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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Oct 21 6.50pm
Originally posted by cryrst That's a no then! I said what I meant. It depends on what is involved. I am sure some of them honestly believed that Brexit was in our best interests, although I bet a few of them are having second thoughts now, even if they don't express them. With such people I can have a meaningful exchange of views. It's those who backed Brexit for either personal gain, political advancement or to avoid losing their seat that I have no time for and even less respect. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Oct 21 6.50pm

Originally posted by cryrst

That's a no then!

I said what I meant. It depends on what is involved. I am sure some of them honestly believed that Brexit was in our best interests, although I bet a few of them are having second thoughts now, even if they don't express them. With such people I can have a meaningful exchange of views.

It's those who backed Brexit for either personal gain, political advancement or to avoid losing their seat that I have no time for and even less respect.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Oct 21 6.55pm
Originally posted by the silurian As there is no conflict in being both British and anti EU, except in your mind.. When I saw you had posted, I just knew it would be a pop at me. You are nothing if not predictable. However, I agree that it is possible to be both British and anti-EU, even though I believe that to be misguided, short-sighted and regressive. Not everyone can see beyond the end of their prejudice. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Oct 21 6.55pm

Originally posted by the silurian

As there is no conflict in being both British and anti EU, except in your mind..

When I saw you had posted, I just knew it would be a pop at me. You are nothing if not predictable.

However, I agree that it is possible to be both British and anti-EU, even though I believe that to be misguided, short-sighted and regressive. Not everyone can see beyond the end of their prejudice.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 12 Oct 21 7.02pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I said what I meant. It depends on what is involved. I am sure some of them honestly believed that Brexit was in our best interests, although I bet a few of them are having second thoughts now, even if they don't express them. With such people I can have a meaningful exchange of views. It's those who backed Brexit for either personal gain, political advancement or to avoid losing their seat that I have no time for and even less respect. The whole world's a stage and the people are the players. Some good actors out there wissie. Thus your opinion of certain politicians could be on a false belief. Maybe stick with hating all of the brexit voters, just to be sure eh !

cryrst

The garden of England 12 Oct 21 7.02pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's those who backed Brexit for either personal gain, political advancement or to avoid losing their seat that I have no time for and even less respect.

The whole world's a stage and the people are the players.
Some good actors out there wissie. Thus your opinion of certain politicians could be on a false belief. Maybe stick with hating all of the brexit voters, just to be sure eh !

cryrst The garden of England 12 Oct 21 7.03pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Kinhell! So if you get locked in the tower for waving a flag of a club you have been a member of for the past 40 years, how would you deal with the government carving up £14 Billion among themselves and their friends , that was destined for the nhs? Land of dope and tory! (Nothing personal ghost-just had to throw it in!) I think that one is done to death mate. Cash jobs were always OK though wernt they ?

cryrst

The garden of England 12 Oct 21 7.03pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Kinhell! So if you get locked in the tower for waving a flag of a club you have been a member of for the past 40 years, how would you deal with the government carving up £14 Billion among themselves and their friends , that was destined for the nhs? Land of dope and tory! (Nothing personal ghost-just had to throw it in!)

I think that one is done to death mate. Cash jobs were always OK though wernt they ?

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 12 Oct 21 7.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle When I saw you had posted, I just knew it would be a pop at me. You are nothing if not predictable. However, I agree that it is possible to be both British and anti-EU, even though I believe that to be misguided, short-sighted and regressive. Not everyone can see beyond the end of their prejudice. Exactly the same for you wissie, predictable and trying to prove how superior you consider yourself to be......you keep posting 'superior shyte and Ill keep replying to it" Also how do you explain the EU, Macron in particular, treating the UK like s***e, yet you still fawn over them like they are your very best friends? Edited by the silurian (12 Oct 2021 7.22pm)

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 12 Oct 21 7.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When I saw you had posted, I just knew it would be a pop at me. You are nothing if not predictable.

However, I agree that it is possible to be both British and anti-EU, even though I believe that to be misguided, short-sighted and regressive. Not everyone can see beyond the end of their prejudice.

Exactly the same for you wissie, predictable and trying to prove how superior you consider yourself to be......you keep posting 'superior shyte and Ill keep replying to it"

Also how do you explain the EU, Macron in particular, treating the UK like s***e, yet you still fawn over them like they are your very best friends?

Edited by the silurian (12 Oct 2021 7.22pm)

nead1 12 Oct 21 9.51pm
Maybe you could enlarge on why you think the EU treats the UK so badly - especially Macron? Frankly, such a perspective is lost on me. Going back on/ignoring international treaties that Johnson and Frost both negotiated and championed as outstanding, giving a nod to militants in NI to stir up trouble, creating quite unnecessary tensions with France over fishing and then, of course, the debacle in the Channel. Of course, its politically expedient to keep a running battle with the EU. Johnson got elected on just that basis and indeed his whole conversion to the Leave cause was associated with political opportunism. He was never known previously, despite his years in Brussels as an inaccurate journalist, to have expressed any strong views on the matter. That's the nature of the British PM and his henchman Frost that the EU are dealing with. Untrustworthy, not serious and quite willing in their own interests to keep the issue running and running. All the while, of course, the true costs of this whole scenario are starting to play out for UK citizens to witness and pay for.

nead1

12 Oct 21 9.51pm

Maybe you could enlarge on why you think the EU treats the UK so badly - especially Macron?

Frankly, such a perspective is lost on me. Going back on/ignoring international treaties that Johnson and Frost both negotiated and championed as outstanding, giving a nod to militants in NI to stir up trouble, creating quite unnecessary tensions with France over fishing and then, of course, the debacle in the Channel.

Of course, its politically expedient to keep a running battle with the EU. Johnson got elected on just that basis and indeed his whole conversion to the Leave cause was associated with political opportunism. He was never known previously, despite his years in Brussels as an inaccurate journalist, to have expressed any strong views on the matter.

That's the nature of the British PM and his henchman Frost that the EU are dealing with. Untrustworthy, not serious and quite willing in their own interests to keep the issue running and running. All the while, of course, the true costs of this whole scenario are starting to play out for UK citizens to witness and pay for.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Oct 21 10.06pm
Originally posted by cryrst The whole world's a stage and the people are the players. Some good actors out there wissie. Thus your opinion of certain politicians could be on a false belief. Maybe stick with hating all of the brexit voters, just to be sure eh ! Why on earth do you think I hate all the Brexit voters? Far from it. I feel desperately sorry for many of them who fell for the tried and tested con routine of jam tomorrow and green grass in the next field. I hate con men and chancers who are prepared to risk their country's future to salve personal ambition. We need leaders who are statesmen, with the capacity to accept the need to do the unpopular, whatever the risk to themselves or their party, if it is in our interests. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Oct 21 10.06pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Why on earth do you think I hate all the Brexit voters?

Far from it. I feel desperately sorry for many of them who fell for the tried and tested con routine of jam tomorrow and green grass in the next field. I hate con men and chancers who are prepared to risk their country's future to salve personal ambition. We need leaders who are statesmen, with the capacity to accept the need to do the unpopular, whatever the risk to themselves or their party, if it is in our interests.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Oct 21 10.14pm
Originally posted by the silurian Exactly the same for you wissie, predictable and trying to prove how superior you consider yourself to be......you keep posting 'superior shyte and Ill keep replying to it" Also how do you explain the EU, Macron in particular, treating the UK like s*e, yet you still fawn over them like they are your very best friends? Edited by the silurian (12 Oct 2021 7.22pm) If you believe I am superior to you, who am I to argue? I have no interest in such ideas. Nor, for that matter, in any** of yours, which seem facile at best. I don't fawn over anyone, or anything. I respect some, and disrespect others. I see many faults in the way the EU operates, but on balance believe we need to be a member who tries to steer its direction from the inside. Indeed, we never took an active enough role in this regard. We needed to be much more fully committed in the past, rather than always chirping on the sidelines. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Oct 21 10.14pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Exactly the same for you wissie, predictable and trying to prove how superior you consider yourself to be......you keep posting 'superior shyte and Ill keep replying to it"

Also how do you explain the EU, Macron in particular, treating the UK like s***e, yet you still fawn over them like they are your very best friends?

Edited by the silurian (12 Oct 2021 7.22pm)

If you believe I am superior to you, who am I to argue? I have no interest in such ideas. Nor, for that matter, in any of yours, which seem facile at best.

I don't fawn over anyone, or anything. I respect some, and disrespect others. I see many faults in the way the EU operates, but on balance believe we need to be a member who tries to steer its direction from the inside. Indeed, we never took an active enough role in this regard. We needed to be much more fully committed in the past, rather than always chirping on the sidelines.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 12 Oct 21 10.29pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why on earth do you think I hate all the Brexit voters? Far from it. I feel desperately sorry for many of them who fell for the tried and tested con routine of jam tomorrow and green grass in the next field. I hate con men and chancers who are prepared to risk their country's future to salve personal ambition. We need leaders who are statesmen, with the capacity to accept the need to do the unpopular, whatever the risk to themselves or their party, if it is in our interests. You are very disingenuous if you think every one in authority who voted brexit should now admit its a mistake and say sorry. Is that really what you are saying as you could be just as wrong in their opinion. They clearly think and beleive brexit is in our interest and many are a lot more learned than you I would guess.

cryrst

The garden of England 12 Oct 21 10.29pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why on earth do you think I hate all the Brexit voters?

You are very disingenuous if you think every one in authority who voted brexit should now admit its a mistake and say sorry.
Is that really what you are saying as you could be just as wrong in their opinion. They clearly think and beleive brexit is in our interest and many are a lot more learned than you I would guess.

AuntyAnne70 Tunbridge WElls 12 Oct 21 11.02pm
Some also do not necessarily think it is in our interests but really couldn't care less but have other nefarious reasons.

AuntyAnne70

Tunbridge WElls 12 Oct 21 11.02pm

Some also do not necessarily think it is in our interests but really couldn't care less but have other nefarious reasons.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 8.24am
Originally posted by cryrst You are very disingenuous if you think every one in authority who voted brexit should now admit its a mistake and say sorry. Is that really what you are saying as you could be just as wrong in their opinion. They clearly think and beleive brexit is in our interest and many are a lot more learned than you I would guess. I don't though think that! Some are still deluded enough to sincerely believe it will all work out well. As to being more "learned" than me, whilst they may well be more expensively educated that is, I regret to say, no guarantee that wisdom is the consequence. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 8.24am

Originally posted by cryrst

I don't though think that! Some are still deluded enough to sincerely believe it will all work out well.

As to being more "learned" than me, whilst they may well be more expensively educated that is, I regret to say, no guarantee that wisdom is the consequence.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 21 9.05am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't though think that! Some are still deluded enough to sincerely believe it will all work out well. As to being more "learned" than me, whilst they may well be more expensively educated that is, I regret to say, no guarantee that wisdom is the consequence. It's sad to think that you will spend your twilight years whining on about lost causes. You want to worship Europe like some victim of Stockholm Syndrome because they are being nasty to us? You are the kind of person who would have trusted Hitler.

Hrolf The Ganger

13 Oct 21 9.05am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't though think that! Some are still deluded enough to sincerely believe it will all work out well.

As to being more "learned" than me, whilst they may well be more expensively educated that is, I regret to say, no guarantee that wisdom is the consequence.

It's sad to think that you will spend your twilight years whining on about lost causes.
You want to worship Europe like some victim of Stockholm Syndrome because they are being nasty to us?

You are the kind of person who would have trusted Hitler.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 10.14am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It's sad to think that you will spend your twilight years whining on about lost causes. You want to worship Europe like some victim of Stockholm Syndrome because they are being nasty to us? You are the kind of person who would have trusted Hitler. I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining. I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything. I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 10.14am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's sad to think that you will spend your twilight years whining on about lost causes.
You want to worship Europe like some victim of Stockholm Syndrome because they are being nasty to us?

You are the kind of person who would have trusted Hitler.

I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining.

I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything.

I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 13 Oct 21 10.53am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining. I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything. I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists. Once more.... Cameron got the finger when asked for some preferential treatment so brexit happened. If the EU offered the UK a bespoke deal back then we wouldn't have even discussed it. Why don't you question why the EU took that chance? Obviously they thought it wouldn't happen but it DID. Apathy of your fellow remoaners created this. Go and question them, not the people who could be bothered.

cryrst

The garden of England 13 Oct 21 10.53am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything.

I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists.

Once more....
Cameron got the finger when asked for some preferential treatment so brexit happened. If the EU offered the UK a bespoke deal back then we wouldn't have even discussed it. Why don't you question why the EU took that chance? Obviously they thought it wouldn't happen but it DID. Apathy of your fellow remoaners created this. Go and question them, not the people who could be bothered.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Oct 21 12.52pm
Originally posted by nead1 Maybe you could enlarge on why you think the EU treats the UK so badly - especially Macron? Frankly, such a perspective is lost on me. Going back on/ignoring international treaties that Johnson and Frost both negotiated and championed as outstanding, giving a nod to militants in NI to stir up trouble, creating quite unnecessary tensions with France over fishing and then, of course, the debacle in the Channel. Of course, its politically expedient to keep a running battle with the EU. Johnson got elected on just that basis and indeed his whole conversion to the Leave cause was associated with political opportunism. He was never known previously, despite his years in Brussels as an inaccurate journalist, to have expressed any strong views on the matter. That's the nature of the British PM and his henchman Frost that the EU are dealing with. Untrustworthy, not serious and quite willing in their own interests to keep the issue running and running. All the while, of course, the true costs of this whole scenario are starting to play out for UK citizens to witness and pay for. Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 13 Oct 21 12.52pm

Originally posted by nead1

Maybe you could enlarge on why you think the EU treats the UK so badly - especially Macron?

Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 1.06pm
Originally posted by cryrst Once more.... Cameron got the finger when asked for some preferential treatment so brexit happened. If the EU offered the UK a bespoke deal back then we wouldn't have even discussed it. Why don't you question why the EU took that chance? Obviously they thought it wouldn't happen but it DID. Apathy of your fellow remoaners created this. Go and question them, not the people who could be bothered. Everyone misjudged the situation, not just the EU! Even Farage thought that he would lose, right up to the moment before the result was announced. As I have said many times, you cannot compare the Remain campaign with the Leave one and blame apathy. Defending the status quo is always less sexy than promising a golden dawn. The blame lies squarely with the very idea of asking the people to determine such a complex issue, when their job is to select people to make such decisions on our behalf. That Cameron, and central office, decided to cave in to UKIP's threat was a miscalculation of epic proportions for which they can never be forgiven. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 1.06pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Everyone misjudged the situation, not just the EU! Even Farage thought that he would lose, right up to the moment before the result was announced.

As I have said many times, you cannot compare the Remain campaign with the Leave one and blame apathy. Defending the status quo is always less sexy than promising a golden dawn.

The blame lies squarely with the very idea of asking the people to determine such a complex issue, when their job is to select people to make such decisions on our behalf.

That Cameron, and central office, decided to cave in to UKIP's threat was a miscalculation of epic proportions for which they can never be forgiven.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 21 1.09pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining. I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything. I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists. What you mean is that you wish to influence people with fear and misinformation to perpetuate your sorry campaign. You are not an honest man, are you Wisbech?

Hrolf The Ganger

13 Oct 21 1.09pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining.

I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything.

I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists.

What you mean is that you wish to influence people with fear and misinformation to perpetuate your sorry campaign.

You are not an honest man, are you Wisbech?

steeleye20 Croydon 13 Oct 21 1.36pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it. It's sad reflection if we can not be trusted, but only English voters would trust Johnson. Brexit: Irish deputy PM Leo Varadkar warns nations UK might not keep its word. France has actually been a good friend considering.

steeleye20

Croydon 13 Oct 21 1.36pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it.

It's sad reflection if we can not be trusted, but only English voters would trust Johnson.

Brexit: Irish deputy PM Leo Varadkar warns nations UK might not keep its word.

France has actually been a good friend considering.

Badger11 Beckenham 13 Oct 21 2.08pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's sad reflection if we can not be trusted, but only English voters would trust Johnson. Brexit: Irish deputy PM Leo Varadkar warns nations UK might not keep its word. France has actually been a good friend considering. When discussing trust worthiness probably not the best person to cite. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 Oct 21 2.08pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's sad reflection if we can not be trusted, but only English voters would trust Johnson.

Brexit: Irish deputy PM Leo Varadkar warns nations UK might not keep its word.

France has actually been a good friend considering.

When discussing trust worthiness probably not the best person to cite.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 6.58pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What you mean is that you wish to influence people with fear and misinformation to perpetuate your sorry campaign. You are not an honest man, are you Wisbech? Another laugh out loud moment from you. I have no need to influence anyone, let alone campaign to do so. Events are doing that. Precisely where do you think I am stating any misinformation? Given that was the primary ingredient of the Leave campaign, such an idea is really pretty amusing. As well as being ridiculous. All I am doing is giving my observations on how things are going. Whether you agree with them is of little interest to me, and of even less consequence. They will happen anyway. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 6.58pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What you mean is that you wish to influence people with fear and misinformation to perpetuate your sorry campaign.

You are not an honest man, are you Wisbech?

Another laugh out loud moment from you.

I have no need to influence anyone, let alone campaign to do so. Events are doing that. Precisely where do you think I am stating any misinformation? Given that was the primary ingredient of the Leave campaign, such an idea is really pretty amusing. As well as being ridiculous.

All I am doing is giving my observations on how things are going. Whether you agree with them is of little interest to me, and of even less consequence. They will happen anyway.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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