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bright&wright Flag 14 Jun 16 7.42am

BREAKING NEWS:

London Mayor Sadiq Khan has banned nickgusset from posting tedious, boring links to lunatic blog sites or completely irrelevant pages on the HOL.


Now THAT is a headline I'd give praise to Khan for.


Edited by bright&wright (14 Jun 2016 7.43am)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Jun 16 8.08am

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BREAKING NEWS:

London Mayor Sadiq Khan has banned nickgusset from posting tedious, boring links to lunatic blog sites or completely irrelevant pages on the HOL.


Now THAT is a headline I'd give praise to Khan for.


Edited by bright&wright (14 Jun 2016 7.43am)

You don't want an alternative viewpoint? What is lunatic about the blog sites? What do you think of body image among women and advertising.

Edited by nickgusset (14 Jun 2016 8.54am)

 
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Jun 16 9.34am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is widely accepted that models are so skinny because the fashion industry is run largely by gay men who like their female models to look like young boys.

Haha...

Actually the reason is more mundane, its to do with fashion models wearing prototype designs. The shape and build of the model is so as to 'not distract' from the clothing, and so that the clothes can be as close to perfect a fit, without having to have them specifically tailored for one specific model. Its essential for runway (where there is minimal time for adjustments, and pre-production photo shoots. Otherwise you'd end up paying a lot of money for the model to be present during design and manufacturer.

Basically fashion models are glorified clothes hangers.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Jun 16 9.45am

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As you mentioned, you and I were bombarded with the advertising spiel, and worked out for ourselves that it was tosh. That was probably down to having an education that taught us that there are winners and losers. Something that the Liberal attitude of today forbids. "Everyone is equal" they teach. Only we're not. Some are better at some things than others. Some are thinner than others, or cleverer, prettier, stronger, more driven, etc. Teach it to the young, and they will accept difference. Like we did. A little disappointment does no harm.

The great false belief of society, which is essential for advertising and marketing to work. Everyone is affected by advertising, its generally designed to utilise psychological hooks to attract the attention of the 'target audiences'. Look around your house and home, at the things you've bought, and its hard to believe we are not affected.

The human machine works by relating itself to incoming data from the sensory world. Advertising exploits that. Its like people in the communist party believing they aren't affected by propaganda. Advertising is our propaganda.

I know this, and I am still just as vulnerable to advertising as anyone else. Part of the trick is making us believe we aren't affected, because were more educated, and then we have a whole raft of advertising and marketing that is specifically designed to exploit this very hubris.

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 14 Jun 16 10.08am

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3011821]

As you mentioned, you and I were bombarded with the advertising spiel, and worked out for ourselves that it was tosh. That was probably down to having an education that taught us that there are winners and losers. Something that the Liberal attitude of today forbids. "Everyone is equal" they teach. Only we're not. Some are better at some things than others. Some are thinner than others, or cleverer, prettier, stronger, more driven, etc. Teach it to the young, and they will accept difference. Like we did. A little disappointment does no harm.


Spoken like a true Palace fan

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 16 10.50am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Haha...

Actually the reason is more mundane, its to do with fashion models wearing prototype designs. The shape and build of the model is so as to 'not distract' from the clothing, and so that the clothes can be as close to perfect a fit, without having to have them specifically tailored for one specific model. Its essential for runway (where there is minimal time for adjustments, and pre-production photo shoots. Otherwise you'd end up paying a lot of money for the model to be present during design and manufacturer.

Basically fashion models are glorified clothes hangers.

I'll meet you half way on this one.

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 16 11.06am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Paristan? Tel-Avivstan? Mumbaistan?

Edited by nickgusset (13 Jun 2016 10.47pm)

I don't believe the model in the picture featured was anything more that healthy attractive girl. I would agree that fashion houses do have an issue with promoting ultra skinny models but that is a different issue.
If you care to notice there are clothing ranges that are aimed at larger ladies and not all images of women are skinny. In fact I'm sick of hearing big fat lumps tell us how happy they are and how we should all be happily fat. I've heard smokers saying similar things.

For me putting the interests of a tiny minority and pressure groups over the majority is typical of left wing politics and as he is a Muslim, I would have let this one well alone if I'd have been our new mayor.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Jun 2016 11.07am)

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Jun 16 11.17am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't believe the model in the picture featured was anything more that healthy attractive girl. I would agree that fashion houses do have an issue with promoting ultra skinny models but that is a different issue.
If you care to notice there are clothing ranges that are aimed at larger ladies and not all images of women are skinny. In fact I'm sick of hearing big fat lumps tell us how happy they are and how we should all be happily fat. I've heard smokers saying similar things.

For me putting the interests of a tiny minority and pressure groups over the majority is typical of left wing politics and as he is a Muslim, I would have let this one well alone if I'd have been our new mayor.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Jun 2016 11.07am)


do you not agree with the peer assessed research on the effect of advertising on body image? Particularly on kids.


 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 16 11.18am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The great false belief of society, which is essential for advertising and marketing to work. Everyone is affected by advertising, its generally designed to utilise psychological hooks to attract the attention of the 'target audiences'. Look around your house and home, at the things you've bought, and its hard to believe we are not affected.

The human machine works by relating itself to incoming data from the sensory world. Advertising exploits that. Its like people in the communist party believing they aren't affected by propaganda. Advertising is our propaganda.

I know this, and I am still just as vulnerable to advertising as anyone else. Part of the trick is making us believe we aren't affected, because were more educated, and then we have a whole raft of advertising and marketing that is specifically designed to exploit this very hubris.


There is no doubt that this is true but in the case of advertising products related to being slim, clearly it is not affecting a large proportion of the population.
People are getting fatter.

This might be due to a degree to less activity and almost certainly due to the rise of fast food.

If Mr khan is so bothered about peoples health, why doesn't he ban all Macdonalds from London?

We know why.

The policy in question nothing more than a tokenism and that is why I believe it is more about pandering to left wing sensibilities than for mental health.

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 16 11.25am

Originally posted by nickgusset


do you not agree with the peer assessed research on the effect of advertising on body image? Particularly on kids.


Once more.

Where do you draw the line?

In any case people are getting fatter and fatter.

Which is the greater problem?

A few people who have eating disorders or a large proportion of the population getting morbidly obese?

How is it wrong to show images of people who are healthy and attractive? Not all of us can look like the perceived ideal but it is beneficial for the vast majority to have a bit of vanity and at least try to achieve it. Those I know personally who have no vanity and are "happy" with themselves are very over weight and have health problems.

 
johnfirewall Flag 14 Jun 16 11.35am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


The policy in question nothing more than a tokenism and that is why I believe it is more about pandering to left wing sensibilities than for mental health.


Banning innocuous things but defending nasty people...

 
Part Time James Flag 14 Jun 16 11.44am

We could all just live in a bubble and never see or hear anything that we find offensive or makes us jealous? That'd make us all grow up to be well rounded individuals I'm sure. Some people are richer, better looking and more charismatic than you, if you can't handle that then you're not really going to be able to deal with the majority of life's little kicks in the balls.

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Jun 16 11.47am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Once more.

Where do you draw the line?

In any case people are getting fatter and fatter.

Which is the greater problem?

A few people who have eating disorders or a large proportion of the population getting morbidly obese?

How is it wrong to show images of people who are healthy and attractive? Not all of us can look like the perceived ideal but it is beneficial for the vast majority to have a bit of vanity and at least try to achieve it. Those I know personally who have no vanity and are "happy" with themselves are very over weight and have health problems.


A problem with many debates on here and elsewhere is that generally the ones who shout loudest against an idea are those that have never had to face the issue nor know someone who has. This often leads to people arguing a point despite their ignorance of it.

Where to draw the line? Ban all advertising on the tube!

Why are people getting fatter? Many reasons. Eating s*** cheap ready meals as they don't have time to cook or don't know how to cook. Comfort eating. Sedentary lifestyle. Over consumption of soft drinks are the first things that spring to mind.

I don't recall there being many obese people when I was growing up.

Edited by nickgusset (14 Jun 2016 11.57am)

 
Stuk Flag Top half 14 Jun 16 11.56am

Originally posted by nickgusset

You said the other one was more successful. The onus is on you to prove it

You're pathetic. You brought up the comparison but don't back it up with anything but 'google it'.

The other campaign cost less than 20K. Still want to argue which was more successful?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Jun 16 12.02pm

Originally posted by Stuk

You're pathetic. You brought up the comparison but don't back it up with anything but 'google it'.

The other campaign cost less than 20K. Still want to argue which was more successful?

Ad hominen starter. Good work.
The Google it remark was in response to a similar one you came back at me with this week, so a tad hypocritical to call me out on it.


Dove listed in top 15 ad campaigns here...

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In fact it's number one!

 
johnfirewall Flag 14 Jun 16 12.19pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

We could all just live in a bubble and never see or hear anything that we find offensive or makes us jealous? That'd make us all grow up to be well rounded individuals I'm sure. Some people are richer, better looking and more charismatic than you, if you can't handle that then you're not really going to be able to deal with the majority of life's little kicks in the balls.

Seems to be quite a right-wing rhetoric, which people find unpalatable. I'd say people need to toughen up while others will do all they can to stop anything which could have consequences for the victim in 1 in a million cases.

How do we halt the increase in allergies which result from removing all possible allergens from kids diets, without risk of death? This is for scientists, not politicians.

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 16 12.36pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


A problem with many debates on here and elsewhere is that generally the ones who shout loudest against an idea are those that have never had to face the issue nor know someone who has. This often leads to people arguing a point despite their ignorance of it.

Where to draw the line? Ban all advertising on the tube!

Why are people getting fatter? Many reasons. Eating s*** cheap ready meals as they don't have time to cook or don't know how to cook. Comfort eating. Sedentary lifestyle. Over consumption of soft drinks are the first things that spring to mind.

I don't recall there being many obese people when I was growing up.

Edited by nickgusset (14 Jun 2016 11.57am)

You raise an important aspect of all this but not quite how you hoped.

The very last people on Earth who should be making decisions on policy are those who are emotionally involved. It complete skews their attitude and makes them biased.
In my 52 years I have known a handful of people with obvious eating disorders and they are without doubt very troubled souls. I can say in all honesty that I doubt that one of them had their condition purely because of advertising. There troubles were much deeper and closer to home.
Making these knee jerk, token policy decisions are no more than political muscle flexing and I think deep down, you know that.

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Jun 16 12.56pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You raise an important aspect of all this but not quite how you hoped.

The very last people on Earth who should be making decisions on policy are those who are emotionally involved. It complete skews their attitude and makes them biased.
In my 52 years I have known a handful of people with obvious eating disorders and they are without doubt very troubled souls. I can say in all honesty that I doubt that one of them had their condition purely because of advertising. There troubles were much deeper and closer to home.
Making these knee jerk, token policy decisions are no more than political muscle flexing and I think deep down, you know that.


Some good points. However body image issues lead to other problems such as anxiety / depression.
Agree with your emotional bias in policy making point. However it's still important to have research / evidence to inform policy.
But this is a long way from internet discussions where people act like experts on something they know little about.
I hope that I try and get some background info or use personal experience before entering any fray. (Now I fancy a steak and kidney pie - fray bentos - pies in tins that you cook in boiling water. Can you still get them?)


Edited by nickgusset (14 Jun 2016 12.57pm)

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 16 12.59pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Some good points. However body image issues lead to other problems such as anxiety / depression.
Agree with your emotional bias in policy making point. However it's still important to have research / evidence to inform policy.
But this is a long way from internet discussions where people act like experts on something they know little about.
I hope that I try and get some background info or use personal experience before entering any fray. (Now I fancy a steak and kidney pie - fray bentos - pies in tins that you cook in boiling water. Can you still get them?)


Edited by nickgusset (14 Jun 2016 12.57pm)

I think you might. [Link]

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Jun 2016 1.02pm)

 
Stuk Flag Top half 14 Jun 16 1.09pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Ad hominen starter. Good work.
The Google it remark was in response to a similar one you came back at me with this week, so a tad hypocritical to call me out on it.


Dove listed in top 15 ad campaigns here...

[Link]

In fact it's number one!

Please find said remark? That's wishy washy.

In an opinion piece. Please tell me it's value for money, or it's success pound for pound.

Please also explain why the person in that advert is not 'normal' in your opinion but they are in the Dove advert?

 

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