Fair points. Brexit will take two years once ignited and then we have the years on top of that to sign off the multitude of newly-negotiated trade deals.

There will be a blip - how strong no-one knows - but can't see it being brief because of the time scales.

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Ha -ha - Who made that up? Very professional.

I think you need a lie-down.

Here are the official Swiss trade figures not quickly tapped into excel by some spotty financially-challenged geek.

You will notice the lack of the word 'trillions'

I hope anyway

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Never come into the room without the figures. I'm oot.

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'in CHF million'

i.e. 29'752 (000,000)

Although I've no idea what a Swiss Franc is worth.

Brilliant, you can pull your trousers up now Kermit..... I think he's done with you.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Who "made it up"? The IMF - it is their 2015 GDP figures. How they are entered is irrelevant. They are the figures. You are welcome to check them here:

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Perhaps you are confusing trade volume with market values. I will say it again, because you are struggling:

The Swiss have free trade access to markets with a combined GDP $US40tn
The EU has free trade access to markets with a combined GDP $US7tn

To give you some idea of scale (again, because you are struggling, and it's in my nature to help those that struggle to understand) - the Gross World Product (GWP) is about US$78.28tn.

Rather than fixate on this lost battle of yours, contemplate the war: this point was raised to demonstrate the glacial and constrained nature of international trade under the EU. Quibbling over how good or bad the Swiss have it is largely moot. The figures support my assertions: restrictive, geographically protectionist customs unions like the EU are a thing of yesteryear. Agile dynamic economies thrive by forging links quickly with emerging economies. We need to get with the modern world and stop trying to shoehorn it into 1950s economic constructs.

You are, indeed, "oot"

Ok so i have spent my day going through the conveyancing which i had to do because this is a large chunk of change for me. I also kept a little eye out for the 40% nay 70% of eu law. I had to go through a few covenants, building contracts and a niggly border dispute with a neighbour who was throwing the book at my vendor because of a 3inch intrusion from a planter ffs!!. At the end i spoke to my lawyer and said i had a few wording changes but nothing significant. But i could have asked (from davemonkeys advice) hang on what about the european credit mortgage thingy but knew he would reply with "listen Johnyboy stop talkin out of your elbow, you are not even arranging a mortgage" and that would be something with the mortgage company, not conveyancing right? Right so i didnt ask. But then i thought i better tell Paul (cos he has done my legals for 20 years) ....but Paul surely atleast 40% nay 70% of this contract is missing because i cant find any mention of the eu cross border underpants law or any other eu law for that matter. I am sure that there may be some overarching eu law that protects consumers and prevents unfair practice but i honestly could not find one. So what should i do with davesmonkey advice .....i should maybe ask Paul but you can probably imagine his response. You know what i should probably change my lawyer for being too uk centric.
But ....in defence i do have a credit agreement for my mobile, although all the key stuff is ofcourse under uk law of contract but again there is an overarching agreement under eu law that will force mobile companies to lower their roaming charges but surely thats a good thing right?
And then i thought about 6 months ago i had to do jury service and sat on 3 jurys and i swear not once did i hear any mention of eu laws in the charges that the 3 defendents faced....although again there are some overarching pesky european human rights laws right? Well youd probably hope so? But it remains true to say 99% oc my day to day experience of legal matters are completely unaffected by eu law.
And then i just thought this 40% nay 70% claim distorts the so called facts.
Take Hoofs example that we will all be living under Sharia law if we vote remain. I took it as a joke hence my shiraz reply...it was a joke right? But what is happening is that we taking these extremely remote possibilities and using this to push their case. Some could say that there is also a possibility that Hoof will have a sex change, start supporting Brighton and start dancing classes. Highly unlikely in my opinion and i know he will calling me silly and facetious (should actually take it as a compliment Hoof cos i think you are the least likely poster on here to start dance classes)....but it is not impossible is it. But then if i start using this tiny possibility as the basis for my case, i should be told that i am at best exaggerrating or actually being completely misleading or even offensive. And so it is with all this legal talk of 40% nay 70% of our laws coming from the eu and i will bet any of you 50 lap dances (your up Hoof -first gig) if you can tell me that in your DAY TO DAY experience of legal matters you are severely or negtively impacted by eu law. I defer to my more learned legal friends ofcourse!!

"Muppets" as you amusingly refer to them (I'm sure someone will be offended on their behalf).... exist on all sides of the political spectrum.

For years voters in places like South Wales, Sunderland and Glasgow have turned up in their numbers to vote Labour without knowing about manifesto's or anything else except the message drummed in to their feeble minds "Labour is for the working classes".

Now those "muppets" aren't voting the way you want, they are to be despised and ridiculed.

Maybe a lot of them have now realised that when they voted for Tony Blair in 97 and later Brown - they had shafted the working classes by allowing millions of foreigners into our country driving down wages and causing house price rises and delays in seeing your GP, or getting your kids in a local school etc.

You can't blame the "muppets" for waking up and smelling the coffee.

Tell you what was really interesting from my exchanges with him: the word "sn1gger" is verboten on here!

That was about all that was interesting about it...

Yeah, of course. That is why you wrote 3,000 words or summat in reply, Because you weren't 'interested'.

I repeat - if you think Switzerland have the potential to drum up $40trillion dollars worth of trade because they don't belong to a 'bloc' all I can say is Ralph Wiggum would make a better economist. And that's being cruel to Ralph. So can Costa Rica in that case and The Faroe Islands. They aren't in a 'bloc' either.

Thank fvck you are on the 'out' side. Keep up the good work.

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The intelligent voters will drill down on detail and work out the pros and cons and how it will affect them, their family, the environment, the economy etc.

The "Muppets" as you continue to amusingly refer to those less engaged in politics, are motivated by simple stark messages that they can identify with or paint pictures in their minds.

Right now, the threat of the country being overrun worries them more than the economy suffering... hence vote Out/Leave.

The remain camp need to up the ante to convince them.