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 Kermit8  Hevon 17 Oct 17 7.37pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
True,but if the truth is known we have no idea how many potential jihadists we have here,or the ones that will be coming back from Syria or Iraqi. 850 from the UK left for Syria it has been reported recently and plenty of them would have been killed there or arrested on return or are just not coming back. What we don't know of course is how many lone wolves or groups there are here who are actually psycho enough to do something rather than just think about it. There's been about 25 in the last 13 years since the tube blasts who have plus those who were caught before they were able to. Edited by Kermit8 (17 Oct 2017 7.38pm)
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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 7.53pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
You are missing the point (probably deliberately),in your world we should be more worried about a couple of hundred bonehead idiots than the over 3000 active terrorists that the security services are monitoring. No. In my world if I am arguing about what I think are the wrongs in far right political party in a European country I don't expect the response to be. ' But you support terrorists.' If your defence to me pointing out the rise in fascistic attitudes is terrorist supporter or Communist then it really shows there is no counter argument. It also suggests that you actually quite like the fact there are more hate crimes and far right parties gaining traction across Europe. For ex military that is an obscene attitude to have considering the lives given to stop fascism by any means necessary.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 7.55pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
You said 'by any means necessary'. Do you really mean 'by any means necessary apart from concentration camps'? I am going on about communists because they are as ruthless in their 'means' as fascists are. Both use phrases like 'by any means necessary'. Stop being a pillock
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| elgrande bedford 17 Oct 17 8.10pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No. In my world if I am arguing about what I think are the wrongs in far right political party in a European country I don't expect the response to be. ' But you support terrorists.' If your defence to me pointing out the rise in fascistic attitudes is terrorist supporter or Communist then it really shows there is no counter argument. It also suggests that you actually quite like the fact there are more hate crimes and far right parties gaining traction across Europe. For ex military that is an obscene attitude to have considering the lives given to stop fascism by any means necessary. Number one,i have never said that i like the fact " far right parties" have gained momentum.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Oct 17 8.16pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
It was people like him that invented concentration camps in the Second Boer War. A report after the war concluded that 27,927 Boers (of whom 22,074 were children under 16) and 14,154 black Africans had died of starvation, disease and exposure in the camps. Perhaps in modern history the British were the first to use phrases like 'by any means necessary'? Who, me or gusset? Seems an odd claim to make for either of us!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 8.19pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Number one,i have never said that i like the fact " far right parties" have gained momentum. I did make a load of s*** up about you deliberately in the hope it will make you pause and contemplate before making up s*** about me. Ok?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 8.20pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
OK, so you agree with what Antifa do. Incredible. So smashing up property and violence against people and cops is justified, just because sometimes you get a few Nazis! Do you not understand that Antifa are fascist by shutting down anyone whose views they don't agree with? Definition of fascism. You agree with political violence. You are a domestic terrorist sympathiser. You've nailed your colours to the mast. Part of the far left. Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 8.24pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 8.31pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The stats are literally just ringing up to report a hate crime, it's not actually hate crimes that have happened. So how has leaving the EU meant that people with disability or being transgender, for example, have had more abuse at them? Explain that? Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 8.27pm) Smallminded t***s feel emboldened? I can't believe you are looking for excuses. There are dozens of reports about hate crime. Can you find a peer reviewed argument that it's just people making it up. The white man is pished cos he sure is getting called out on a lot of things lately. Uncomfortable isn't it? Edited by nickgusset (17 Oct 2017 8.34pm)
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| elgrande bedford 17 Oct 17 8.32pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I did make a load of s*** up about you deliberately in the hope it will make you pause and contemplate before making up s*** about me. Ok? What that you are stupid and childish...i stand by that.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 17 Oct 17 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The stats are literally just ringing up to report a hate crime, it's not actually hate crimes that have happened. So how has leaving the EU meant that people with disability or being transgender, for example, have had more abuse at them? Explain that? Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 8.27pm) Because people who have horrific far-right views thought they had 'won' with the referendum and now feel a bit more emboldened. If you are wondering why disabled or others not so obvious are more targeted now than perhaps a year or so ago then I suggest you look at the demographic of victims at Auschwitz and what far-right violent nutters are capable of. It wasn't just Jewish people.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 8.36pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
What that you are stupid and childish...i stand by that. If you want to fling made up bollocks, be my guest, just don't complain if I throw some back.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 17 Oct 17 8.37pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I'd say an ideology was a system of ideas/ideals that underpin political and economic policy. How they interact and how they are proposed to be delivered is quite important I think. That is the application of ideology, not ideology.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 17 Oct 17 8.41pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Why are you going on about communists? Why are you bringing up concentration camps? How have you made that leap? f***ing incredible. I think you need to retract your final solution comment. Didn't Katie Hopkins lose a job for that. Why do you keep avoiding questions today I wonder. Is it because you realise that we have rumbled you for the far left fascist you are?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 8.49pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Smallminded t***s feel emboldened? I can't believe you are looking for excuses. There are dozens of reports about hate crime. Can you find a peer reviewed argument that it's just people making it up. The white man is pished cos he sure is getting called out on a lot of things lately. Uncomfortable isn't it? Edited by nickgusset (17 Oct 2017 8.34pm) So you are comparing Nazis to EU voters. WOW! You've pulled up an opinion piece for the New York Times as evidence to back this up. And you're a teacher too!
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| Stirlingsays 17 Oct 17 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Because people who have horrific far-right views thought they had 'won' with the referendum and now feel a bit more emboldened. If you are wondering why disabled or others not so obvious are more targeted now than perhaps a year or so ago then I suggest you look at the demographic of victims at Auschwitz and what far-right violent nutters are capable of. It wasn't just Jewish people. ? Who are these people with 'horrific far-right views' that you compare with the exterminators at Auschwitz?...Leave voters?......blimey! Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Oct 2017 8.52pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 8.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Why do you keep avoiding questions today I wonder. Is it because you realise that we have rumbled you for the far left fascist you are?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 8.55pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Because people who have horrific far-right views thought they had 'won' with the referendum and now feel a bit more emboldened. If you are wondering why disabled or others not so obvious are more targeted now than perhaps a year or so ago then I suggest you look at the demographic of victims at Auschwitz and what far-right violent nutters are capable of. It wasn't just Jewish people. What you are saying is not only totally erroneous, but deeply disrespectful to people who were killed by the Nazis.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 8.57pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
So you are comparing Nazis to EU voters. WOW! You've pulled up an opinion piece for the New York Times as evidence to back this up. And you're a teacher too! I'm not comparing Nazis to EU voters. I thought you were bright but obviously have to spell it out for you. You said how come there's been a rise in hate crime on the disabled and trans. The link discusses Nazi ill treatment of the disabled (there are other more scholarly articles I could have chosen, Google it)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 17 Oct 17 8.59pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
'Oh dear' all you like. You have been exposed.
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