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Stirlingsays 18 Oct 17 6.17pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle [Link] Remain may have spent more an appropriate and disclosed manner. Leave's spending was extremely shadowy. This article discusses just some of the subversion of the "marketplace of ideas". Ideologies are more than just an "idea". 'Remain' had an advantage on the amount spent so this question of national interest was never actually treated appropriately. 'Remain' were the only side who managed to get a leaflet through my door.....from the bloody government themselves....warning me of disasters straight away if I voted leave. Remain were and are just as big a load of liars as anyone else. I read the article.....sorry for the delay. It does open up several valid questions about media manipulation that is definitely something to look at. Media giants today are looking....first to restrict expression and opinion....under pressure from governments....and then to place as preference the views and opinions on things that governments...or themselves...ie silcon valley want....or indeed what some paymaster like leave or whoever want....I agree...I don't like manipulation for political purposes. That is something everyone should be concerned about. There should be a fairness.....but were you concerned about the unfairness given to the leave side? The government was biased on this question and didn't allow access to them....taxpayer money was used to fund the 'remain' side and not the 'leave'. Now, the article you linked to is under legal complaint but.....while my vote on Brexit was formed about ten to fifteen years ago it's definitely true.....and this is where we agree....that objectivity on social media is a problem. How we fairly proceed in doing something about that is a different debate. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2017 6.18pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Oct 17 6.17pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

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Remain may have spent more an appropriate and disclosed manner.

Leave's spending was extremely shadowy.

This article discusses just some of the subversion of the "marketplace of ideas".

Ideologies are more than just an "idea".

'Remain' had an advantage on the amount spent so this question of national interest was never actually treated appropriately.

'Remain' were the only side who managed to get a leaflet through my door.....from the bloody government themselves....warning me of disasters straight away if I voted leave. Remain were and are just as big a load of liars as anyone else.

I read the article.....sorry for the delay. It does open up several valid questions about media manipulation that is definitely something to look at. Media giants today are looking....first to restrict expression and opinion....under pressure from governments....and then to place as preference the views and opinions on things that governments...or themselves...ie silcon valley want....or indeed what some paymaster like leave or whoever want....I agree...I don't like manipulation for political purposes.

That is something everyone should be concerned about. There should be a fairness.....but were you concerned about the unfairness given to the leave side? The government was biased on this question and didn't allow access to them....taxpayer money was used to fund the 'remain' side and not the 'leave'.

Now, the article you linked to is under legal complaint but.....while my vote on Brexit was formed about ten to fifteen years ago it's definitely true.....and this is where we agree....that objectivity on social media is a problem.

How we fairly proceed in doing something about that is a different debate.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2017 6.18pm)

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Oct 17 7.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset They do have an agenda. Stop fascism. The fascists agenda, well that needs stopping. Unless you agree with the fascist agenda. So throwing objects and a few punches as fascists really works, right? It's not up to Antifa to police fascists. What sort of society do you want? Gangs attacking people in the street because they don't like what they say or what they look like? If you condone that Nick, you really are a knuckle dragger. And who are the fascists? Antifa shutting down Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro's talks on campus. They are not fascists. Using violence to shut down opinion is fascism. So Antifa are the fascists, do you not get the irony?!! And if you think political violence is OK, then you agree with far right political violence too. Unbelievable.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 18 Oct 17 7.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

They do have an agenda. Stop fascism. The fascists agenda, well that needs stopping.

Unless you agree with the fascist agenda.

So throwing objects and a few punches as fascists really works, right? It's not up to Antifa to police fascists. What sort of society do you want? Gangs attacking people in the street because they don't like what they say or what they look like?

If you condone that Nick, you really are a knuckle dragger.

And who are the fascists? Antifa shutting down Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro's talks on campus. They are not fascists.

Using violence to shut down opinion is fascism. So Antifa are the fascists, do you not get the irony?!!

And if you think political violence is OK, then you agree with far right political violence too. Unbelievable.

Stirlingsays 18 Oct 17 7.47pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle So throwing objects and a few punches as fascists really works, right? It's not up to Antifa to police fascists. What sort of society do you want? Gangs attacking people in the street because they don't like what they say or what they look like? If you condone that Nick, you really are a knuckle dragger. And who are the fascists? Antifa shutting down Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro's talks on campus. They are not fascists. Using violence to shut down opinion is fascism. So Antifa are the fascists, do you not get the irony?!! And if you think political violence is OK, then you agree with far right political violence too. Unbelievable. Seconded. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Oct 17 7.47pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

If you condone that Nick, you really are a knuckle dragger.

And who are the fascists? Antifa shutting down Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro's talks on campus. They are not fascists.

Using violence to shut down opinion is fascism. So Antifa are the fascists, do you not get the irony?!!

And if you think political violence is OK, then you agree with far right political violence too. Unbelievable.

Seconded.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 18 Oct 17 8.16pm
French Resistance attacking the French State by targetng those who were part of the French (Vichy) Government. Political violence, innit. SAS shooting IRA suspects. More political violence. I have a funny feeling that one or two who have strongly disavowed all forms of political violence might be snookered now. Unless, of course, they are brave enough to condemn the above too. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 18 Oct 17 8.16pm

French Resistance attacking the French State by targetng those who were part of the French (Vichy) Government.

Political violence, innit.

SAS shooting IRA suspects. More political violence.

I have a funny feeling that one or two who have strongly disavowed all forms of political violence might be snookered now.

Unless, of course, they are brave enough to condemn the above too.

Big chest and massive boobs

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 8.19pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle So throwing objects and a few punches as fascists really works, right? It's not up to Antifa to police fascists. What sort of society do you want? Gangs attacking people in the street because they don't like what they say or what they look like? If you condone that Nick, you really are a knuckle dragger. And who are the fascists? Antifa shutting down Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro's talks on campus. They are not fascists. Using violence to shut down opinion is fascism. So Antifa are the fascists, do you not get the irony?!! And if you think political violence is OK, then you agree with far right political violence too. Unbelievable. I agree with far right political violence? That's a bit of a leap. If a bunch of kknuckle draggers want to walk through a town, people are more than within their rights to come out and tell them to sling their hook. People who do that are antifa in my book. Any evidence of antifa starting trouble? As for shutting down free speech, Milo himself has admitted he's a troll. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if he was actually Matt Himself. He's just using the platform for attention seeking imho. And it's costing a lot of money. How would you propose to rid the states of white supremacist groups? If they marched down your street would you not be miffed? I don't condone violence for violence sake, but if trouble breaks out...

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 8.19pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

If you condone that Nick, you really are a knuckle dragger.

And who are the fascists? Antifa shutting down Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro's talks on campus. They are not fascists.

Using violence to shut down opinion is fascism. So Antifa are the fascists, do you not get the irony?!!

And if you think political violence is OK, then you agree with far right political violence too. Unbelievable.

I agree with far right political violence? That's a bit of a leap.

If a bunch of kknuckle draggers want to walk through a town, people are more than within their rights to come out and tell them to sling their hook. People who do that are antifa in my book.

Any evidence of antifa starting trouble?

As for shutting down free speech, Milo himself has admitted he's a troll. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if he was actually Matt Himself. He's just using the platform for attention seeking imho. And it's costing a lot of money.

How would you propose to rid the states of white supremacist groups? If they marched down your street would you not be miffed?

I don't condone violence for violence sake, but if trouble breaks out...

Stirlingsays 18 Oct 17 8.24pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 French Resistance attacking the French State by targetng those who were part of the French (Vichy) Government. Political violence, innit. SAS shooting IRA suspects. More political violence. I have a funny feeling that one or two who have strongly disavowed all forms of political violence might be snookered now. Unless, of course, they are brave enough to condemn the above too. The first were actions in a world war backed by the allies. The Vichy government had no democratic validity and was there to carry out Nazi administration. The second was violence by the state to stop those planning to murder people. As usual Kermit, your comparisons suffer from crowbar noises. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2017 8.25pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Oct 17 8.24pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

French Resistance attacking the French State by targetng those who were part of the French (Vichy) Government.

Political violence, innit.

SAS shooting IRA suspects. More political violence.

I have a funny feeling that one or two who have strongly disavowed all forms of political violence might be snookered now.

Unless, of course, they are brave enough to condemn the above too.

The first were actions in a world war backed by the allies. The Vichy government had no democratic validity and was there to carry out Nazi administration.

The second was violence by the state to stop those planning to murder people.

As usual Kermit, your comparisons suffer from crowbar noises.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2017 8.25pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 18 Oct 17 8.32pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The first were actions in a world war backed by the allies. The Vichy government had no democratic validity and was there to carry out Nazi administration. The second was violence by the state to stop those planning to murder people. As usual Kermit, your comparisons suffer from crowbar noises. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2017 8.25pm) Ok, let's have less crowbar-ing. Oliver Cromwell - traitor or not? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 18 Oct 17 8.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The first were actions in a world war backed by the allies. The Vichy government had no democratic validity and was there to carry out Nazi administration.

The second was violence by the state to stop those planning to murder people.

As usual Kermit, your comparisons suffer from crowbar noises.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2017 8.25pm)

Ok, let's have less crowbar-ing. Oliver Cromwell - traitor or not?

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 18 Oct 17 8.37pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Ok, let's have less crowbar-ing. Oliver Cromwell - traitor or not? The reduction in power of kings was an inevitable consequence of the enlightenment......So...not a traitor in result....but wrong to behead and what he did in Ireland was terrible...completely undefendable. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Oct 17 8.37pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ok, let's have less crowbar-ing. Oliver Cromwell - traitor or not?

The reduction in power of kings was an inevitable consequence of the enlightenment......So...not a traitor in result....but wrong to behead and what he did in Ireland was terrible...completely undefendable.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 8.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The reduction in power of kings was an inevitable consequence of the enlightenment......So...not a traitor in result....but wrong to behead and what he did in Ireland was terrible...completely undefendable. Like Churchill and forced famine?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 8.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Like Churchill and forced famine?

legaleagle 18 Oct 17 8.44pm
Bengal in 1943 you mean?

legaleagle

18 Oct 17 8.44pm

Bengal in 1943 you mean?

Stirlingsays 18 Oct 17 8.51pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Like Churchill and forced famine? Churchill was a man of his time. You aren't a person I'd consider worthy of listening to in terms of criticizing him. You're just a dim witted political troll with few funny lines.....good for troll stuff but not serious stuff....I learnt that during the Gaza episode. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2017 8.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Oct 17 8.51pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Like Churchill and forced famine?

Churchill was a man of his time. You aren't a person I'd consider worthy of listening to in terms of criticizing him. You're just a dim witted political troll with few funny lines.....good for troll stuff but not serious stuff....I learnt that during the Gaza episode.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2017 8.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Oct 17 8.51pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I agree with far right political violence? That's a bit of a leap. If a bunch of kknuckle draggers want to walk through a town, people are more than within their rights to come out and tell them to sling their hook. People who do that are antifa in my book. Any evidence of antifa starting trouble? As for shutting down free speech, Milo himself has admitted he's a troll. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if he was actually Matt Himself. He's just using the platform for attention seeking imho. And it's costing a lot of money. How would you propose to rid the states of white supremacist groups? If they marched down your street would you not be miffed? I don't condone violence for violence sake, but if trouble breaks out... Well how can left wing violence be OK and not right wing violence? Pure hypocrisy! Seeing as you don't know, Berkley, Oregan, Pheonix are some big examples off the top of my head. Google the details. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has denounced Antifa for its violence and threat to the public. She is on the sensible side of left wing politics. Answer my question, is Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, for example, fascists? Violence solves nothing in "ridding the states of white supremacist groups". If anything, it breeds more hate, more violence and more destruction. Antifa despise and attack cops too. They attack Trump supporters, capitalists or anyone who doesn't agree with their warped philosophy. Is that fair play also? One of the leading figures of Antifa is a teacher like you! Again, this post shows yourself up as a far left anarchist. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Oct 2017 9.05pm)

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 18 Oct 17 8.51pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I agree with far right political violence? That's a bit of a leap.

If a bunch of kknuckle draggers want to walk through a town, people are more than within their rights to come out and tell them to sling their hook. People who do that are antifa in my book.

Any evidence of antifa starting trouble?

How would you propose to rid the states of white supremacist groups? If they marched down your street would you not be miffed?

I don't condone violence for violence sake, but if trouble breaks out...

Well how can left wing violence be OK and not right wing violence? Pure hypocrisy!

Seeing as you don't know, Berkley, Oregan, Pheonix are some big examples off the top of my head. Google the details.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has denounced Antifa for its violence and threat to the public. She is on the sensible side of left wing politics.

Answer my question, is Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, for example, fascists?

Violence solves nothing in "ridding the states of white supremacist groups". If anything, it breeds more hate, more violence and more destruction. Antifa despise and attack cops too.

They attack Trump supporters, capitalists or anyone who doesn't agree with their warped philosophy. Is that fair play also?

One of the leading figures of Antifa is a teacher like you!

Again, this post shows yourself up as a far left anarchist.

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Oct 2017 9.05pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 18 Oct 17 8.56pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The reduction in power of kings was an inevitable consequence of the enlightenment......So...not a traitor in result....but wrong to behead and what he did in Ireland was terrible...completely undefendable. As is using the word 'undefendable'. Totally indefensible.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Oct 17 8.56pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As is using the word 'undefendable'. Totally indefensible.

Stirlingsays 18 Oct 17 8.58pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger As is using the word 'undefendable'. Totally indefensible. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Oct 17 8.58pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

As is using the word 'undefendable'. Totally indefensible.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Oct 17 8.59pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Like Churchill and forced famine? So you enjoy criticising the man who helped save us from the Nazis but you spend your whole life obsessing about them. You need help.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Oct 17 8.59pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Like Churchill and forced famine?

So you enjoy criticising the man who helped save us from the Nazis but you spend your whole life obsessing about them.

You need help.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 9.07pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Well how can left wing violence be OK and not right wing violence? Pure hypocrisy! Seeing as you don't know, Berkley, Oregan, Pheonix are some big examples off the top of my head. Google the details. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has denounced Antifa for its violence and threat to the public. She is on the sensible side of left wing politics. Answer my question, is Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, for example, fascists? Violence solves nothing in "ridding the states of white supremacist groups". If anything, it breeds more hate, more violence and more destruction. Antifa despise and attack cops too. One of the leading figures of Antifa is a teacher too! Again, this post shows yourself up as a far left anarchist. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Oct 2017 8.53pm) Ben Shapiro is like a s* John Gaunt but scarily has a big platform. Anyone to do with breitbart is a s* stirring c* who tries to appeal to the anti pc crowd. Ann Coulter. Can't say I know much about her but likes Trump a lot so can imagine some of the s* she'd come out with. This is the same Trump who saw fit to mock the disabled. So yeah. Probably a bit fascist. When you say antifa, do you mean the whole movement ? Antifa is a catch all term for a whole range of left wing groups. Edited by nickgusset (18 Oct 2017 9.14pm)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 9.07pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Well how can left wing violence be OK and not right wing violence? Pure hypocrisy!

Seeing as you don't know, Berkley, Oregan, Pheonix are some big examples off the top of my head. Google the details.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has denounced Antifa for its violence and threat to the public. She is on the sensible side of left wing politics.

Answer my question, is Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro, for example, fascists?

Violence solves nothing in "ridding the states of white supremacist groups". If anything, it breeds more hate, more violence and more destruction. Antifa despise and attack cops too.

One of the leading figures of Antifa is a teacher too!

Again, this post shows yourself up as a far left anarchist.

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Oct 2017 8.53pm)

Ben Shapiro is like a s*** John Gaunt but scarily has a big platform. Anyone to do with breitbart is a s*** stirring c*** who tries to appeal to the anti pc crowd.

Ann Coulter. Can't say I know much about her but likes Trump a lot so can imagine some of the s*** she'd come out with. This is the same Trump who saw fit to mock the disabled. So yeah. Probably a bit fascist.

When you say antifa, do you mean the whole movement ? Antifa is a catch all term for a whole range of left wing groups.

Edited by nickgusset (18 Oct 2017 9.14pm)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 9.10pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you enjoy criticising the man who helped save us from the Nazis but you spend your whole life obsessing about them. You need help. Should he be beyond criticism. Just because he helped us defeat nazis (for which I am grateful) doesn't automatically stop him being a c*** at times.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 9.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you enjoy criticising the man who helped save us from the Nazis but you spend your whole life obsessing about them.

You need help.

Should he be beyond criticism. Just because he helped us defeat nazis (for which I am grateful) doesn't automatically stop him being a c*** at times.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Oct 17 9.12pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Ben Shapiro is like a s* John Gaunt but scarily has a big platform. Anyone to do with breitbart is a s* stirring c* who tries to appeal to the anti pc crowd. Ann Coulter. Can't say I know much about her but likes Trump a lot so can imagine some of the s* she'd come out with. This is the same Trump who saw fit to mock the disabled. So yeah. Probably a bit fascist. So the anti-PC crowd and Trump supporters are fascists, according to you. Again, anyone with conservative views is a fascist in your book. What tolerant, diverse guy you are!

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 18 Oct 17 9.12pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Ben Shapiro is like a s*** John Gaunt but scarily has a big platform. Anyone to do with breitbart is a s*** stirring c*** who tries to appeal to the anti pc crowd.

So the anti-PC crowd and Trump supporters are fascists, according to you.

Again, anyone with conservative views is a fascist in your book. What tolerant, diverse guy you are!

Hrolf The Ganger 18 Oct 17 9.15pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Should he be beyond criticism. Just because he helped us defeat nazis (for which I am grateful) doesn't automatically stop him being a c*** at times. What I find most funny is your nauseating self righteous attitude. Now let me see. Who do I respect more, you or Winston Churchill? In fairness, you come in a dead heat with Hitler and Myra Hindley.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Oct 17 9.15pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Should he be beyond criticism. Just because he helped us defeat nazis (for which I am grateful) doesn't automatically stop him being a c*** at times.

What I find most funny is your nauseating self righteous attitude.

Now let me see. Who do I respect more, you or Winston Churchill?
In fairness, you come in a dead heat with Hitler and Myra Hindley.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 9.17pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle So the anti-PC crowd and Trump supporters are fascists, according to you. Again, anyone with conservative views is a fascist in your book. What tolerant, diverse guy you are! Stop putting words in my mouth. I'd hardly call the shock jock style of borderline racism conservative. You've been across the pond too long.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 9.17pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

So the anti-PC crowd and Trump supporters are fascists, according to you.

Again, anyone with conservative views is a fascist in your book. What tolerant, diverse guy you are!

Stop putting words in my mouth.

I'd hardly call the shock jock style of borderline racism conservative. You've been across the pond too long.

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