Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 Matov  24 Feb 22 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You forgot to mention record tractor production and exceeding glorious five-year-plan. All those waving cornfields and ballet in the evenings. [Admire you self-awareness though.] Edited by georgenorman (24 Feb 2022 8.54pm)
Out of interest have you ever actually sat down and watched any of the numerous press conferences and speeches that Putin has given? Are you aware of the reserves of both foreign currency and precious metals that Russia has accumulated? Let's deal with actual facts rather than just hysteria. Edited by Matov (24 Feb 2022 8.59pm)
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| Stirlingsays 24 Feb 22 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Portillo, looking through the archives - found a letter from Churchill telling his top brass to get ready for war with Russia. They must have headed it off somehow - as if everyone hadn't had enough by then. It was never that realistic, Churchill loved war, but everyone was exhausted. We had sided with Stalin over Hitler, though but for events it could have been the other way around. Both murderous tyrants. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Feb 2022 9.05pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 Feb 22 9.00pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Or is that the huge trade surplus that Russia maintains that is the real s***-show going on? Look, I know I can come across about being a Putin fan-boy but I just look at actual facts rather than the bulls*** we are fed here in the West. And all I see in Putin is somebody who does what it says on the tin. For the benefit of the Russian people. Of course, Russia has actually benefitted from sanctions, it has very little debt and 630 billion dollars of reserves, plus its self-sufficient in just about everything. It could retaliate by shutting off europe's gas, as it is prices are soaring. Imagine the german economy, for example, having to import USA fracking gas.
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| Matov 24 Feb 22 9.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think perhaps you are overlooking what had just happened in Japan.
How would you sell that to a British public just coming off the back of 5 years of war? Of having just elected a Labour Government? Of just being made aware of the death camps? Seriously, it's pure fantasy to imagine the West turning on the Soviets in 1945. Of a British public more than willing to consider a socialist future. Worthy of the kind of drunken pub induced 'what if' scenarios but for any attempt at serious consideration, in the realms of fantasy.
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| Matov 24 Feb 22 9.06pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Of course, Russia has actually benefitted from sanctions, it has very little debt and 630 billion dollars of reserves, plus its self-sufficient in just about everything. It could retaliate by shutting off europe's gas, as it is prices are soaring. Imagine the german economy, for example, having to import USA fracking gas. The Atlantic is currently chock-a-block with LPG tankers. Both US and Qatari is my understanding. Funny that.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Feb 22 9.11pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
So you think the West should have dropped atom bombs on the USSR? After nearly 4 years of being allied? After effectively allowing the Germans to throw almost their entire military strength at the Soviets? How would you sell that to a British public just coming off the back of 5 years of war? Of having just elected a Labour Government? Of just being made aware of the death camps? Seriously, it's pure fantasy to imagine the West turning on the Soviets in 1945. Of a British public more than willing to consider a socialist future. Worthy of the kind of drunken pub induced 'what if' scenarios but for any attempt at serious consideration, in the realms of fantasy.
How would they have justified it? By lying...like they did by portraying the murderous Stalin as 'Uncle Joe'. No, I wouldn't have supported it....I don't support what happened in Japan either....If what you do involves babies dying in rubble it gets no support from me....That's whoever is doing it as well...Nato's bombing killed Serbian civilians in the nineties and that wasn't supported by me either.
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| georgenorman 24 Feb 22 9.28pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
LOL. So you have nothing to actually add? Merely regurgitating what is a ludicrous, and decades out of date, cartoonish perception of what the USSR was, rather than the modern Russia of today? Out of interest have you ever actually sat down and watched any of the numerous press conferences and speeches that Putin has given? Are you aware of the reserves of both foreign currency and precious metals that Russia has accumulated? Let's deal with actual facts rather than just hysteria. Edited by Matov (24 Feb 2022 8.59pm) Your admiration of a totalitarian despot disgusts me.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 24 Feb 22 9.49pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Your admiration of a totalitarian despot disgusts me. Can't help but think you've missed a trick there if you really wanted to make a point.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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| Matov 24 Feb 22 9.57pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Your admiration of a totalitarian despot disgusts me.
Be wrecked in less than an hour.
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| georgenorman 24 Feb 22 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
If I was still drinking, I might sit down with a bottle of something (maybe Vodka although it was never my favourite tipple) and award myself with a shot every time you used some tired old cliche. Be wrecked in less than an hour. "All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting." [Orwell]
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 24 Feb 22 10.35pm |
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GDP of Russia is similar size to Canada or Spain. They are able to act as they do in large part because Western Europe including the UK has allowed a situation where they are energy dependent on others. This has happened over 20/30 years but can still be reversed. The EU is not sanctioning the import of Russian gas, the other sanctions are virtually meaningless in the medium term and the dust will have settled by the time the sanctions bite.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 24 Feb 22 10.37pm |
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you consider stopping talking out of yours
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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