With respect, and i do have respect for Lord Trimble because of his deklerk moment in securing the peace, but your claim would have considerably more weight had it come from a nationalist source let alone the more hardline republicans.....but surely we can all see that if the EHRA is replaced with a BRITISH bill of rights this may cause issues and whilst its easy to say to republicans "tough luck we are still British" it just will not be acceptable.....and so all the sh@t starts again....this just seems naive to me

You know what Hoof, you are right, its all too irrelevant and tiresome for a sunday morning....i'm off to enjoy the sunshine and suggest you all do the same

Has there ever been a more blatant piece of scaremongering by David buffoon this morning, he's going on about if we pull out of the EU, there is a real prospect of war !!! They must getting worried that the out campaign is gaining momentum to resort to mentioning the battle of Britain as a reason to stay in the EU.

Cameron you utter long piece.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

This is what makes democracy works, no one decides who can and cannot have a say (well more or less, as Prisoners and members of the Lords make up the core can't vote - for the most part even the mentally ill get to vote).

Because its the only way to ensure that the people are represented in a democracy, to give every citizen the vote.

The only problem now, is that the system is rigged to make some votes count less than others, based on where you live. But that's a different question.

Proportional representation, and were about as close to democratic ideals as you can get without having a referendum on every subject (which technologically speaking is viable).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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The security argument is back out again.

Yes the intelligence has likely stopped a few potential terrorists entering but apparently offered us no visibility of Lithunian criminal records, not that we'd be able to deny entry to convicted murderers anyway.

Neither is true, because the EU doesn't have its own intelligence agency, that connects the national agencies of each country. Which it really should, possibly along with a 'federal' agency for law enforcement (for crimes with cross national or multi-national jurisdictions).

Problems like human trafficking can't really be resolved nationally and internationally at present without a great endeavour and running into different legal requirements in different countries (and different priorities in those countries).

These probably are two real functions that the EU requires, effectively a law enforcement arm and intelligence services. The current relationship between intelligence services is pretty poor in terms of national intelligence, but good in terms of foreign intelligence.

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I've been undecided but having heard Cameron say that to vote out risks a war has made my mind up. I've long thought that a good war is the only way to sort the whole mess out and we can all go back and start again, so I'm voting out.

Bit like pressing Ctrl Alt Del on your computer.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Indeed - it's merely one in the myriad Brexit scare-stories concocted by these pro-EU nutters. It's all irrelevant when (apparently) WW3 is coming if we leave.

According to them, the end of the world is nigh and there will an immediate cessation of trade with the EU if we leave !!!!

Ah it was such a splendid sunday afternoon enjoying the sunshine with Hoof. We know we are just footsoldiers for our respective causes so things could remain cordial for one day only. I explained to him that doing an economics degree wasnt entirely useless and indeed i learned some valuable life skills, like pool sharking, lighting farts and being able to drink a pint of bitter in 2.5 seconds. Hoof nodded in approval. I also commented that i didnt receive one bet for my compelling offer of 50 lap dances if any of his regiment could say that 99% of their DAY TO DAY legal stuff is not covered by uk law, but not even a single punt even from the more vocal members of the regiment including cucking, davemonkey, willo and Dannyh. "Them blo$dy english! Just cant rely on em" He hoofed. "You cant say THAT, i protested, thats bigoted" to which he replied "dont be a t*** johnyboy" er ok then but does this mean that there is a possibility you will become a Brighton supporter? Or perhaps danny, davemonkey, willo and cucking are softening towards the remain campaign? Hoof remained eerily silent.
We knew however that the sunny sunday could not last and that we had to return to our trenches the next day when talk of war would no doubt reemerge because some of us truly believe that the eu, with trade inderdependency, diplomacy and a shared economically prosperous future has led to the longest period of european peacetime - 80 YEARS! the longest of the last millenia (i accept i will be corrected on this one). As i left i understood that Hoof would be trying to get me in a half nelson, or beating seven bells of cyber stuffing out of me the next, "its all for King and country, you understand Johnyboy" hoof called out. "Yeh i understand hoof" i shrugged resigned to the knowledge that even with the impending threat of war announced by HIS prime-minister this morning, the real threat of Brexit still exists