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 Penge Eagle  Beckenham 17 Oct 17 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'm not comparing Nazis to EU voters. I thought you were bright but obviously have to spell it out for you. You said how come there's been a rise in hate crime on the disabled and trans. The link discusses Nazi ill treatment of the disabled (there are other more scholarly articles I could have chosen, Google it) I think you are making the comparison Nick, why mention it then? You have far left views, so everyone who is the right of Stalin is a RACIST and NAZI!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 9.02pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
What you are saying is not only totally erroneous, but deeply disrespectful to people who were killed by the Nazis. No it isn't. Anyone putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring the fact that hate crimes are going up and blaming others when far right parties are getting a foothold across Europe is tacitly spitting on the graves of those that died fighting Nazis and fascists.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 9.08pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I think you are making the comparison Nick, why mention it then? You have far left views, so everyone who is the right of Stalin is a RACIST and NAZI! Absolute cobblers. Stalin was a c***. Communism hasn't really worked. Marx had some very good ideas. So all the dead cat look at communism arguments rather than discussing the rise of fascism falls on deaf ears hear I'm afraid. Hate crimes are up post Brexit. Thems the facts. Face them, don't excuse them otherwise it sorta looks bad on you. Communism has nothing to do with it.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Oct 17 9.11pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No it isn't. Anyone putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring the fact that hate crimes are going up and blaming others when far right parties are getting a foothold across Europe is tacitly spitting on the graves of those that died fighting Nazis and fascists. Current 'hate crimes' practice means anyone, anywhere, can report something they either experienced or witnessed, anonymously if they like. No evidence is needed. Everything is instantly logged as a hate incident. The figures resulting from this absurdity are worthless.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Oct 17 9.12pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Absolute cobblers. Stalin was a c***. Communism hasn't really worked. Marx had some very good ideas. So all the dead cat look at communism arguments rather than discussing the rise of fascism falls on deaf ears hear I'm afraid. Hate crimes are up post Brexit. Thems the facts. Face them, don't excuse them otherwise it sorta looks bad on you. Communism has nothing to do with it. Please tell!
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 9.13pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No it isn't. Anyone putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring the fact that hate crimes are going up and blaming others when far right parties are getting a foothold across Europe is tacitly spitting on the graves of those that died fighting Nazis and fascists. You keep changing the argument! The rise in hate crime is specifically about Brexit UK, you said. For example, mean tweets are now included under the 'hate crime' stats. There are now police departments set up to register all of these. Part of the reason for the rise. And just for the record, I am against any kind of racist, homophobic, disability abuse. But I tend to look into stories a bit more than just the fear mongering headlines! Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 9.14pm)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Absolute cobblers. Stalin was a c***. Communism hasn't really worked. Marx had some very good ideas. So all the dead cat look at communism arguments rather than discussing the rise of fascism falls on deaf ears hear I'm afraid. Hate crimes are up post Brexit. Thems the facts. Face them, don't excuse them otherwise it sorta looks bad on you. Communism has nothing to do with it. You've lost any kind of moral high ground in the last hour by condoning political violence.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 17 Oct 17 9.24pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No it isn't. Anyone putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring the fact that hate crimes are going up and blaming others when far right parties are getting a foothold across Europe is tacitly spitting on the graves of those that died fighting Nazis and fascists. What absolute twaddle. You can't seriously compare Britain in 2017 to Nazi Germany.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 9.25pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
You've lost any kind of moral high ground in the last hour by condoning political violence. I've lost moral high ground by saying fascism should be stopped by any means necessary. Hmm. I wonder how Churchill or the thousands and thousands of those who gave their lives would feel about this. I've lost moral high ground because I said hate crimes are up and you said it was people making it up.
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cardiff eagle  17 Oct 17 9.26pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Absolute cobblers. Stalin was a c***. Communism hasn't really worked. Marx had some very good ideas. So all the dead cat look at communism arguments rather than discussing the rise of fascism falls on deaf ears hear I'm afraid. Hate crimes are up post Brexit. Thems the facts. Face them, don't excuse them otherwise it sorta looks bad on you. Communism has nothing to do with it. All crime is up in the last year. Is knife crime and gang related crime also due to brexit also? I would actually argue that a combination of a) lower police numbers and b) terroist attacks such as Manchester and London are more likely to have incited hate yet you don't seem to be blaming them?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 9.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What absolute twaddle. You can't seriously compare Britain in 2017 to Nazi Germany. I'm not.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 9.29pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I've lost moral high ground by saying fascism should be stopped by any means necessary. Hmm. I wonder how Churchill or the thousands and thousands of those who gave their lives would feel about this. I've lost moral high ground because I said hate crimes are up and you said it was people making it up.
I am against fascism too! But NOT through violence. But it should be stopped by the police, not be put in the hands of thugs! Antifa are the fascists - by means of them stopping speech on multiple occasions. NO the stats are now recorded differently! Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 9.31pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 17 Oct 17 9.30pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I've lost moral high ground by saying fascism should be stopped by any means necessary. Hmm. I wonder how Churchill or the thousands and thousands of those who gave their lives would feel about this. I've lost moral high ground because I said hate crimes are up and you said it was people making it up.
Churchill was not fighting fascism. He was fighting a military force that threatened all of Europe. Most soldiers were fighting for their mates.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by cardiff eagle
All crime is up in the last year. Is knife crime and gang related crime also due to brexit also? I would actually argue that a combination of a) lower police numbers and b) terroist attacks such as Manchester and London are more likely to have incited hate yet you don't seem to be blaming them? Of course they are important. The perps of those attacks are scum. And yes it will make people angry. But are people really so thick that they have to take it out on someone because they are brown. On the subject of an increase in hate crime on disabled people , I've seen hate crime described as backward, a private hate, something outside the public arena, the kind of thing driven by the very public, officially sanctioned, state hatred of counter-welfarism and PIPs. This could also have something to do with it.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 17 Oct 17 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'm not. You were suggesting that people who fought against Hitler would feel betrayed. I'd say they would feel betrayed if they knew that Britain now prioritised immigrants over their grand children.
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| elgrande bedford 17 Oct 17 9.46pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
If you want to fling made up bollocks, be my guest, just don't complain if I throw some back. Whats made up,you are like a spoilt child,if someone has a different view point to you,you got out of your way to belittle them,and call them every ist or ism.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 9.47pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You were suggesting that people who fought against Hitler would feel betrayed.
In response to a similar argument.
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| elgrande bedford 17 Oct 17 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No it isn't. Anyone putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring the fact that hate crimes are going up and blaming others when far right parties are getting a foothold across Europe is tacitly spitting on the graves of those that died fighting Nazis and fascists. How do you know what the hate crimes are,it could be muslims on jews,or on soldiers.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 9.49pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Whats made up,you are like a spoilt child,if someone has a different view point to you,you got out of your way to belittle them,and call them every ist or ism. You said I say anyone to the right of stalin is a fascist ior Nazi, blatantly untrue.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You said I say anyone to the right of stalin is a fascist ior Nazi, blatantly untrue. Nick, you lost the EU debate. The public decided. Get over it. Stop trying to smear the other side as WAYCISTS because you have lost the argument. We are leaving the EU. Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 9.54pm)
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