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SurbsEagle Flag 26 Jun 19 12.56pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not when they have barely played a season.

We never will be anything while we sell our best.
I am used to that. It has been our way for 50 years and that might be why we have won f*** all.

In your opinion we currently only have Wan-Bissaka and Zaha as our top quality players. We also have no money to spend to build around Wan-Bissaka and Zaha.
We sell Wan-Bissaka for £50m and could potentially buy more top quality players and have a team where we have 3 or 4 big players rather than just 2.
You aren't happy with this at all would rather stick with what we have now. That says to me that you're the ambitionless one here, not the club.

 

Pete53 Flag Hassocks 26 Jun 19 1.02pm

Originally posted by CockneyRebel

Big mistake...ask Wilf..

Possibly but at least he won't have David Moyes as his manager. Mind you he might not have OGS as manager for very long if United's form of the end of last season persists beyond September of the new season.

 

steven_t92 Flag Orpington 26 Jun 19 1.02pm

Fantastic deal for both clubs, plenty of money to replace him with a quality or promising right back. Let's go get Max Aarons for 20mil, he'll be worth double within a year. Put the other 30mil into a striker and the squad has already been improved.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 26 Jun 19 1.05pm

Originally posted by CockneyRebel

Big mistake...ask Wilf..

Different circumstances and expectations, including position on the pitch.

 


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taylors lovechild Flag 26 Jun 19 1.05pm

Unless we are in financial crisis then I hope that at least this puts to bed any idea of Wilf going. If they have retained a 20/25% sell-on fee then I think that is the difference between someone being able to afford him and not. Wilf angled for a huge 5-year deal last season, so he is not really in a strong position to complain and I hope that he is happy to stay. I imagine a club would have to offer an absolute bare minimum of £75 million given the clause and what we held out for with AWB.

As much as I'd love AWB to stay I still can't my head around £50m for an inexperienced rightback with no full England caps. If the reported wages are true then you can add about another £20m on top of that. Good luck to the lad as he is going to be under the microscope the moment he steps onto the pitch.

 

I'mPalace Till I Die Flag 26 Jun 19 1.06pm

I think people are forgetting we made a 35M loss. All these ridiculous posts stating that we lack ambition etc etc. We're not a top 6 club and we can't even break even with the huge wage bill currently so of course we had to accept that offer

 

Maine Eagle Flag USA 26 Jun 19 1.08pm

Originally posted by DeanMiles

So United still have the 25% Zaha sell on fee apparantly. If true then that's great negotiating from us again...

Edited by DeanMiles (26 Jun 2019 12.13pm)

They simply would have calculated an expected fee and knocked off 25% of that from the fee for AWB.

It’s the same money just paid at a different time. This way we get the cash we need sooner.

Also maybe we never sell Zaha - a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Edited by Maine Eagle (26 Jun 2019 1.08pm)

 


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Dancer Cat Flag Farnborough 26 Jun 19 1.15pm

A lot of good has come out of this - not least that the Zaha 25% sell on is now openly in the public domain.

That means Parish can openly stand his ground on the basis that "we can't replace Wilf for 75% of what you're offering".

Someone would have to offer expected Zaha replacement cost PLUS 25% for Parish to want to accept it.

The only way Zaha leaves now is to let his contract run out (4 years)

 

Bangell Flag Oxford 26 Jun 19 1.19pm

Well, looks like it's definitely happening. I love watching AWB and I'm gutted that we won't see him achieve his full potential in a Palace shirt, but for a club in our situation, a £50 million right-back is something of a luxury.

Hope he does brilliantly at Utd but I'm already anticipating the press and their dreadful fans putting every little mistake under the microscope. AWB might wish he'd had another season to develop with us, but eventually I think he'll become one of the world's best.

I hope the recruitment team has been looking hard for a reliable replacement, and the management team realises what can be gained from trying out youth players every once in a while.

 

Maine Eagle Flag USA 26 Jun 19 1.23pm

Originally posted by Bangell

Well, looks like it's definitely happening. I love watching AWB and I'm gutted that we won't see him achieve his full potential in a Palace shirt, but for a club in our situation, a £50 million right-back is something of a luxury.

Hope he does brilliantly at Utd but I'm already anticipating the press and their dreadful fans putting every little mistake under the microscope. AWB might wish he'd had another season to develop with us, but eventually I think he'll become one of the world's best.

I hope the recruitment team has been looking hard for a reliable replacement, and the management team realises what can be gained from trying out youth players every once in a while.

Let’s we forget, he would have got nowhere near the first team without a massive injury crisis.

Let that sink in.

We just sold a kid for 50 million quid and he only got a run of games through luck and happenstance rather than the skill of the manager.

Hodgson literally had no other choice than playing the best right back from the academy.

 


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stuckinbristol Flag In the woodwork. 26 Jun 19 1.24pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that a sell on fee is only for anything above what we paid?
So if we sell Wilf the first 15m will be in the pocket?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Jun 19 1.26pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

How do we evolve the team with failing strikers and no central attacking threat?

Pray tell. And please answer the question. How?

And please don’t answer with loans because for every Batschuyai there’s Sanogoal’s and Bumfluff’s.

So what would YOU do?

I tell you what. If we make a couple of top signings and finish higher in the table than this season I will be he first to say that the sale worked out.

However, you cannot replace a potentially world class defender if you are a team like Palace.

I hope everyone enjoys watching AWB making good wingers look ordinary for United next season while Ward gets done by quality most weeks.

 

The Dolphin Flag 26 Jun 19 1.31pm

Bloody shame but that's life. It was too much to turn down given his experience although I suspect he will be the England right back within the next 3 or 4 years.
Need to keep Wilf now and get some decent players in to supplement him.

 

Nobbybm Flag Dartford 26 Jun 19 1.38pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Let’s we forget, he would have got nowhere near the first team without a massive injury crisis.

Let that sink in.

We just sold a kid for 50 million quid and he only got a run of games through luck and happenstance rather than the skill of the manager.

Hodgson literally had no other choice than playing the best right back from the academy.

Absolutely.

Isn't it ultimately what an academy at our level is meant to provide - players to enhance your squad thus saving money or those that other teams are willing to pay handsomely for.

The only real difference between a club that has to sell & one that doesn't is what you can demand for your academy products.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 26 Jun 19 1.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I tell you what. If we make a couple of top signings and finish higher in the table than this season I will be he first to say that the sale worked out.

However, you cannot replace a potentially world class defender if you are a team like Palace.

I hope everyone enjoys watching AWB making good wingers look ordinary for United next season while Ward gets done by quality most weeks.

Ward will probably be backup and you still think we should be hanging onto world class right backs when we’re a lower Prem side at best and we have serious issues in attack and attacking midfield.

 


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Mstrobez Flag 26 Jun 19 1.42pm

Do I think it’s a bit early? Maybe. But it’s the opportunity of his life in a short and uncertain career & United really wanted him, so good luck to him.

He truly is a fantastic defender - one of the best in Europe even without the rose tints on and has an impeccable temperament which should hold him in good stead. Will always hold him in a very high regard.

As for us. I am doubtful this 50m will simply be reinvested on players. But considering the fact he was on the periphery of the youth team & got his chance circumstantially, it’s still good business.

I think the one thing we need to take from this is that we *must* start giving youth a chance. We’re in the heart of South London near estates of kids doing nothing but playing football. Our academy really is the one asset we have and we should be utilising it better.

At least one youth player a year getting some first team action has to be the aim from now on.

Edited by Mstrobez (26 Jun 2019 1.45pm)

 


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wizlon Flag ... 26 Jun 19 1.44pm

Gutted for Palace, but gotta be pleased for the lad.

To be honest I think most of us knew that he would go to one of the big clubs, he's been outstanding for us and will be extremely difficult to replace, but we were never going to hold on to him.

I will always give him a cheer and remember him as a short lived but very impressive Palace special one.

Good luck to him, still hope Manure bomb though...

 


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PatrickA Flag London 26 Jun 19 1.45pm

It’s been reported that there is no inclusion of a sell on clause on the AWB deal and no removal of the clause on the Zaha deal.
If this is correct it would seem to me that we have a short term need to get a lot of money in as opposed to taking a longer view.
Taking into account our relatively limited spending in recent windows I am concerned about the clubs finances moving forward.
Freedman’s role seems to be very much about cost cutting and the players we have been linked with this window are again free transfers, potential loans or players with buy out clauses.
I acknowledge that we don’t want to repeat expensive mistakes of the last few years but don’t see why we can’t compete for younger players as e.g Bournemouth did for Brooks and Leicester did for Maddison.

 

Nobbybm Flag Dartford 26 Jun 19 1.45pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I tell you what. If we make a couple of top signings and finish higher in the table than this season I will be he first to say that the sale worked out.

However, you cannot replace a potentially world class defender if you are a team like Palace.

I hope everyone enjoys watching AWB making good wingers look ordinary for United next season while Ward gets done by quality most weeks.

Ultimately, his development will be accelerated by being surrounded by top quality/world class team mates which he isn't gonna get at Palace.

I, for one, hope he fulfills that potential.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 26 Jun 19 1.50pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Let’s we forget, he would have got nowhere near the first team without a massive injury crisis.

Let that sink in.

We just sold a kid for 50 million quid and he only got a run of games through luck and happenstance rather than the skill of the manager.

Hodgson literally had no other choice than playing the best right back from the academy.

Let's also not forget that Hodgson wouldn't let him go out on loan because he wanted to include him in his playing squad.

 


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