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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Apr 23 10.55am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Surely it wasn't the playing reset that was the problem but who Parish selected to do it. How often has promoting a club junior to become Manager in the modern day Premier League actually worked out as I seem to recall them all ending in tears. I see quite a few mentions of Palace's DNA but I'm not sure what people mean One hears about our 'DNA' and 'Identity' etc etc, however I have not formulated in my mind what this specifically means when applied to the club. I accept I am in the dusk of life and have a dearth of intellectual acuity.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Apr 23 10.55am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Surely it wasn't the playing reset that was the problem but who Parish selected to do it.

How often has promoting a club junior to become Manager in the modern day Premier League actually worked out as I seem to recall them all ending in tears.

I see quite a few mentions of Palace's DNA but I'm not sure what people mean

One hears about our 'DNA' and 'Identity' etc etc, however I have not formulated in my mind what this specifically means when applied to the club.
I accept I am in the dusk of life and have a dearth of intellectual acuity.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Apr 23 11.03am
Originally posted by Putitout I think that rather makes the point that Rodgers, is a competent manager ,coach. Leicester were going backwards he kept them top ten, and European competition. . As for the eigth place last season, Klopp might have that on his CV come the end of season ,what does that say about his management skills,? Not getting at you Willo, but a serious question in the all round Klopp has asserted that he is only Liverpool manager at present because of past glories.As per Leicester he has players who have not performed as before, due to the advancement of age,injuries etc etc, and a significant re-building job is required at the end of the season. Apropos Rodgers, he has managed both Liverpool and Celtic, he has guided Leicester to 2 top 5 finishes.Does one really think he would be remotely interested in taking up the cudgel at our club ?

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Apr 23 11.03am

Originally posted by Putitout

I think that rather makes the point that Rodgers, is a competent manager ,coach. Leicester were going backwards he kept them top ten, and European competition. .
As for the eigth place last season, Klopp might have that on his CV come the end of season ,what does that say about his management skills,? Not getting at you Willo, but a serious question in the all round

Klopp has asserted that he is only Liverpool manager at present because of past glories.As per Leicester he has players who have not performed as before, due to the advancement of age,injuries etc etc, and a significant re-building job is required at the end of the season.

Apropos Rodgers, he has managed both Liverpool and Celtic, he has guided Leicester to 2 top 5 finishes.Does one really think he would be remotely interested in taking up the cudgel at our club ?

Putitout Oxford 04 Apr 23 11.11am
Originally posted by Willo Klopp has asserted that he is only Liverpool manager at present because of past glories.As per Leicester he has players who have not performed as before, due to the advancement of age,injuries etc etc, and a significant re-building job is required at the end of the season. Apropos Rodgers, he has managed both Liverpool and Celtic, he has guided Leicester to 2 top 5 finishes.Does one really think he would be remotely interested in taking up the cudgel at our club ? Well you’re asking another question there the answer has to be ,who knows, One way or the other ,it doesn’t alter whether he was worthy of the post. It seems we can both see he can’t be a bad manager /coach.

Putitout

Oxford 04 Apr 23 11.11am

Originally posted by Willo

Apropos Rodgers, he has managed both Liverpool and Celtic, he has guided Leicester to 2 top 5 finishes.Does one really think he would be remotely interested in taking up the cudgel at our club ?

Well you’re asking another question there the answer has to be ,who knows, One way or the other ,it doesn’t alter whether he was worthy of the post. It seems we can both see he can’t be a bad manager /coach.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Apr 23 11.48am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Surely it wasn't the playing reset that was the problem but who Parish selected to do it. How often has promoting a club junior to become Manager in the modern day Premier League actually worked out as I seem to recall them all ending in tears. I see quite a few mentions of Palace's DNA but I'm not sure what people mean My point being that whoever you apportion the blame, it hasn’t worked. I’m certainly not suggesting that Paddy is ready for the top coaching / manager job, but I am speculating that he could be Assistant Manager post Roy. As for the DNA piece, well I’ve always associated the club with being ‘ underdog, gate crashers ‘ types not just Fancy Dans. We’ve become too nice to play against. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Apr 23 11.48am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Surely it wasn't the playing reset that was the problem but who Parish selected to do it.

How often has promoting a club junior to become Manager in the modern day Premier League actually worked out as I seem to recall them all ending in tears.

I see quite a few mentions of Palace's DNA but I'm not sure what people mean

My point being that whoever you apportion the blame, it hasn’t worked.

I’m certainly not suggesting that Paddy is ready for the top coaching / manager job, but I am speculating that he could be Assistant Manager post Roy.

As for the DNA piece, well I’ve always associated the club with being ‘ underdog, gate crashers ‘ types not just Fancy Dans. We’ve become too nice to play against.

Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Apr 23 11.55am
Originally posted by Willo Klopp has asserted that he is only Liverpool manager at present because of past glories.As per Leicester he has players who have not performed as before, due to the advancement of age,injuries etc etc, and a significant re-building job is required at the end of the season. Apropos Rodgers, he has managed both Liverpool and Celtic, he has guided Leicester to 2 top 5 finishes.Does one really think he would be remotely interested in taking up the cudgel at our club ? Re Rodgers, Celtic and Liverpool were huge clubs. But in the distant past for him. I don’t think any of the big clubs, and I’m talking top 6, are going to be interested in him. And I doubt if he views the funding potential at Palace to be of interest. Shame because I think he could be a good fit . Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 04 Apr 23 11.55am

Originally posted by Willo

Apropos Rodgers, he has managed both Liverpool and Celtic, he has guided Leicester to 2 top 5 finishes.Does one really think he would be remotely interested in taking up the cudgel at our club ?

Re Rodgers, Celtic and Liverpool were huge clubs. But in the distant past for him.

I don’t think any of the big clubs, and I’m talking top 6, are going to be interested in him. And I doubt if he views the funding potential at Palace to be of interest. Shame because I think he could be a good fit .

Old, Ungifted and White

dreamwaverider London 04 Apr 23 1.22pm
Originally posted by Qwijibo They've sold players for £50+m repeatedly, without replacement. Last season they only signed Faes at CB and a backup keeper. Bare in mind they let Fofana leave for £75m. Maddison will leave this summer, and they'll have no star names left. Like us, they seem to have zero money. You could tell Rogers was desperate to be sacked before the world cup, but the speculation at the time was that they couldn't afford to pay him off. I don't understand how a club like Leicester have no money. Where does the tens of millions of pounds go?] Rebecca Vardy?

dreamwaverider

London 04 Apr 23 1.22pm

Originally posted by Qwijibo

They've sold players for £50+m repeatedly, without replacement. Last season they only signed Faes at CB and a backup keeper. Bare in mind they let Fofana leave for £75m. Maddison will leave this summer, and they'll have no star names left.

Like us, they seem to have zero money. You could tell Rogers was desperate to be sacked before the world cup, but the speculation at the time was that they couldn't afford to pay him off. I don't understand how a club like Leicester have no money. Where does the tens of millions of pounds go?]

Rebecca Vardy?

Osvaldo Epsom 04 Apr 23 2.58pm
Potter has turned down Leicester job. Waiting to decide in the Summer. Next Palace manager, eh? He is better with a smaller squad. Spoilt for choice at Chelsea. Now let's go and win 3 games! Hopefully we can then beat the Seagulls!!!

Osvaldo

Epsom 04 Apr 23 2.58pm

Potter has turned down Leicester job. Waiting to decide in the Summer.
Next Palace manager, eh?
He is better with a smaller squad.
Spoilt for choice at Chelsea.
Now let's go and win 3 games!
Hopefully we can then beat the Seagulls!!!

silvertop Portishead 04 Apr 23 3.40pm
Originally posted by Willo One hears about our 'DNA' and 'Identity' etc etc, however I have not formulated in my mind what this specifically means when applied to the club. I accept I am in the dusk of life and have a dearth of intellectual acuity. Punching above weight against the odds? Vociferous local support with zero media attention? Bullish defence, little possession, rapid counter through lightning quick wings? Last on MOTD?

silvertop

Portishead 04 Apr 23 3.40pm

Originally posted by Willo

Punching above weight against the odds?

Vociferous local support with zero media attention?

Bullish defence, little possession, rapid counter through lightning quick wings?

Last on MOTD?

PJEagle London 04 Apr 23 3.46pm
Originally posted by Willo One hears about our 'DNA' and 'Identity' etc etc, however I have not formulated in my mind what this specifically means when applied to the club. I accept I am in the dusk of life and have a dearth of intellectual acuity. You are the wisest commentator on matters Palace Willo! In terms of Palace DNA, the only thing I can tell you is that from my point of view, the way Palace played against Leicester was 'the Palace DNA. ' Only don't ask me to define it!

PJEagle

London 04 Apr 23 3.46pm

Originally posted by Willo

You are the wisest commentator on matters Palace Willo! In terms of Palace DNA, the only thing I can tell you is that from my point of view, the way Palace played against Leicester was 'the Palace DNA. ' Only don't ask me to define it!

eaglesdare 04 Apr 23 3.50pm
Can see potter going to west ham in the summer. We might go in for Moyes if Zaha leaves...

eaglesdare

04 Apr 23 3.50pm

Can see potter going to west ham in the summer. We might go in for Moyes if Zaha leaves...

MrRobbo Chaldon 04 Apr 23 3.53pm
Originally posted by silvertop Punching above weight against the odds? Vociferous local support with zero media attention? Bullish defence, little possession, rapid counter through lightning quick wings? Last on MOTD? That's what palace DNA means to me, fast tricky wide men. But more widely DNA is overused, because in reality it doesn't mean anything. Teams generate ways of playing that work for periods of time. But I'd go so far to say that Barcelona are the only team that has a recognisable DNA that can be articulated.

MrRobbo

Chaldon 04 Apr 23 3.53pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Punching above weight against the odds?

Vociferous local support with zero media attention?

Bullish defence, little possession, rapid counter through lightning quick wings?

Last on MOTD?

That's what palace DNA means to me, fast tricky wide men.

But more widely DNA is overused, because in reality it doesn't mean anything. Teams generate ways of playing that work for periods of time. But I'd go so far to say that Barcelona are the only team that has a recognisable DNA that can be articulated.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Apr 23 3.54pm
Originally posted by PJEagle You are the wisest commentator on matters Palace Willo! In terms of Palace DNA, the only thing I can tell you is that from my point of view, the way Palace played against Leicester was 'the Palace DNA. ' Only don't ask me to define it! This is so kind of you but I certainly do not place myself in such a category.I bow to all those on HOL who add value to this discussion forum with their wit,wisdom,sagacity and insight.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Apr 23 3.54pm

Originally posted by PJEagle

You are the wisest commentator on matters Palace Willo! In terms of Palace DNA, the only thing I can tell you is that from my point of view, the way Palace played against Leicester was 'the Palace DNA. ' Only don't ask me to define it!

This is so kind of you but I certainly do not place myself in such a category.I bow to all those on HOL who add value to this discussion forum with their wit,wisdom,sagacity and insight.

fish mitten Chelmsford 04 Apr 23 4.02pm
I very much doubt Rodgers or Potter will go anywhere before the summer. They would be mad to pitch up in a relegation battle when both of them are still held in relatively high stock. Be interesting I doubt either of them will attract one of the big clubs but they would almost certainly be considered a good manager by the rest of the Premier League. I would imagine a West Ham or Everton would be their probable level, but will there be a vacancy there in the summer? I could see Rodgers and Potter being interested in these jobs before us. What concerns me most, is that if Leicester end up appointing an interim (as I expect they may have too) then there could be a hell of a lot of shuffling around in the summer, with several jobs up for grabs which are considered more glamorous than Palace. Will we (dependent upon us staying up) be looking at a 3rd or 4th choice again? I can see SP playing it safe and offering Roy a year contract.

fish mitten

Chelmsford 04 Apr 23 4.02pm

I very much doubt Rodgers or Potter will go anywhere before the summer. They would be mad to pitch up in a relegation battle when both of them are still held in relatively high stock.

Be interesting I doubt either of them will attract one of the big clubs but they would almost certainly be considered a good manager by the rest of the Premier League. I would imagine a West Ham or Everton would be their probable level, but will there be a vacancy there in the summer? I could see Rodgers and Potter being interested in these jobs before us.

What concerns me most, is that if Leicester end up appointing an interim (as I expect they may have too) then there could be a hell of a lot of shuffling around in the summer, with several jobs up for grabs which are considered more glamorous than Palace. Will we (dependent upon us staying up) be looking at a 3rd or 4th choice again?

I can see SP playing it safe and offering Roy a year contract.

rikz Croydon 04 Apr 23 4.55pm
Originally posted by silvertop Punching above weight against the odds? Vociferous local support with zero media attention? Bullish defence, little possession, rapid counter through lightning quick wings? Last on MOTD? Historically I'd say we've probably underacheived.

rikz

Croydon 04 Apr 23 4.55pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Punching above weight against the odds?

Vociferous local support with zero media attention?

Bullish defence, little possession, rapid counter through lightning quick wings?

Last on MOTD?

Historically I'd say we've probably underacheived.

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 04 Apr 23 10.17pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo That's what palace DNA means to me, fast tricky wide men. But more widely DNA is overused, because in reality it doesn't mean anything. Teams generate ways of playing that work for periods of time. But I'd go so far to say that Barcelona are the only team that has a recognisable DNA that can be articulated. What about Ajax?

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 04 Apr 23 10.17pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

That's what palace DNA means to me, fast tricky wide men.

But more widely DNA is overused, because in reality it doesn't mean anything. Teams generate ways of playing that work for periods of time. But I'd go so far to say that Barcelona are the only team that has a recognisable DNA that can be articulated.

What about Ajax?

Vaibow vancouver/croydon 05 Apr 23 4.58am
Originally posted by Willo One hears about our 'DNA' and 'Identity' etc etc, however I have not formulated in my mind what this specifically means when applied to the club. I accept I am in the dusk of life and have a dearth of intellectual acuity. Of all your years watching palace, how would you describe us? Plucky? Under dogs? For me, we use local talent and players with a point to prove - we are in touch with our roots and have a good relationship with the fans. We like a bargain and at times can upset the big boys. That translates to a good scouting network, academy. It translates to a manager that gets what the fans are thinking and a chairman that is upfront. We aren't corporate. This was once a quality forum....

Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 05 Apr 23 4.58am

Originally posted by Willo

Of all your years watching palace, how would you describe us?
Plucky? Under dogs?

For me, we use local talent and players with a point to prove - we are in touch with our roots and have a good relationship with the fans.

We like a bargain and at times can upset the big boys.

That translates to a good scouting network, academy. It translates to a manager that gets what the fans are thinking and a chairman that is upfront.

We aren't corporate.

This was once a quality forum....

Eaglecoops CR3 05 Apr 23 5.06pm
Hasenhuttl for me. I like the way he gets his teams to play. Maybe Potter but he has been massively found out at Chelsea.

Eaglecoops

CR3 05 Apr 23 5.06pm

Hasenhuttl for me. I like the way he gets his teams to play. Maybe Potter but he has been massively found out at Chelsea.

Rachid Rachid Rachid 05 Apr 23 7.55pm
The DNA thing is hard to summarise but I'm 55 and in my lifetime the best times have involved talismanic young black lads from South London with raw individual talent. So Hilaire, Wright, Zaha and also that Steve Coppell saw this opportunity in the eighties to tap into non-league to find similar talent and drag us from the doldrums. On the manager front we should just stop lurching from one extreme to another and accept that Premier League football is a short term pragmatic game for Managers with hopefully some magic in there.

Rachid Rachid Rachid

05 Apr 23 7.55pm

The DNA thing is hard to summarise but I'm 55 and in my lifetime the best times have involved talismanic young black lads from South London with raw individual talent.

So Hilaire, Wright, Zaha and also that Steve Coppell saw this opportunity in the eighties to tap into non-league to find similar talent and drag us from the doldrums.

On the manager front we should just stop lurching from one extreme to another and accept that Premier League football is a short term pragmatic game for Managers with hopefully some magic in there.

gloryhunter EDINBURGH 05 Apr 23 8.57pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare Can see potter going to west ham in the summer. We might go in for Moyes if Zaha leaves... Surely Moyes is not a replacement for Wilf? Even SP wouldn't sign someone that old. gloryhunter (eagle in exile)

gloryhunter

EDINBURGH 05 Apr 23 8.57pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Can see potter going to west ham in the summer. We might go in for Moyes if Zaha leaves...

Surely Moyes is not a replacement for Wilf? Even SP wouldn't sign someone that old.

gloryhunter (eagle in exile)

Croydon-Trucker 06 Apr 23 8.37am
I cant see Potter going anywhere while he is still getting paid by Chelsea , unless they reach an agreement on a settlement . If they continue paying his wages that will stop if he signs with someone else.I cant see anyone paying what he is on .

Croydon-Trucker

06 Apr 23 8.37am

I cant see Potter going anywhere while he is still getting paid by Chelsea , unless they reach an agreement on a settlement . If they continue paying his wages that will stop if he signs with someone else.I cant see anyone paying what he is on .

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