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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jun 17 2.03pm
Originally posted by europalace The US and UK governments did take decisive action years ago. They decided to interfere in other people's countries to impose 'western democracy' when no one in these countries wanted it. You always conveniently forget to mention the medling and intefering that these governments were guilty of which kicked off the whole issue of the retaliation we are now seeing. These are the same governments that the citizens of these countries voted in. Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm) Please stop. History in isolation is worthless. Tell me exactly what these murderers are trying to achieve in the context of your selective version of history.
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Originally posted by europalace

The US and UK governments did take decisive action years ago. They decided to interfere in other people's countries to impose 'western democracy' when no one in these countries wanted it. You always conveniently forget to mention the medling and intefering that these governments were guilty of which kicked off the whole issue of the retaliation we are now seeing. These are the same governments that the citizens of these countries voted in.

Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm)

Please stop.

History in isolation is worthless.

Tell me exactly what these murderers are trying to achieve in the context of your selective version of history.

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NKEagle Pyongyang 05 Jun 17 2.04pm
Originally posted by europalace The US and UK governments did take decisive action years ago. They decided to interfere in other people's countries to impose 'western democracy' when no one in these countries wanted it. You always conveniently forget to mention the medling and intefering that these governments were guilty of which kicked off the whole issue of the retaliation we are now seeing. These are the same governments that the citizens of these countries voted in. Are you saying that folks of middle eastern origin are justified in committing acts of violence against us? If so, should we simply take it, as penance for our meddling in their affairs? If not, then what's your point? Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm)
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Pyongyang 05 Jun 17 2.04pm

Originally posted by europalace

Are you saying that folks of middle eastern origin are justified in committing acts of violence against us? If so, should we simply take it, as penance for our meddling in their affairs? If not, then what's your point?

Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm)

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Stirlingsays 05 Jun 17 2.04pm
Originally posted by europalace The US and UK governments did take decisive action years ago. They decided to interfere in other people's countries to impose 'western democracy' when no one in these countries wanted it. You always conveniently forget to mention the medling and intefering that these governments were guilty of which kicked off the whole issue of the retaliation we are now seeing. These are the same governments that the citizens of these countries voted in. Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm) This is BS. You obviously don't actually listen to what IS say anyway. They have expressly stated that we would be attacked regardless of any interference. Why do you think they bomb and murder Muslims in their own countries? Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2017 2.05pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Jun 17 2.04pm

Originally posted by europalace

Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm)

This is BS. You obviously don't actually listen to what IS say anyway.

They have expressly stated that we would be attacked regardless of any interference.

Why do you think they bomb and murder Muslims in their own countries?

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2017 2.05pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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NKEagle Pyongyang 05 Jun 17 2.10pm
Originally posted by europalace The US and UK governments did take decisive action years ago. They decided to interfere in other people's countries to impose 'western democracy' when no one in these countries wanted it. You always conveniently forget to mention the medling and intefering that these governments were guilty of which kicked off the whole issue of the retaliation we are now seeing. These are the same governments that the citizens of these countries voted in. Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm) in the final seconds of his life, as the suicide bomber next to him presses the button, europlace' final thought is "well, this young man's actions are understandable, because my government interfered in the affairs of the county from which he immigrated "
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Pyongyang 05 Jun 17 2.10pm

Originally posted by europalace

Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm)

in the final seconds of his life, as the suicide bomber next to him presses the button, europlace' final thought is "well, this young man's actions are understandable, because my government interfered in the affairs of the county from which he immigrated "

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NKEagle Pyongyang 05 Jun 17 2.25pm
Originally posted by europalace The US and UK governments did take decisive action years ago. They decided to interfere in other people's countries to impose 'western democracy' when no one in these countries wanted it. You always conveniently forget to mention the medling and intefering that these governments were guilty of which kicked off the whole issue of the retaliation we are now seeing. These are the same governments that the citizens of these countries voted in. Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm) It's a cowardly sort whose immediate knee-jerk reaction to being attacked is to proclaim that the attack was justified, or to scramble to explain why the attack makes sense. Deluding oneself into believing that the attack is justified, or at least logical, is a self defense mechanism, employed by people who wish to avoid thinking about the fact that we face an enemy that is illogical and irrational. It's a way of convincing oneself that the enemy is less scary. It's easier to think of ISIS as simply trying to right wrongs that we have inflicted on them in the past. Facing the truth is harder. That said, I totally agree with you about interfering in the Middle East, albeit for, I think, different reasons. I think western countries shouldn't spend one more life or one more penny. Put an iron dome over it and let them have at it.
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Pyongyang 05 Jun 17 2.25pm

Originally posted by europalace

Edited by europalace (05 Jun 2017 1.59pm)

It's a cowardly sort whose immediate knee-jerk reaction to being attacked is to proclaim that the attack was justified, or to scramble to explain why the attack makes sense. Deluding oneself into believing that the attack is justified, or at least logical, is a self defense mechanism, employed by people who wish to avoid thinking about the fact that we face an enemy that is illogical and irrational. It's a way of convincing oneself that the enemy is less scary. It's easier to think of ISIS as simply trying to right wrongs that we have inflicted on them in the past. Facing the truth is harder.

That said, I totally agree with you about interfering in the Middle East, albeit for, I think, different reasons. I think western countries shouldn't spend one more life or one more penny. Put an iron dome over it and let them have at it.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 05 Jun 17 2.32pm
Originally posted by NKEagle in the final seconds of his life, as the suicide bomber next to him presses the button, europlace' final thought is "well, this young man's actions are understandable, because my government interfered in the affairs of the county from which he immigrated " Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 05 Jun 17 2.32pm

Originally posted by NKEagle

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 3.34pm
Apparently, one of the fascists on Saturday was a Moroccan. What part of British foreign policy had upset him then? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 05 Jun 17 3.34pm

Apparently, one of the fascists on Saturday was a Moroccan. What part of British foreign policy had upset him then?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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europalace Europe 05 Jun 17 3.48pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Apparently, one of the fascists on Saturday was a Moroccan. What part of British foreign policy had upset him then? From your cultures perspective you don't see any reason for that but other cultures have a different view. Some will support each other without thinking 'nationally', they support each other because they understand each other's culture. It's what I referred to in an earlier comment, 'western' cultures assume everyone else has the same understanding of life values and priorities - they don't.
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Europe 05 Jun 17 3.48pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Apparently, one of the fascists on Saturday was a Moroccan. What part of British foreign policy had upset him then?

From your cultures perspective you don't see any reason for that but other cultures have a different view. Some will support each other without thinking 'nationally', they support each other because they understand each other's culture. It's what I referred to in an earlier comment, 'western' cultures assume everyone else has the same understanding of life values and priorities - they don't.

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bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 05 Jun 17 3.55pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Apparently, one of the fascists on Saturday was a Moroccan. What part of British foreign policy had upset him then? Didnt we put a tax on inflatable dinghys. He must have been fuming as he rowed across the sea leaving Morocco
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Carparks in South East London 05 Jun 17 3.55pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Apparently, one of the fascists on Saturday was a Moroccan. What part of British foreign policy had upset him then?

Didnt we put a tax on inflatable dinghys. He must have been fuming as he rowed across the sea leaving Morocco

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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 3.59pm
Originally posted by europalace From your cultures perspective you don't see any reason for that but other cultures have a different view. Some will support each other without thinking 'nationally', they support each other because they understand each other's culture. It's what I referred to in an earlier comment, 'western' cultures assume everyone else has the same understanding of life values and priorities - they don't. Which part of their 'culture' did he understand to mean that three men should repeatedly stab a defenceless woman to death? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 05 Jun 17 3.59pm

Originally posted by europalace

From your cultures perspective you don't see any reason for that but other cultures have a different view. Some will support each other without thinking 'nationally', they support each other because they understand each other's culture. It's what I referred to in an earlier comment, 'western' cultures assume everyone else has the same understanding of life values and priorities - they don't.

Which part of their 'culture' did he understand to mean that three men should repeatedly stab a defenceless woman to death?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 05 Jun 17 4.02pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Apparently, one of the fascists on Saturday was a Moroccan. What part of British foreign policy had upset him then? He was a Fezbollah sympathiser Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 05 Jun 17 4.02pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Apparently, one of the fascists on Saturday was a Moroccan. What part of British foreign policy had upset him then?

He was a Fezbollah sympathiser

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Jun 17 4.03pm
Originally posted by bubble wrap Didnt we put a tax on inflatable dinghys. He must have been fuming as he rowed across the sea leaving Morocco Nice. [Link]
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Shizzlehurst 05 Jun 17 4.03pm

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Didnt we put a tax on inflatable dinghys. He must have been fuming as he rowed across the sea leaving Morocco

Nice.

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