I think we both will have to agree that we regard each other as ignorent on this on Davemonkey, because as kermit has mentioned we can challenge these regulations etc and indeed British lawyers/commissioners are/were keenly involved in the drafting of these laws...and again they are in my opinion mostly beneficial anyway, just like the EHRA which was drafted mainly by British lawyers after WW2.
Again just this morning i was going through some articles of association. IMO companies can be a law unto themselves but again i saw no effect, and certainly nothing detrimental to me as a uk consumer/businessman even if you say it was transcribed or foisted on us from the eu..it works well TBH. i just wish there were some additional regulations placed on company directors to stop excessive dilution (cos i think im getting legged over) and excessive executive pay....but hopefully that will come.
To make us sit at the same table as the Gambia i.e. excluded from the key eu decision making is just absurd to me.....i mean Great Britain taking its place on the world stage sat next to the Gambia ffs....you couldnt make it up.
Similar to our earlier debate, which others found too borinv, about the nationalist and republicans in NI not wanting to sign up to a British bill of rights, you quoted Lord Trimble twice which again seems just seems absurd to me....ofcourse he wouldnt mind, he is a UNIONIST!! Incidentally, i think its only the DUP who have always been against the Good friday agreement, who want to vote leave. All other major parties in NI want to remain including lord trimbles own party the UUP.
Just in this last week or so we have had the treasury telling us each household will be worse of by £4300pa. The head of MI6 telling us we face higher secutity and terrorism risk in the event of brexit. The PM telling us that european peace is threatened by Brexit. Ex PM Gordon Brown telling us we would be better off solving the current major european issues of refugees, immigration etc by remaining in the eu and working with it and yesterday the head of the BofE saying that the biggest risk to the economy is from brexit and will bring higher inflation & unemployment and currency risks. I dont doubt that you will respond to each of these with: rubbish, scaremongering, he lacks credibility and he should keep his mouth shut, infact i am willing to bet you another 50 lap dances that these are your responses but again we will just agree to differ....but i certainly listen to these trusted and credible sources.
Lastly Matt's point about all this being somd kind of european fascist conspiracy couldnt be more ironic. The major risk to european prosperity and peace comes from the rise of far right wing nationalism. Just like mr trump in the states, who effectively says populist lines like"we love america right", "immigrants are taking your jobs", "every muslim is a terrorist supporter" and then thd solution is "lets build a wall all along the mexican border" "lets ban all muslims from entering the US" ....is frankly racist, stupid and dangerous....but righf wing facism is in europe as well, just listen to marine le pen of mr farage for that matter....

The irony is that's all the left take in to consideration.

Migration is good, with the benefit to the economy an afterthought when you're pressed to list the actual positives.

Workers rights existed already and still aren't in line with the continent where they work less, but the question remains of which workers you care about. Not our own evidently. Not the teachers with classes of 30+ children of EU migrants.

I respect my left leaning friends who are voting out to look after their own prospects. The rest of you are voting for socialist ideologies which you forget were implemented for the sake of cheap labour.

No, they voted 2:1 to leave the EEC.

The EEC and the EU are two very different animals.

"We can't ignore it, but we can challenge it". Haha. OK.

There are no HOC votes for EU regulations. They are binding legislative acts that are immediately enforceable by law. End of. The best you can do (on, for example, the argument of subsidiarity) is raise a (ahem) "yellow card" to the commission, to tell them you don't like what they themselves have concocted.

The procedure from there? They say. "Ok, thanks". Ignore you, and do it anyway:

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Before the "wibble wibble Cameron Red card!!! wibble". A red card is worse than useless:

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I'm under no directive to "try harder". Like I said - myopic misinformed idiots like you are far too entrenched to see any reason, logic or fact. I just hope some of the undecideds on here see the exchanges and learn something of what lies beneath the surface of the glossy "BSE" campaign, with their financial backing from 4 huge US banks (Goldman Sachs included) and associated EU-funded cronies.

(You'll attached find the answer as to why Corbyn has done a massive EU-turn after 40-years the sceptic)

The fact is that the far right are already rising across Europe because of social and economic pressures IMO brought about by the EU's insistence that we all hold hands and live happily ever after, so in effect the EU and it's deluded ministers are the drivers behind the biggest rise in right wing Politics across Europe since a certain Mr A Hitler.

The figures kind of speak for themselves but I am sure you can rubbish or marginalise them to suit your own agenda (bit of a trait of yours).The anti-immigration party Alternative for Germany, or AfD, made substantial gains in regional elections,marking a dangerous development in European politics.

This is not an isolated incident. Earlier this month, the far-right People’s Party made striking electoral gains in Slovakia, and around Europe far-right parties like Jobbik in Hungary, Golden Dawn in Greece and Marie Le Pen’s Front National in France are gaining in popularity. The NDP also won a seat in the European Parliament. Whilst in the UK UKIP are gaining popularity by the day.

People across Europe are becoming disaffected with Brussels and all it entails, and because the popular left and right are so laughably similar anyone, no matter what policies they have, as long as they are different is (dangerously gaining votes).

Only a return to self state governed leadership can resolve the issue.

Out.

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Constantly saying 'ha-ha' and 'lol' and calling people 'idiots' as well as your penchant for exaggeration is showing your immaturity, egotism, insecurity and that massive chip on your shoulder.

You need to be right. You have to be right.

What if you are not? Are you grown-up enough to cope?

I doubt it.

Your posts are very articulate and interesting though even if total grandstanding bollocks some parts of them are.