He knows what he is saying and he is disgusting.

I note the Fascists have totally ignored my point on fighting Franco but you know in the 1930s which side they would have been on.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

A war between fascists and communists? The soviets backed the communists and Hitler and Mussolini backed the fascists.

I would have stayed out of it and moved. I'm a democrat.

That said, I've read that most democrats who were there fought on the communists side....Orwell did...though he quickly became disillusioned with the communists...So if I were forced to pick a side I would have fought for them rather than Franco.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2017 1.36pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Why is it disgusting? Communists use concentration camps to kill their opponents. It is a valid reference.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

So points on the state of Brexit seem to be getting ignored on here (see points on Grayling's farming nonsense).

In an attempt to get back to matters on the mess at hand - OECD have pointed out that "that steep falls in the UK’s productivity performance relative to other major economies alied with the failure of its export industries to grab a slice of expanding world trade have left it in a weak position to operate outside the EU."

The UK is wholly unfit to be embarking on the kind of ramshackle Brexit being championed by the more hardline elements of the Tory party. They are representing no one but themselves and their financial backers.

The problems in our economy mean that this kind of Brexit is going to be worse than it would have been even with a strong economy. The economy needs fixing and Brexit could be managed in a way that would help heal some of the underlying problems. Tory mismanagement is making this impossible and is on the way to creating a poorer, more unequal and unfairer society post Brexit.

The marketplace of ideas is a meritocracy....it responds to its environment.

As long as you have a democracy protecting non violent freedom of speech it should work.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2017 1.33pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It is for the individual to decide all of those value judgements.......What are you proposing?....that 'elites' do? There is no such physical thing as perfection...efficiency as a metric yes..perfection no. We have popular and less popular....good enough and not so good.

That's why the marketplace of ideas works, because it's about which ideas can gain the most support.

Systems that don't work can be overthrown by more popular systems that work better.....because the overall infrastructure of majority consensus is maintained.

The marketplace of ideas only breaks down when the infrastructure of majority consensus is no longer maintained.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2017 1.57pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I don't think about stopping fascists. I don't think about fascists at all.

You are just an obsessed loon.

You have more in common with them than you think.

YOU SURE ARE!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Surely that is what Corbyn did at the last election to gain all the young students votes.....I could use the word "Flannel" instead of demagogue to be honest.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Really,so you agree with aggression then...wow just wow.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.