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Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 02 Nov 18 1.50pm Send a Private Message to Dannyh.V2 Add Dannyh.V2 as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Your whole argument is based on some supporters being better than others, which is fundamentally wrong.

No it is not. dick heads that run on the pitch pissed, or go looking for trouble are not good "fans" Fans that sing their collective heart out, are excellent fans, fans that turn up and watch the game are good fans, but your very liberal outlook that all fans are the same, is in your own words "fundamentally" not wrong as such, but certainly flawed.

A season ticket is sold on the basis, that it can be renewed at the end of the period for the seat allocated.

Delete "basis" insert assumption.

If you look at big clubs that have waiting lists for season tickets, they don’t refuse to renew on the basis that other fans now want them. It’s done on a wait until the current occupiers no longer want them.

No one is saying they can't renew their season tickets, just that they may have to move or do you know more than anyone else, I'm guessing not.

This has been the way football clubs have operated for years.
The creation of a superior fan that can have any seat they want, would not be entertained by 99% of football clubs as it is a dangerous route to take.

Sensationalism at it's best, do you write headlines for the sun ? I'm only asking because it's not about fans asking to sit where they want. They club have decided a singing section behind the goal would be a good idea. I happen to agree with that idea.

It's called progress, or change. Why are people so afraid by change. I just don't get it.

 

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fan Flag Caterham 02 Nov 18 2.51pm Send a Private Message to fan Add fan as a friend

The more I read about SP and how he treats loyal fans the more I respect the late Leicester Chairman. Knew how to treat the fans and he like SP bought their club when times were hard. SP take note that is how to run a club and respect loyal fans

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Nov 18 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

I think it’s an English and/or British trait to be afraid of change. It’s actually more a trait the older you get, and the age demographic is rising in football, and so the seats are taken by people for decades and areas become more and more sedate.

This has been discussed on either this thread or the BBS one. There’s some good posts regarding response to change at work.

Maybe the British trait is to do with the empire and everyone adapting to us, speaking English wherever we go.

Embrace this change, because it’s happening.

 


COYP

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Nov 18 2.58pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by fan

The more I read about SP and how he treats loyal fans the more I respect the late Leicester Chairman. Knew how to treat the fans and he like SP bought their club when times were hard. SP take note that is how to run a club and respect loyal fans

He sounds like he was a well liked and respected chap, but Leicester dishes out embarrassing clappers to all the home fans, so let’s not pretend the club’s handling of the modern day atmosphere issue was something to admire.

 


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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 02 Nov 18 3.07pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Fans that sing their collective heart out, are excellent fans, fans that turn up and watch the game are good fans,

Sorry Danny, but, really?

Is that how you & others see (our) fans? I sit/stand sing, clap(with HANDS) jump up n down when we score(not that often, I know), but why does that ONLY make us 'good' fans, when the 'excellent' fans as you described, who sing their collective heart out mostly don't even WATCH the game coz their backs are turned away?

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Nov 18 3.12pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

All very valid points dannyh, however will this singing section be sitting down, because it was all well and good them standing when they were in the corner and didn't interfere with anyone's view (apart perhaps of a few when a corner was being taken on the AW side of the ground)? However, now they are moving to the middle, if they all stand then those on either side of them will have continually restricted views themselves unless they too stand and then those next to them will have to stand etc etc.

Does anyone know if this has been thought through properly because I can see more complaints arising through this than anything else and as it is supposed to be an all seater stadium there would be valid justification for those complaints.

Look, I have no problem with standing areas as I would prefer to stand myself at a football game, but you can see this is going to cause a problem.

 

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bicycle repair man 02 Nov 18 3.13pm Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I think it’s an English and/or British trait to be afraid of change. It’s actually more a trait the older you get, and the age demographic is rising in football, and so the seats are taken by people for decades and areas become more and more sedate.

This has been discussed on either this thread or the BBS one. There’s some good posts regarding response to change at work.

Maybe the British trait is to do with the empire and everyone adapting to us, speaking English wherever we go.

Embrace this change, because it’s happening.

At the end of your ageist rants you always end with "it's happening",as if you're not convinced it is,and are reassuring yourself.

 

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bicycle repair man 02 Nov 18 3.22pm Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

All very valid points dannyh, however will this singing section be sitting down, because it was all well and good them standing when they were in the corner and didn't interfere with anyone's view (apart perhaps of a few when a corner was being taken on the AW side of the ground)? However, now they are moving to the middle, if they all stand then those on either side of them will have continually restricted views themselves unless they too stand and then those next to them will have to stand etc etc.

Does anyone know if this has been thought through properly because I can see more complaints arising through this than anything else and as it is supposed to be an all seater stadium there would be valid justification for those complaints.

Look, I have no problem with standing areas as I would prefer to stand myself at a football game, but you can see this is going to cause a problem.

The penny hasn't dropped for Parish that everyone in the lower tier will be affected,old and young.
That's why for example,Celtic have their standing/singing section in the corner so others aren't bothered,and can enjoy the match as they will.

 

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PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 02 Nov 18 3.25pm Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I think it’s an English and/or British trait to be afraid of change. It’s actually more a trait the older you get, and the age demographic is rising in football, and so the seats are taken by people for decades and areas become more and more sedate.

This has been discussed on either this thread or the BBS one. There’s some good posts regarding response to change at work.

Maybe the British trait is to do with the empire and everyone adapting to us, speaking English wherever we go.

Embrace this change, because it’s happening.

What a lot of bovine excrement you spout Mr Hedman. How dare you belittle older people by accusing them en bloc of being resistant to change. We oldies have seen more change in our lifetime than you probably ever will. I am not unique as an oldie and I have a laptop and a state of the art TV, I even have an I-phone. I do a lot of shopping on-line, book rail and air travel on line. However one thing I can't change is that due to age I can't stand up for an hour and a half in one place so when I do go to watch football or rugby I like to sit down. I'm not always silent by any means but I never go along with the moronic chanting that passes as singing these days.

As for the poster who states that fans who "sing" are better than those of us who have loved and supported, and still do, Crystal Palace FC all our lives from children well he can stick that sentiment right where the sun don't shine, in spades.

 


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bicycle repair man 02 Nov 18 3.39pm Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

What a lot of bovine excrement you spout Mr Hedman. How dare you belittle older people by accusing them en bloc of being resistant to change. We oldies have seen more change in our lifetime than you probably ever will. I am not unique as an oldie and I have a laptop and a state of the art TV, I even have an I-phone. I do a lot of shopping on-line, book rail and air travel on line. However one thing I can't change is that due to age I can't stand up for an hour and a half in one place so when I do go to watch football or rugby I like to sit down. I'm not always silent by any means but I never go along with the moronic chanting that passes as singing these days.

As for the poster who states that fans who "sing" are better than those of us who have loved and supported, and still do, Crystal Palace FC all our lives from children well he can stick that sentiment right where the sun don't shine, in spades.


Well said sir.
I'm a bit fed up with all these condescending Peter Pan's.

 

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est1905 Flag 02 Nov 18 5.22pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

I think this is about spot on Willo. They clearly are missed. Well done for them for being ballsy about it and giving up their season tickets. Clearly it will divide fans but for the long run it’s the best for the club. The majority are happy.

I for one can’t wait for next season. For what it’s worth, I’ve recently started a new job and one of the guys in the office is part of the HF (more fringe really). He tells me they are still attending but are spread out now. Effectively they’re supporting the team the same way as everyone else now.

What the hell is 'ballsy' about giving up a season ticket? What a moronic statement.
There is zero courage involved in deciding to stop attanding a football match. Some might say the opposite!
They gave up their tickets because they are not as into supporting Palace as the rest of us. End of.
If that wasn't the case they would have entered into discussion while continuing to support the team. Theres no way anyone will ever convince me otherwise.

 

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est1905 Flag 02 Nov 18 5.25pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

So it seems the Holmesdale Fanatics/Ultras
are only prepared to be Fanatics/Ultras if they get the best seats in the Lower Holmesdale.
And are happy to put Palace's current campaign at risk, because in their view the players really need the "atmosphere" they create to win points at Selhurst Park.So they are willing to risk Palace getting relegated to get their own way !
In my 50 years of attending Selhurst Park this is the most bizarre way of showing support for the Palace I have ever known.
Also I am curious as to how they can say they have the backing of the vast majority of supporters, where's the proof, apart from the comedy petition.

Those who participate in message board forums are a fraction of Palace's actual support. Most supporters I speak to at the actual game have little time or respect for the (part time) HF

 

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