.51pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 16 Sep 2015 5.55pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 5.43pm
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 5.14pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 16 Sep 2015 5.04pm
I think you have to say that Corbyn came over far better today than Milliband ever did.
Corbyn never came back with anything after Cameron provided answers.It wasn't a "Yah Boo" cut and thrust session.
Let's get back to the "Punch and Judy" show instead of a bland question and answer session !
Cameron was lured into the "New Way" - he should ignore what Corbyn wants as it plays into Corbyn's hands.
Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2015 5.16pm)
Where have you been Willo these last few years? The political malaise is almost entirely down to the type of antics you promote. People were sick to death of it.
I really don't agree that cut and thrust sessions between political leaders is responsible for any political malaise.Think the issues are far more complex and run deeper than that.
Today's PMQs was bland and boring and the 'House' was as dead as a mortuary.Hopefully this won't last.
You see it as 'cut and thrust' as if some great intellectual challenge was apparent but those days are long gone. 'Playground verbals' would be more apt. At least since the nineties and the dawn of over the top spin and image conscious politicians.
I like to see Prime Minister's challenged on their answers and this brings about a "Cut and thrust". All Corbyn did was ask questions and meekly accept what Cameron had to say.He came back with nothing.It was the interaction between the party leaders which really made PMQs. It was not what you call "Playground verbals" but lively debate.
Maybe PMQ's should be a list of questions given to the PM on a sheet of paper and he runs down them providing answers !!!! Or maybe he should sit in a "Mastermind" chair and a quiz master appointed to ask questions !
Totally agree that the lack of follow up questions meant DC had a reasonably easy time. PMQ should be a time for really challenging the PM.
The earth just moved. A sensible comment from NG.
Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Sep 15 6.59pm |
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Quote OldFella at 16 Sep 2015 6.51pm
Quote nickgusset at 16 Sep 2015 5.55pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 5.43pm
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 5.27pm
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 5.14pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 16 Sep 2015 5.04pm
I think you have to say that Corbyn came over far better today than Milliband ever did.
Corbyn never came back with anything after Cameron provided answers.It wasn't a "Yah Boo" cut and thrust session.
Let's get back to the "Punch and Judy" show instead of a bland question and answer session !
Cameron was lured into the "New Way" - he should ignore what Corbyn wants as it plays into Corbyn's hands.
Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2015 5.16pm)
Where have you been Willo these last few years? The political malaise is almost entirely down to the type of antics you promote. People were sick to death of it.
I really don't agree that cut and thrust sessions between political leaders is responsible for any political malaise.Think the issues are far more complex and run deeper than that.
Today's PMQs was bland and boring and the 'House' was as dead as a mortuary.Hopefully this won't last.
You see it as 'cut and thrust' as if some great intellectual challenge was apparent but those days are long gone. 'Playground verbals' would be more apt. At least since the nineties and the dawn of over the top spin and image conscious politicians.
I like to see Prime Minister's challenged on their answers and this brings about a "Cut and thrust". All Corbyn did was ask questions and meekly accept what Cameron had to say.He came back with nothing.It was the interaction between the party leaders which really made PMQs. It was not what you call "Playground verbals" but lively debate.
Maybe PMQ's should be a list of questions given to the PM on a sheet of paper and he runs down them providing answers !!!! Or maybe he should sit in a "Mastermind" chair and a quiz master appointed to ask questions !
Totally agree that the lack of follow up questions meant DC had a reasonably easy time. PMQ should be a time for really challenging the PM.
The earth just moved. A sensible comment from NG.
Stalking again. How sad.
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| OldFella London 16 Sep 15 7.06pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 16 Sep 2015 6.59pm
Quote OldFella at 16 Sep 2015 6.51pm
Quote nickgusset at 16 Sep 2015 5.55pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 5.43pm
Quote Kermit8 at 16 Sep 2015 5.31pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 5.27pm
Quote Kermit8 at 16 Sep 2015 5.22pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 5.14pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 16 Sep 2015 5.04pm
I think you have to say that Corbyn came over far better today than Milliband ever did.
Corbyn never came back with anything after Cameron provided answers.It wasn't a "Yah Boo" cut and thrust session.
Let's get back to the "Punch and Judy" show instead of a bland question and answer session !
Cameron was lured into the "New Way" - he should ignore what Corbyn wants as it plays into Corbyn's hands.
Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2015 5.16pm)
Where have you been Willo these last few years? The political malaise is almost entirely down to the type of antics you promote. People were sick to death of it.
I really don't agree that cut and thrust sessions between political leaders is responsible for any political malaise.Think the issues are far more complex and run deeper than that.
Today's PMQs was bland and boring and the 'House' was as dead as a mortuary.Hopefully this won't last.
You see it as 'cut and thrust' as if some great intellectual challenge was apparent but those days are long gone. 'Playground verbals' would be more apt. At least since the nineties and the dawn of over the top spin and image conscious politicians.
I like to see Prime Minister's challenged on their answers and this brings about a "Cut and thrust". All Corbyn did was ask questions and meekly accept what Cameron had to say.He came back with nothing.It was the interaction between the party leaders which really made PMQs. It was not what you call "Playground verbals" but lively debate.
Maybe PMQ's should be a list of questions given to the PM on a sheet of paper and he runs down them providing answers !!!! Or maybe he should sit in a "Mastermind" chair and a quiz master appointed to ask questions !
Totally agree that the lack of follow up questions meant DC had a reasonably easy time. PMQ should be a time for really challenging the PM.
The earth just moved. A sensible comment from NG.
Stalking again. How sad.
For sure. I have had many thousands of letters from all over the country asking me to put questions to any lefties I know, and thought in the new spirit of open democracy introduced by Comrade Corbyn that the HOL would be as good a place as any to start 
Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 15 7.11pm |
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Quote -TUX- at 16 Sep 2015 6.46pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 6.28pm
Quote -TUX- at 16 Sep 2015 6.17pm
I kinda figured, what with you being such an avid campaigner and all that, you'd welcome the views of the electorate being aired.
I've not complained about the views of the electorate being aired.But 6 questions hardly reflect the public mood !
I would far rather Paxman ask the PM and really 'grill' him on his answers.Not "Comrade Corbyn" with his form of extreme socialism who just asks questions and never "drills down" into the reply.All very bland and soporific.
Obviously they do to many.
You look forward to PMQ's purely for the 'theatrical element'.
Go watch a play.
No, I look forward to PMQs for the cut and thrust of lively debate triggered by questions to the PM.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 16 Sep 15 7.16pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 16 Sep 2015 5.20pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 16 Sep 2015 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Sep 2015 3.21pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 16 Sep 2015 2.35pm
I see some of the usual left wing chaps on here already in the denial stage.
Looking forward to anger and bargaining.
Corbyn can ask all he likes at question time but his face doesn't fit the 21st century. Sorry to be so cynical and broad stroke about it but that is the reality.
Doesn't matter really if his 'face fits' or not, or if people who'd never vote for him don't like him, the reason he is there is on the basis of a democratic mandate of the Labour party, by an approved process.
What disturbs me most are 'Labour Party Parliamentary members' who seem to think they're more important than the people who vote for them. It won't be Corbyn that sinks the party, it'll be members of the party throwing hissy fits because their own membership voted for someone they didn't want.
It'll like be the who 'Euro' schism of the Tory party that f**ked their own party in the 90s and early 21st century.
Nail on head.
However, I do actually believe that his face does matter. People who vote for personality and floating voters in general will not vote for this man. If Milliband was a liability for Labour then Corbyn will be like the Anti Christ.
I disagree. Miliband was pretty much a not to be taken seriously leader from the off and it got worse when the image conscious PR advisers got to him and failed miserably.
Corbyn operates on a different and higher, albeit more left wijavascript tylebut(0);ng, level. He will, i think, command a slightly begrudging respect from elements in all the parties and some of their voters. Something Ed was not able to achieve even from just within his own.
Perhaps, but the electorate will not vote for it.
I admired Tony Benn but I would never vote for him or Robin Cook or Michael Foot or any other left wing idealistic politician.
You will see.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Sep 2015 7.21pm)
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| kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 16 Sep 15 7.17pm |
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Corbyn reminds me of a harmless old metal work teacher I used to suffer the odd hours tedium with at school.
thick gruby cord strides.
would moan a lot about nothing to do with what he was meant to be on about, then tell you to get on with it and sit down & piss himself(slightly)
Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 16 Sep 15 8.08pm |
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I'm not known for my New Left sympathies. But the criticism of Corbyn seems to be akin to the anti-Farage nonsense. Who cares if he did not sing a song. Prime Minister's Question Time was far better than usual with policies and their results being calmly discussed.
Corbyn is far more Old Labour than New Left/Lib, which is good. His focus on trade union rights and working people is to be welcomed. If only he would drop his New Left stances on Irish and Palestinian terrorism and be sensible about immigration and benefits, he would be a candidate for my vote. If he does come out against the EU, he will definitely get my vote.
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| -TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 16 Sep 15 8.13pm |
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 7.11pm
Quote -TUX- at 16 Sep 2015 6.46pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 6.28pm
Quote -TUX- at 16 Sep 2015 6.17pm
I kinda figured, what with you being such an avid campaigner and all that, you'd welcome the views of the electorate being aired.
I've not complained about the views of the electorate being aired.But 6 questions hardly reflect the public mood !
I would far rather Paxman ask the PM and really 'grill' him on his answers.Not "Comrade Corbyn" with his form of extreme socialism who just asks questions and never "drills down" into the reply.All very bland and soporific.
Obviously they do to many.
You look forward to PMQ's purely for the 'theatrical element'.
Go watch a play.
No, I look forward to PMQs for the cut and thrust of lively debate triggered by questions to the PM.
The cut and thrust of lively debate?
Most would call it 'taking the p-iss' (hardly a debate) in the pub. The difference is that those in the pub aren't paid to be there and the beer is a helluva lot dearer than the House of Commons..........funny that
Time to move forward together.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 15 8.33pm |
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Quote -TUX- at 16 Sep 2015 8.13pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 7.11pm
Quote -TUX- at 16 Sep 2015 6.46pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 6.28pm
Quote -TUX- at 16 Sep 2015 6.17pm
I kinda figured, what with you being such an avid campaigner and all that, you'd welcome the views of the electorate being aired.
I've not complained about the views of the electorate being aired.But 6 questions hardly reflect the public mood !
I would far rather Paxman ask the PM and really 'grill' him on his answers.Not "Comrade Corbyn" with his form of extreme socialism who just asks questions and never "drills down" into the reply.All very bland and soporific.
Obviously they do to many.
You look forward to PMQ's purely for the 'theatrical element'.
Go watch a play.
No, I look forward to PMQs for the cut and thrust of lively debate triggered by questions to the PM.
The cut and thrust of lively debate?
Most would call it 'taking the p-iss' (hardly a debate) in the pub. The difference is that those in the pub aren't paid to be there and the beer is a helluva lot dearer than the House of Commons..........funny that
We are totally on the opposite sides of the "House" on this one with NO chance of there ever being a defection !
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 15 8.37pm |
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Quote leggedstruggle at 16 Sep 2015 8.08pm
Corbyn is far more Old Labour than New Left/Lib, which is good. His focus on trade union rights and working people is to be welcomed. If only he would drop his New Left stances on Irish and Palestinian terrorism and be sensible about immigration and benefits, he would be a candidate for my vote. If he does come out against the EU, he will definitely get my vote.
"Comrade Corbyn" embodies a form of extreme Socialism so old that people seem to have forgotten how dangerous it can be. The hard-left policies of envy and social division involving high taxation of the middle classes, ruinous public spending, reckless borrowing and kow-towing to trade union power etc etc etc. What a great leap backwards for 'Labour'.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Sep 15 8.54pm |
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 8.37pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 16 Sep 2015 8.08pm
Corbyn is far more Old Labour than New Left/Lib, which is good. His focus on trade union rights and working people is to be welcomed. If only he would drop his New Left stances on Irish and Palestinian terrorism and be sensible about immigration and benefits, he would be a candidate for my vote. If he does come out against the EU, he will definitely get my vote.
"Comrade Corbyn" embodies a form of extreme Socialism so old that people seem to have forgotten how dangerous it can be. The hard-left policies of envy and social division involving high taxation of the middle classes, ruinous public spending, reckless borrowing and kow-towing to trade union power etc etc etc. What a great leap backwards for 'Labour'.
Nothing of substance in that response willo.
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| -TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 16 Sep 15 9.03pm |
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 8.37pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 16 Sep 2015 8.08pm
Corbyn is far more Old Labour than New Left/Lib, which is good. His focus on trade union rights and working people is to be welcomed. If only he would drop his New Left stances on Irish and Palestinian terrorism and be sensible about immigration and benefits, he would be a candidate for my vote. If he does come out against the EU, he will definitely get my vote.
"Comrade Corbyn" embodies a form of extreme Socialism so old that people seem to have forgotten how dangerous it can be. The hard-left policies of envy and social division involving high taxation of the middle classes, ruinous public spending, reckless borrowing and kow-towing to trade union power etc etc etc. What a great leap backwards for 'Labour'.
The same thing trotted out time after time.
Why is it ALWAYS ''envy'' to you Willo?
Time to move forward together.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 16 Sep 15 9.06pm |
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 8.37pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 16 Sep 2015 8.08pm
Corbyn is far more Old Labour than New Left/Lib, which is good. His focus on trade union rights and working people is to be welcomed. If only he would drop his New Left stances on Irish and Palestinian terrorism and be sensible about immigration and benefits, he would be a candidate for my vote. If he does come out against the EU, he will definitely get my vote.
"Comrade Corbyn" embodies a form of extreme Socialism so old that people seem to have forgotten how dangerous it can be. The hard-left policies of envy and social division involving high taxation of the middle classes, ruinous public spending, reckless borrowing and kow-towing to trade union power etc etc etc. What a great leap backwards for 'Labour'.
I certainly don't support his New Left policies and am contemptuous of most New Left ideas. However, I certainly support trade unions, to whom ordinary working people owe their betterment over the years. The Tories in the past have opposed every measure that would have helped ordinary people: abolition of child labour; votes for working men; trade union rights; state funded education; old age pensions; votes for women; National Health Service - it's hard to think of one measure put forward by the Tories that has benefited ordinary working people.
Tory/New Labour economics have not been very successful in recent years, nor have the privatised railways and utilities. What you call 'hard-left' could be applied to the post-war Labour government - the most left wing government we have ever had, and they didn't do so bad.
What we need them to drop is all the New Left bollocks - uncontrolled immigration; multi-culturalism; support of the EU; pandering to terrorism; USA hatred; unilateral nuclear disarmament, etc
Edited by leggedstruggle (16 Sep 2015 9.45pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 15 11.21pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 16 Sep 2015 8.54pm
Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 8.37pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 16 Sep 2015 8.08pm
Corbyn is far more Old Labour than New Left/Lib, which is good. His focus on trade union rights and working people is to be welcomed. If only he would drop his New Left stances on Irish and Palestinian terrorism and be sensible about immigration and benefits, he would be a candidate for my vote. If he does come out against the EU, he will definitely get my vote.
"Comrade Corbyn" embodies a form of extreme Socialism so old that people seem to have forgotten how dangerous it can be. The hard-left policies of envy and social division involving high taxation of the middle classes, ruinous public spending, reckless borrowing and kow-towing to trade union power etc etc etc. What a great leap backwards for 'Labour'.
Nothing of substance in that response willo.
Nothing of "Substance" in the current Labour opposition under "Comrade Corbyn".
Feeble opposition and Governments of whatever political persuasion need effective oppositions.
Anyway, off to bed now !
Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2015 11.24pm)
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| DANGERCLOSE London 16 Sep 15 11.35pm |
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He gets my vote
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Sep 15 10.45am |
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Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 6.29pm
Quote ASCPFC at 16 Sep 2015 6.22pm
Cameron's point scoring and constant emphasis on the economy may become a little tiring and the Tories may have to rethink their leadership soon enough. May make Corbyn seem like a political genius and genuine reformer whilst revealing the Tories as the 'crab people' they really are.
What a lot of hogwash.
I thought this was a serious debate.
It is hardly hogwash that every answer from Cameron, about any subject, harps on about how wonderful the Tories are with the economy - which they are not. They are simply running the country whilst the global economy is coming out of a recession. Bascially the only way is up when there is a low starting point. Don't worry though - the next recession will come soon enough and austerity and cuts will not make a blind bit of difference.
What is required is an integrated social policy and an enforceable minimum standard of living throughout the UK. That way the people are sheilded from the fluctuations of the global economy. As for speculating that the Tories will need a new leader - that is hardly the first time that this has been brought up, Cameron is hardly great is he? Perhaps you want Boris? Which is basically a more embarrassing choice than Corbyn, in my opinion.
As for 'Crab people' - do you not think that the tories take their human skin off after a hard day in the commons bar and reveal ther true form of 'crab people'? They certainly seem far removed from normal human-beings but I suppose 10 years at Eton or Gordonstone would do that to people.
Red and Blue Army!
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 17 Sep 15 10.45am |
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After listening to a few radio programmes yesterday, I agree with DanH. The phony outrage over the national anthem stuff is pathetic.
Amber Rudd was banging on about it on the World at One. Pouring slime over Corbyn in a fit of phony outrage, pretending he was some kind of traitor.
Amber Rudd. Worked as a consultant at JP Morgan. Then at a Venture Capital fund. Then she ran a financial headhunting company.
If she ever sang the national anthem, except at a rugby match, before she went into politics, I'll eat my hat.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Sep 15 10.59am |
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Quote ASCPFC at 17 Sep 2015 10.45am
It is hardly hogwash that every answer from Cameron, about any subject, harps on about how wonderful the Tories are with the economy - which they are not.
Yes they are.
We've seen 1,000 new jobs every single day this Government has been in office; There has been a cut in income tax for over 26 million people, helping them keep more of the money they earn; The Government have cut the deficit by half as a share of our economy and the plan is to get in the black this Parliament so Britain can once again live within its means.
The Government are building a strong economy so we can secure the future of everyone in our country - whether that's by investing in our NHS, giving our children a good education or looking after the elderly in our society.
I could go on and on with more facts and figures and provide more examples but I am just about to go out to Worthing !
Edited by Willo (17 Sep 2015 11.02am)
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