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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.14pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 There is no solution, just years of periodic violence ahead with the liberal left still telling us how wonderful the things are that have led to the situation in the first place. Let's not forget the West letting the Saudis off the hook over and over these past few decades and still continue to do so. Think all those involved may have had a bit of influence in creating situations. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.14pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There is no solution, just years of periodic violence ahead with the liberal left still telling us how wonderful the things are that have led to the situation in the first place.

Let's not forget the West letting the Saudis off the hook over and over these past few decades and still continue to do so.

Think all those involved may have had a bit of influence in creating situations.

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.16pm
Originally posted by Part Time James We are now a country where people are afraid to go out and to live but nobody is afraid to preach hatred against British citizens or sympathise with terrorists. That's really not the right way round for me. That's not really true, is it? Doesn't sound like the Britain/British I know. A bit more wary maybe which is only natural. I've been to two sold-out concerts since Manchester. Everyone turned up. No empty seats. Edited by Kermit8 (05 Jun 2017 12.17pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.16pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

We are now a country where people are afraid to go out and to live but nobody is afraid to preach hatred against British citizens or sympathise with terrorists.

That's really not the right way round for me.

That's not really true, is it? Doesn't sound like the Britain/British I know. A bit more wary maybe which is only natural. I've been to two sold-out concerts since Manchester. Everyone turned up. No empty seats.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 12.17pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 So Sadiq Khan is a mainstream muslim according to his own words. A secular one too. How do you propose he should reform? Why has he, or myself for that matter, enabled a 22 year old fvckwit anger-issued nihilistic cvnt to go into shops and buy stuff to make a bomb? There is no such thing as a secular Muslim. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 05 Jun 17 12.17pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

So Sadiq Khan is a mainstream muslim according to his own words. A secular one too. How do you propose he should reform? Why has he, or myself for that matter, enabled a 22 year old fvckwit anger-issued nihilistic cvnt to go into shops and buy stuff to make a bomb?

There is no such thing as a secular Muslim.

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.19pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 There is no such thing as a secular Muslim. Of course there is. Like a secular Jew. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.19pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There is no such thing as a secular Muslim.

Of course there is. Like a secular Jew.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 12.24pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Of course there is. Like a secular Jew. There are Jews who have openly abandoned their religion. However, Muslims that do are subject to the death penalty in many Islamic countries, it's a bit like trying to leave the Mafia. Has Khan disavowed his religion? Edited by hedgehog50 (05 Jun 2017 12.28pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 05 Jun 17 12.24pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Of course there is. Like a secular Jew.

There are Jews who have openly abandoned their religion. However, Muslims that do are subject to the death penalty in many Islamic countries, it's a bit like trying to leave the Mafia. Has Khan disavowed his religion?

Edited by hedgehog50 (05 Jun 2017 12.28pm)

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Part Time James 05 Jun 17 12.25pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 That's not really true, is it? Doesn't sound like the Britain/British I know. A bit more wary maybe which is only natural. I've been to two sold-out concerts since Manchester. Everyone turned up. No empty seats. Edited by Kermit8 (05 Jun 2017 12.17pm) I know people that work in London as their base that aren't travelling in to work because they are afraid. If your argument is that out of the entire population of the UK it's only the minority that are afraid then I might agree. If you're saying no one is afraid to live their life normally right now then I'm not going to able to take you seriously enough to discuss it. Edited by Part Time James (05 Jun 2017 12.26pm)
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I know people that work in London as their base that aren't travelling in to work because they are afraid.

If your argument is that out of the entire population of the UK it's only the minority that are afraid then I might agree. If you're saying no one is afraid to live their life normally right now then I'm not going to able to take you seriously enough to discuss it.

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.27pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 There are Jews who have openly abandoned their religion, however, Muslims that do that are subject to the death penalty in many Islamic countries. Has Khan disavowed his religion? "i am a secular muslim" - Sadiq Khan Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.27pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There are Jews who have openly abandoned their religion, however, Muslims that do that are subject to the death penalty in many Islamic countries. Has Khan disavowed his religion?

"i am a secular muslim" - Sadiq Khan

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Stirlingsays 05 Jun 17 12.28pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 There is no such thing as a secular Muslim. We do have them. It's the only realistic way forward for the religion in this country. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Jun 17 12.28pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There is no such thing as a secular Muslim.

We do have them.

It's the only realistic way forward for the religion in this country.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.28pm
Originally posted by Part Time James I know people that work in London as their base that aren't travelling in to work because they are afraid. If your argument is that out of the entire population of the UK it's only the minority that are afraid then I might agree. If you're saying no one is afraid to live their life normally right now then I'm not going to able to take you seriously enough to discuss it. Edited by Part Time James (05 Jun 2017 12.26pm) 'a few people then' - yep, agreed. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.28pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

I know people that work in London as their base that aren't travelling in to work because they are afraid.

Edited by Part Time James (05 Jun 2017 12.26pm)

'a few people then' - yep, agreed.

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Lyons550 Shirley 05 Jun 17 12.30pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I don't know how she cannot resign she was Home Secretary and ordered these cuts so she is responsible and accountable. Nicely swerved...but your hypocrisy is noted I'm not so sure that the cuts themselves can be blamed for a terrorist attack though...that's simply a lazy accusation based on your political stance. It's far far more complex and nuanced then to simply suggest the cuts to the POLICE alone are responsible; sure they haven't helped...but what most people on here are missing is the fact that the Police are being asked to do so much more than they were 40 years ago...they're even Pseudo Social Workers now...mopping up people wandering around with Dementia. There is clearly investment needed in National Security...but that's where it needs to be spent...MI5 should be doing the intelligence role, which then is back up by the Police. I know tens of people in 'the job' who are overwhelmed with the variety of work they're asked to undertake, due to cuts EVERYWHERE...not just in the force. Relieve the Police of all the extra burden that's cluttered up their role over the last 25yrs or so and let them get back to mingling with the Communities...simply saying that extra Police will address this is just papering over the cracks and not dealing with the real issue. So it's a poor argument based on nothing more than ignorance and political bias. Edited by Lyons550 (05 Jun 2017 12.31pm) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 05 Jun 17 12.30pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I don't know how she cannot resign she was Home Secretary and ordered these cuts so she is responsible and accountable.

Nicely swerved...but your hypocrisy is noted

I'm not so sure that the cuts themselves can be blamed for a terrorist attack though...that's simply a lazy accusation based on your political stance.

It's far far more complex and nuanced then to simply suggest the cuts to the POLICE alone are responsible; sure they haven't helped...but what most people on here are missing is the fact that the Police are being asked to do so much more than they were 40 years ago...they're even Pseudo Social Workers now...mopping up people wandering around with Dementia.

There is clearly investment needed in National Security...but that's where it needs to be spent...MI5 should be doing the intelligence role, which then is back up by the Police.

I know tens of people in 'the job' who are overwhelmed with the variety of work they're asked to undertake, due to cuts EVERYWHERE...not just in the force.

Relieve the Police of all the extra burden that's cluttered up their role over the last 25yrs or so and let them get back to mingling with the Communities...simply saying that extra Police will address this is just papering over the cracks and not dealing with the real issue.

So it's a poor argument based on nothing more than ignorance and political bias.

Edited by Lyons550 (05 Jun 2017 12.31pm)

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Part Time James 05 Jun 17 12.31pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 'a few people then' - yep, agreed. Good. I'll ignore the sarcastic tones and assume we do agree with the original point I made.
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05 Jun 17 12.31pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

'a few people then' - yep, agreed.

Good. I'll ignore the sarcastic tones and assume we do agree with the original point I made.

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Stirlingsays 05 Jun 17 12.34pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 So Sadiq Khan is a mainstream muslim according to his own words. A secular one too. How do you propose he should reform? Why has he, or myself for that matter, enabled a 22 year old fvckwit anger-issued nihilistic cvnt to go into shops and buy stuff to make a bomb? What are Khan's views on apostates, homosexuals and the rights of women? What are his views on Muslims integrating with non Muslims believing in equality of worth between Muslims and non Muslims. If I knew that, I could tell you if Khan is a mainstream Muslim or not. I think he is a secular Muslim but as to his personal views, as affected by the religion, I don't know them. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Jun 17 12.34pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

So Sadiq Khan is a mainstream muslim according to his own words. A secular one too. How do you propose he should reform? Why has he, or myself for that matter, enabled a 22 year old fvckwit anger-issued nihilistic cvnt to go into shops and buy stuff to make a bomb?

What are Khan's views on apostates, homosexuals and the rights of women? What are his views on Muslims integrating with non Muslims believing in equality of worth between Muslims and non Muslims.

If I knew that, I could tell you if Khan is a mainstream Muslim or not.

I think he is a secular Muslim but as to his personal views, as affected by the religion, I don't know them.

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