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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 20 Oct 17 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
They won't move significantly until Ireland, the bill we owe, and EU nationals status is resolved. They have been 100% clear on that since day one. The ball has always been in our court. We are still bouncing it up and down and when we do try to return it it hits the net due to whatnot. Well we're willing to be more than reasonable on all of those, including the EU nationals, but I agree that's a long process if they want to wait on that since we sensibly require reciprocal agreements from each country.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 10.17am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
They won't move significantly until Ireland, the bill we owe, and EU nationals status is resolved. They have been 100% clear on that since day one. The ball has always been in our court. We are still bouncing it up and down and when we do try to return it it hits the net due to whatnot. I disagree on this point...as long as we appear willing to pay something talks will continue. There's already been movement on this, and the EU would have to be bonkers to expect the full amount to be paid. Negotiations are about finding a middle ground, not bullying the other into submission.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Oct 17 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Well we're willing to be more than reasonable on all of those, including the EU nationals, but I agree that's a long process if they want to wait on that since we sensibly require reciprocal agreements from each country. I don't think that's the sticking point, its the UK offering 20bn as their pay out, which the EU claims won't even cover the costs of British Citizens still living within the EU in terms of social security, pensions etc. I'd imagine that in any negotiation the initial basic cost tends to be the point to agree before you start dealing with terms of agreement.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Oct 17 10.51am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
I disagree on this point...as long as we appear willing to pay something talks will continue. There's already been movement on this, and the EU would have to be bonkers to expect the full amount to be paid. Negotiations are about finding a middle ground, not bullying the other into submission. Well the middle ground certainly isn't 20bn either, which is the UK offer that they 'holding firm on' - If I was in the EU's position, I wouldn't negotiate anything until a price was agreed.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 11.02am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well the middle ground certainly isn't 20bn either, which is the UK offer that they 'holding firm on' - If I was in the EU's position, I wouldn't negotiate anything until a price was agreed. In private iMay is willing to pay 40 billion euros. Merkel wants £90 billion. So it looks like it could be the £50 mil or so round number conjured up a while back. iMay was a typo but have left it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Oct 2017 11.05am)
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 11.02am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well the middle ground certainly isn't 20bn either, which is the UK offer that they 'holding firm on' - If I was in the EU's position, I wouldn't negotiate anything until a price was agreed. Then I wouldn't negotiate with you. A closed fist meets a closed fist. If the Tories cave in.....well, they will lose their own base.....The left will by definition never vote for them anyway. As these forums show...plenty of them are anti British pro EU types anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 11.03am)
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
In private iMay is willing to pay 40 billion euros. Merkel wants £90 billion. So it looks like it could be the £50 mil or so round number conjured up a while back. iMay was a typo but have left it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Oct 2017 11.05am) Wow....40 billion is just too high. May is useless.....Just a typical 'wet' with no balls. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 11.09am)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 17 11.18am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Wow....40 billion is just too high. May is useless.....Just a typical 'wet' with no balls. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 11.09am) Give nothing and stay in the EU.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Oct 17 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Then I wouldn't negotiate with you. A closed fist meets a closed fist. If the Tories cave in.....well, they will lose their own base.....The left will by definition never vote for them anyway. As these forums show...plenty of them are anti British pro EU types anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 11.03am) Who is anti British?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 20 Oct 17 11.37am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Give nothing and stay in the EU. We are getting out at a good time. THe EU is going to s***. It was the right decision and you will see that in the coming years. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2017 11.39am)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Oct 17 11.43am |
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 11.52am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well the middle ground certainly isn't 20bn either, which is the UK offer that they 'holding firm on' - If I was in the EU's position, I wouldn't negotiate anything until a price was agreed.
By being stubborn all that'll happen is there'll be stalemate and the fingers would be pointed those not willing to manouvre...in your case the EU. Having said that...and from the mouth of Merkle herself things arent as bad as being portrayed by our twisted press...so i dont for one minute think there wont be an agreement made that both sides are ultimately comfortable with.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 11.56am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Wow....40 billion is just too high. May is useless.....Just a typical 'wet' with no balls. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 11.09am) I'm not so sure it is tbh..as i said elsewhere...if we're expected to pay for projects that havent yet started then personally i'd expect to have the benefits of any [outputs] they produce as well (yet another negotiating point i'd assume)....
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 11.57am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We are getting out at a good time. THe EU is going to s***. It was the right decision and you will see that in the coming years. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2017 11.39am)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 17 11.59am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We are getting out at a good time. THe EU is going to s***. It was the right decision and you will see that in the coming years. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2017 11.39am) It's not up to Merkel if the UK stays in the EU as the UK has the veto. Do you want your future decided by her a German?
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It's not up to Merkel if the UK stays in the EU as the UK has the veto. Do you want your future decided by her a German? I think the point he was making is that she will do her best to make the separation as amicable as possible as moving forward Germany (and others) will still need / want to do business with us...
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 17 12.16pm |
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Remaining is actually a strong position. Leave is bankruptcy and humiliation. She is paying up.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 12.27pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
I'm not so sure it is tbh..as i said elsewhere...if we're expected to pay for projects that havent yet started then personally i'd expect to have the benefits of any [outputs] they produce as well (yet another negotiating point i'd assume).... I'm more concerned with trade negotiations and import tariffs affecting long term as well as the short term than how close to £50 billion we go, which we will, as long as that is the limit in how far it goes. Merkel's £90 billion is outrageous but part of negotiating. Some of the environmental stuff and other things Cambridge is concerned of are also worth maintaining but they should both get on and just agree a fee so neither looks weak which is what this initial stage appears to be. A load of time wasting to appear strong until they meet at £50 billion.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 12.33pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Remaining is actually a strong position. Leave is bankruptcy and humiliation. She is paying up. Diluted, hushed strength. 7% of say which amounts to nothing when you inevitably have to put up with it all. Like sitting down for the a la carte menu, only for the waiter to take your payment in advance and leave you with the set lunch menu and to eat up fast as there's 200 hundred people outside who want your table and an a la carte lunch at set menu prices. Leave is short term pain for long term gain. The Germans did it post war, so should we post Brexit. The country will obviously need a credible leader and not iMay.
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