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Kermit8 Hevon 16 Oct 17 9.39am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The people of Japan reject immigration with its multiculturalism and inevitable breakdown of social cohesion. I guess they just don't want the fifth columnists either. [Link] Japan is richer than us and is currently reducing its debt despite its aging population. Automation will, in part, solve the aging crises.....in their case faster than in ours because their need is greater. The rate of age expectancy in the UK is slowing but continuing to rise. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 9.32am) And this obsession with Japan is relevant to the UK how? We can't turn the clock back and send 'them' 'home'. They are home. Most. I would also argue that the biggest breakdown in social cohesion here had its nascence in the 80's not with immigration but with swathes of the north and other less fortunate areas being laid waste by ill thought out Government policy. Had you heard of chavs, Asbos, mass homelessness and the underclass before 1980? No, me neither. Edited by Kermit8 (16 Oct 2017 9.44am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 16 Oct 17 9.39am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The people of Japan reject immigration with its multiculturalism and inevitable breakdown of social cohesion. I guess they just don't want the fifth columnists either.

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Japan is richer than us and is currently reducing its debt despite its aging population. Automation will, in part, solve the aging crises.....in their case faster than in ours because their need is greater.

The rate of age expectancy in the UK is slowing but continuing to rise.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 9.32am)

And this obsession with Japan is relevant to the UK how? We can't turn the clock back and send 'them' 'home'. They are home. Most.

I would also argue that the biggest breakdown in social cohesion here had its nascence in the 80's not with immigration but with swathes of the north and other less fortunate areas being laid waste by ill thought out Government policy.

Had you heard of chavs, Asbos, mass homelessness and the underclass before 1980? No, me neither.

Edited by Kermit8 (16 Oct 2017 9.44am)

Big chest and massive boobs

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 17 9.39am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The people of Japan reject immigration with its multiculturalism and inevitable breakdown of social cohesion. I guess they just don't want the fifth columnists either. [Link] Japan is richer than us and is currently reducing its debt despite its aging population. Automation will, in part, solve the aging crises.....in their case faster than in ours because their need is greater. The rate of age expectancy in the UK is slowing but continuing to rise. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 9.32am) Not so there is always demand for immigrants in Japan to work on the railways.

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Oct 17 9.39am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The people of Japan reject immigration with its multiculturalism and inevitable breakdown of social cohesion. I guess they just don't want the fifth columnists either.

[Link]

The rate of age expectancy in the UK is slowing but continuing to rise.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 9.32am)

Not so there is always demand for immigrants in Japan to work on the railways.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Oct 17 9.42am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Not so there is always demand for immigrants in Japan to work on the railways. Careful. You might get the bullet with comments like that.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 16 Oct 17 9.42am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Not so there is always demand for immigrants in Japan to work on the railways.

Careful. You might get the bullet with comments like that.

Stirlingsays 16 Oct 17 10.13am
Originally posted by Kermit8 And this obsession with Japan is relevant to the UK how? We can't turn the clock back and send 'them' 'home'. They are home. Most. Really Kermy? So all those lies we have had to listen to about immigration should just go unchallenged? Have we not been debating the benefits and negatives of differing levels and rates of immigration into this country? My point is that we need a controlled rate and I would suggest a secular only one. I only just pointed out the other day the watch lists and number of M15 investigations we have to put up with because the left want their 'internationalism'. Originally posted by Kermit8 I would also argue that the biggest breakdown in social cohesion here had its nascence in the 80's not with immigration but with swathes of the north and other less fortunate areas being laid waste by ill thought out Government policy. Had you heard of chavs, Asbos, mass homelessness and the underclass before 1980? No, me neither. The north has suffered in comparison with the south since William the Conqueror laid waste to it. Social cohesion is a multi faceted area but your willingness to ignore its principle reason for damage is just a denial of reality that the Brexit vote shoved into your mush. All those problems have been with us as a society....a date of 1980 is meaningless.....different buzzwords for old realities that's all. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Oct 17 10.13am

Originally posted by Kermit8

And this obsession with Japan is relevant to the UK how? We can't turn the clock back and send 'them' 'home'. They are home. Most.

Really Kermy? So all those lies we have had to listen to about immigration should just go unchallenged? Have we not been debating the benefits and negatives of differing levels and rates of immigration into this country? My point is that we need a controlled rate and I would suggest a secular only one.

I only just pointed out the other day the watch lists and number of M15 investigations we have to put up with because the left want their 'internationalism'.

Originally posted by Kermit8

Had you heard of chavs, Asbos, mass homelessness and the underclass before 1980? No, me neither.

The north has suffered in comparison with the south since William the Conqueror laid waste to it.

Social cohesion is a multi faceted area but your willingness to ignore its principle reason for damage is just a denial of reality that the Brexit vote shoved into your mush.

All those problems have been with us as a society....a date of 1980 is meaningless.....different buzzwords for old realities that's all.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 17 10.23am
Originally posted by nickgusset Bad news in the Telegraph... [Tweet Link] So translated in language the ordinary punter can understand the economy is actually screwed by brexit.

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Oct 17 10.23am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Bad news in the Telegraph...

[Tweet Link]

So translated in language the ordinary punter can understand the economy is actually screwed by brexit.

Kermit8 Hevon 16 Oct 17 10.39am
"My point is that we need a controlled rate and I would suggest a secular only one." You need to qualify that Stirling old chap otherwise you are basically saying that all Christians, Jews, Muslims, Animists, Quakers and others would, basically, banned from being considered for immigration status. That knocks out most Italians, Spanish, Israelis, a lot of Americans, many Indians, Turkish, etc, even if they have unique skills, scientific, academic, engineering, creative, that would enhance us. Fair enough if you are, saying that. Extreme imo but one rule for all I am assuming so no grey area. Legal minefield though and would lead to a terrible breakdown of social cohesion. Broken up families what with some members being religious and some not, that kind of thing. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 16 Oct 17 10.39am

"My point is that we need a controlled rate and I would suggest a secular only one."

You need to qualify that Stirling old chap otherwise you are basically saying that all Christians, Jews, Muslims, Animists, Quakers and others would, basically, banned from being considered for immigration status. That knocks out most Italians, Spanish, Israelis, a lot of Americans, many Indians, Turkish, etc, even if they have unique skills, scientific, academic, engineering, creative, that would enhance us.

Fair enough if you are, saying that. Extreme imo but one rule for all I am assuming so no grey area. Legal minefield though and would lead to a terrible breakdown of social cohesion.

Broken up families what with some members being religious and some not, that kind of thing.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Stirlingsays 16 Oct 17 10.52am
Originally posted by Kermit8 "My point is that we need a controlled rate and I would suggest a secular only one." You need to qualify that Stirling old chap otherwise you are basically saying that all Christians, Jews, Muslims, Animists, Quakers and others would, basically, banned from being considered for immigration status. That knocks out most Italians, Spanish, Israelis, a lot of Americans, many Indians, Turkish, etc, even if they have unique skills, scientific, academic, engineering, creative, that would enhance us. Fair enough if you are, saying that. Extreme imo but one rule for all I am assuming so no grey area. Legal minefield though and would lead to a terrible breakdown of social cohesion. Broken up families what with some members being religious and some not, that kind of thing. Secular means accepting that there is a separation between religion and state and that the state holds primacy. You can hold your religion dear and also be secular. We only need secular people in this country.....it's an unfortunate reality that we haven't had this view over the last fifty years. Instead people with your beliefs have led us to our current state.....we would have far less problems in cohesion and public safety if those beliefs had followed my simple request. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 10.54am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Oct 17 10.52am

Originally posted by Kermit8

"My point is that we need a controlled rate and I would suggest a secular only one."

Fair enough if you are, saying that. Extreme imo but one rule for all I am assuming so no grey area. Legal minefield though and would lead to a terrible breakdown of social cohesion.

Broken up families what with some members being religious and some not, that kind of thing.

Secular means accepting that there is a separation between religion and state and that the state holds primacy.

You can hold your religion dear and also be secular. We only need secular people in this country.....it's an unfortunate reality that we haven't had this view over the last fifty years. Instead people with your beliefs have led us to our current state.....we would have far less problems in cohesion and public safety if those beliefs had followed my simple request.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 10.54am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Oct 17 11.10am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Secular means accepting that there is a separation between religion and state and that the state holds primacy. You can hold your religion dear and also be secular. We only need secular people in this country.....it's an unfortunate reality that we haven't had this view over the last fifty years. Instead people with your beliefs have led us to our current state.....we would have far less problems in cohesion and public safety if those beliefs had followed my simple request. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 10.54am) What beliefs? That millions of innocent people shouldn't be judged by the actions of some t*ty extremists? On your church state secular society. Are you going to tell Liz to f* off, what with her being quite high up in the CofE.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 16 Oct 17 11.10am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Secular means accepting that there is a separation between religion and state and that the state holds primacy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 10.54am)

What beliefs? That millions of innocent people shouldn't be judged by the actions of some t***ty extremists?

On your church state secular society. Are you going to tell Liz to f*** off, what with her being quite high up in the CofE.

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 17 11.10am
Brexit: Ministers try to push through plans for £100m royal yacht as EU talks remain deadlocked. Just what we need as 490 billions 'disappears' from the UK accounts due to brexit. Johnson and co just running loose.

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Oct 17 11.10am

Brexit: Ministers try to push through plans for £100m royal yacht as EU talks remain deadlocked.

Just what we need as 490 billions 'disappears' from the UK accounts due to brexit.

Johnson and co just running loose.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Oct 17 11.13am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Brexit: Ministers try to push through plans for £100m royal yacht as EU talks remain deadlocked. Just what we need as 490 billions 'disappears' from the UK accounts due to brexit. Johnson and co just running loose. But the yacht will go around the world drumming up trade for Blighty. Like that episode of top gear I think.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 16 Oct 17 11.13am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Brexit: Ministers try to push through plans for £100m royal yacht as EU talks remain deadlocked.

Just what we need as 490 billions 'disappears' from the UK accounts due to brexit.

Johnson and co just running loose.

But the yacht will go around the world drumming up trade for Blighty. Like that episode of top gear I think.

Kermit8 Hevon 16 Oct 17 11.20am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Secular means accepting that there is a separation between religion and state and that the state holds primacy. You can hold your religion dear and also be secular. We only need secular people in this country.....it's an unfortunate reality that we haven't had this view over the last fifty years. Instead people with your beliefs have led us to our current state.....we would have far less problems in cohesion and public safety if those beliefs had followed my simple request. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 10.54am) Got it. So there would be a box to tick which said something like 'yes' or 'no' - do you believe that the clergy should govern the UK? And if they tick 'yes' immigration status denied. Wouldn't everyone tick 'no' though? Oh, yeah "people with my beliefs". Care to have a stab at what you perceive to be my beliefs in relation to the subject at hand so I can say whether you have hit the nail on the head or not? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 16 Oct 17 11.20am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Secular means accepting that there is a separation between religion and state and that the state holds primacy.

You can hold your religion dear and also be secular. We only need secular people in this country.....it's an unfortunate reality that we haven't had this view over the last fifty years. Instead people with your beliefs have led us to our current state.....we would have far less problems in cohesion and public safety if those beliefs had followed my simple request.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 10.54am)

Got it. So there would be a box to tick which said something like 'yes' or 'no' - do you believe that the clergy should govern the UK? And if they tick 'yes' immigration status denied.

Wouldn't everyone tick 'no' though?

Oh, yeah "people with my beliefs". Care to have a stab at what you perceive to be my beliefs in relation to the subject at hand so I can say whether you have hit the nail on the head or not?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Kermit8 Hevon 16 Oct 17 11.24am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Secular means accepting that there is a separation between religion and state and that the state holds primacy. You can hold your religion dear and also be secular. We only need secular people in this country.....it's an unfortunate reality that we haven't had this view over the last fifty years. Instead people with your beliefs have led us to our current state.....we would have far less problems in cohesion and public safety if those beliefs had followed my simple request. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 10.54am) Also, that would strike out JR Mogg as he has already said he takes his whip from The Vatican not No.10. Do you think he should be removed from office in that case? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 16 Oct 17 11.24am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Secular means accepting that there is a separation between religion and state and that the state holds primacy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 10.54am)

Also, that would strike out JR Mogg as he has already said he takes his whip from The Vatican not No.10. Do you think he should be removed from office in that case?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Stirlingsays 16 Oct 17 11.36am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Also, that would strike out JR Mogg as he has already said he takes his whip from The Vatican not No.10. Do you think he should be removed from office in that case? Where does Mogg say he doesn't accept secularism....he doesn't.....He's a member of parliament for goodness sake. His religion reflects his votes perhaps but he doesn't advocate for a theocracy and anyone suggesting otherwise is lying. Like I said and what doesn't seem to find a home....you can hold your religion dear but you have to accept the separation of religion and state and that the state hold primacy. Mogg's a democrat and does exactly that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Oct 17 11.36am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Also, that would strike out JR Mogg as he has already said he takes his whip from The Vatican not No.10. Do you think he should be removed from office in that case?

Where does Mogg say he doesn't accept secularism....he doesn't.....He's a member of parliament for goodness sake. His religion reflects his votes perhaps but he doesn't advocate for a theocracy and anyone suggesting otherwise is lying.

Like I said and what doesn't seem to find a home....you can hold your religion dear but you have to accept the separation of religion and state and that the state hold primacy.

Mogg's a democrat and does exactly that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 16 Oct 17 11.39am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Got it. So there would be a box to tick which said something like 'yes' or 'no' - do you believe that the clergy should govern the UK? And if they tick 'yes' immigration status denied. Wouldn't everyone tick 'no' though? Oh, yeah "people with my beliefs". Care to have a stab at what you perceive to be my beliefs in relation to the subject at hand so I can say whether you have hit the nail on the head or not? I would certainly agree that the Church of England should no longer hold positions of influence politically....been saying that for a long time. However, the CoE cause no cultural or security issues in this country. As for how we would set up a rejection of non secular people within the country I would have to think about it. Off the top of my head it would be by not allowing immigration from certain nationalities, as Trump has done. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Oct 17 11.39am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Got it. So there would be a box to tick which said something like 'yes' or 'no' - do you believe that the clergy should govern the UK? And if they tick 'yes' immigration status denied.

Wouldn't everyone tick 'no' though?

Oh, yeah "people with my beliefs". Care to have a stab at what you perceive to be my beliefs in relation to the subject at hand so I can say whether you have hit the nail on the head or not?

I would certainly agree that the Church of England should no longer hold positions of influence politically....been saying that for a long time.

However, the CoE cause no cultural or security issues in this country.

As for how we would set up a rejection of non secular people within the country I would have to think about it. Off the top of my head it would be by not allowing immigration from certain nationalities, as Trump has done.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 16 Oct 17 12.06pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 So translated in language the ordinary punter can understand the economy is actually screwed by brexit. Correct. But Brexit don't care, it about removing Jonny Foreigner. some of their thinking is moronic; religious but secular. lol ADJECTIVE not connected with religious or spiritual matters: Contrasted with sacred. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 16 Oct 17 12.06pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

So translated in language the ordinary punter can understand the economy is actually screwed by brexit.

Correct.

But Brexit don't care, it about removing Jonny Foreigner.

some of their thinking is moronic; religious but secular. lol

ADJECTIVE

not connected with religious or spiritual matters: Contrasted with sacred.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

hedgehog50 Croydon 16 Oct 17 12.13pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Also, that would strike out JR Mogg as he has already said he takes his whip from The Vatican not No.10. Do you think he should be removed from office in that case? Father John McDonnell trained as a Catholic priest - obviously a Vatican 'sleeper'. (As are all those St. Josephs oiks.) Edited by hedgehog50 (16 Oct 2017 12.14pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 16 Oct 17 12.13pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Also, that would strike out JR Mogg as he has already said he takes his whip from The Vatican not No.10. Do you think he should be removed from office in that case?

Father John McDonnell trained as a Catholic priest - obviously a Vatican 'sleeper'. (As are all those St. Josephs oiks.)

Edited by hedgehog50 (16 Oct 2017 12.14pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Stirlingsays 16 Oct 17 12.31pm
Originally posted by pefwin Correct. But Brexit don't care, it about removing Jonny Foreigner. some of their thinking is moronic; religious but secular. lol ADJECTIVE not connected with religious or spiritual matters: Contrasted with sacred. Ever hear of secular Jew you utter moron? You are amongst the biggest twerps ever to disgrace these boards. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Oct 17 12.31pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Correct.

But Brexit don't care, it about removing Jonny Foreigner.

some of their thinking is moronic; religious but secular. lol

ADJECTIVE

not connected with religious or spiritual matters: Contrasted with sacred.

Ever hear of secular Jew you utter moron?

You are amongst the biggest twerps ever to disgrace these boards.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 17 12.43pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ever hear of secular Jew you utter moron? You are amongst the biggest twerps ever to disgrace these boards. 'You are amongst the biggest twerps ever to disgrace these boards.' Only you would know...

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Oct 17 12.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ever hear of secular Jew you utter moron?

You are amongst the biggest twerps ever to disgrace these boards.

'You are amongst the biggest twerps ever to disgrace these boards.'

Only you would know...

Stirlingsays 16 Oct 17 12.45pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'You are amongst the biggest twerps ever to disgrace these boards.' Only you would know... You're another one: more sh1ts a day than brain cells. If the country didn't have you or her we would be better off. You should sod off to somewhere that wants you......Though if these boards are anything to judge by you'd be browsing a while. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 12.47pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Oct 17 12.45pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'You are amongst the biggest twerps ever to disgrace these boards.'

Only you would know...

You're another one: more sh1ts a day than brain cells. If the country didn't have you or her we would be better off. You should sod off to somewhere that wants you......Though if these boards are anything to judge by you'd be browsing a while.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 12.47pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 17 1.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You're another one: more sh1ts a day than brain cells. If the country didn't have you or her we would be better off. You should sod off to somewhere that wants you......Though if these boards are anything to judge by you'd be browsing a while. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 12.47pm) You need a Doctor.

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Oct 17 1.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 12.47pm)

You need a Doctor.

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