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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Aug 18 4.34pm
Originally posted by Stuk You heard of the musical Hamilton? Yep. What is the point of casting Black people as White people? It's racist for one thing and historically ridiculous. Truthfully, If black people want their own little club then that's fine with me but White people would be accused of being racists for wanting the same. More double standards that we have to rid ourselves of if we ever wish to attain true equality of opportunity.

Hrolf The Ganger

13 Aug 18 4.34pm

Originally posted by Stuk

You heard of the musical Hamilton?

Yep. What is the point of casting Black people as White people?
It's racist for one thing and historically ridiculous.
Truthfully, If black people want their own little club then that's fine with me but White people would be accused of being racists for wanting the same.

More double standards that we have to rid ourselves of if we ever wish to attain true equality of opportunity.

Stuk Top half 13 Aug 18 4.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yep. What is the point of casting Black people as White people? It's racist for one thing and historically ridiculous. Truthfully, If black people want their own little club then that's fine with me but White people would be accused of being racists for wanting the same. More double standards that we have to rid ourselves of if we ever wish to attain true equality of opportunity. Don't ask me, I haven't seen it, but it rakes in 3 million dollars per week in ticket sales. So all this "money will dictate" stuff indicates that between Hamilton and Black Panther, that money will indeed dictate but not in the way you thought. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 13 Aug 18 4.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

More double standards that we have to rid ourselves of if we ever wish to attain true equality of opportunity.

Don't ask me, I haven't seen it, but it rakes in 3 million dollars per week in ticket sales.

So all this "money will dictate" stuff indicates that between Hamilton and Black Panther, that money will indeed dictate but not in the way you thought.

Optimistic as ever

Hrolf The Ganger 13 Aug 18 4.42pm
Originally posted by topcat Bond would have been white when the books were written as I doubt MI6 had any black agents back then but if you are setting the films in the 21st century I don't see a problem with him being black if the most appropriate actor is black. It would be odd to have a black Robin Hood or Sherlock Holmes if they are set in the 15th/19th century but if you are producing a 21st century version of either of these then the skin colour becomes irrelevant. We are talking about fiction after all. I accept that Bond could be Black in a reboot if his backstory was rewritten. The question is, why would a predominantly White British or American audience want to change a White icon to a Black man? I wouldn't be shocking or original but merely just another tiresome attempt at tokenistic 'progressivism'.

Hrolf The Ganger

13 Aug 18 4.42pm

Originally posted by topcat

Bond would have been white when the books were written as I doubt MI6 had any black agents back then but if you are setting the films in the 21st century I don't see a problem with him being black if the most appropriate actor is black.

It would be odd to have a black Robin Hood or Sherlock Holmes if they are set in the 15th/19th century but if you are producing a 21st century version of either of these then the skin colour becomes irrelevant. We are talking about fiction after all.

I accept that Bond could be Black in a reboot if his backstory was rewritten. The question is, why would a predominantly White British or American audience want to change a White icon to a Black man?
I wouldn't be shocking or original but merely just another tiresome attempt at tokenistic 'progressivism'.

Hrolf The Ganger 13 Aug 18 4.45pm
Originally posted by Stuk Don't ask me, I haven't seen it, but it rakes in 3 million dollars per week in ticket sales. So all this "money will dictate" stuff indicates that between Hamilton and Black Panther, that money will indeed dictate but not in the way you thought. No, I think it depends if you are after a limited but loyal audience or the wider market. I don't say that only Black people will go and see these productions but it will limit the audience in a way that a mixed race cast wouldn't.

Hrolf The Ganger

13 Aug 18 4.45pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Don't ask me, I haven't seen it, but it rakes in 3 million dollars per week in ticket sales.

So all this "money will dictate" stuff indicates that between Hamilton and Black Panther, that money will indeed dictate but not in the way you thought.

No, I think it depends if you are after a limited but loyal audience or the wider market. I don't say that only Black people will go and see these productions but it will limit the audience in a way that a mixed race cast wouldn't.

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 18 4.59pm
Originally posted by topcat Bond would have been white when the books were written as I doubt MI6 had any black agents back then but if you are setting the films in the 21st century I don't see a problem with him being black if the most appropriate actor is black. It would be odd to have a black Robin Hood or Sherlock Holmes if they are set in the 15th/19th century but if you are producing a 21st century version of either of these then the skin colour becomes irrelevant. We are talking about fiction after all. I wish you'd tell these progressives that as well. However, these are good points. I have a bias towards characters I know as white remaining white but I've no issue with the best getting the role.....I suppose if we had a stream of black actors playing Bond I'd bulk at it......If I find the idea of a 'white shaft' amusing for a movie, I'd watch a black Bond. If Elba screen tests best for the role let him play it.....we must be a meritocracy.....free from diversity targets but genuine on merit. However, I'd heavily object to it if I felt it was being done for a political agenda.......just to 'educate'....it would destroy it....like the progressives and bad writers destroyed Star Wars. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2018 5.01pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 18 4.59pm

Originally posted by topcat

I wish you'd tell these progressives that as well.

However, these are good points. I have a bias towards characters I know as white remaining white but I've no issue with the best getting the role.....I suppose if we had a stream of black actors playing Bond I'd bulk at it......If I find the idea of a 'white shaft' amusing for a movie, I'd watch a black Bond.

If Elba screen tests best for the role let him play it.....we must be a meritocracy.....free from diversity targets but genuine on merit.

However, I'd heavily object to it if I felt it was being done for a political agenda.......just to 'educate'....it would destroy it....like the progressives and bad writers destroyed Star Wars.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2018 5.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stuk Top half 13 Aug 18 5.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No, I think it depends if you are after a limited but loyal audience or the wider market. I don't say that only Black people will go and see these productions but it will limit the audience in a way that a mixed race cast wouldn't. Well they didn't/don't with the two examples I've given above. And I'm pretty sure M, Q and others will still be white. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 13 Aug 18 5.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, I think it depends if you are after a limited but loyal audience or the wider market. I don't say that only Black people will go and see these productions but it will limit the audience in a way that a mixed race cast wouldn't.

Well they didn't/don't with the two examples I've given above.

And I'm pretty sure M, Q and others will still be white.

Optimistic as ever

Hrolf The Ganger 13 Aug 18 6.30pm
Originally posted by Stuk Well they didn't/don't with the two examples I've given above. And I'm pretty sure M, Q and others will still be white. If something makes money, you can't argue with that. You can still say that you prefer a White character to remain White, however.

Hrolf The Ganger

13 Aug 18 6.30pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Well they didn't/don't with the two examples I've given above.

And I'm pretty sure M, Q and others will still be white.

If something makes money, you can't argue with that. You can still say that you prefer a White character to remain White, however.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 13 Aug 18 6.46pm
Originally posted by Stuk Well they didn't/don't with the two examples I've given above. And I'm pretty sure M, Q and others will still be white. Moneypenny is already black. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 13 Aug 18 6.46pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Well they didn't/don't with the two examples I've given above.

And I'm pretty sure M, Q and others will still be white.

Moneypenny is already black.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

DanH SW2 13 Aug 18 6.50pm
Imagine genuinely giving a sh*t about what James Bond looks like. I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns

DanH

SW2 13 Aug 18 6.50pm

Imagine genuinely giving a sh*t about what James Bond looks like.

I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns

Stuk Top half 13 Aug 18 6.51pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger If something makes money, you can't argue with that. You can still say that you prefer a White character to remain White, however. Of course you can. And equally the owner to the rights can choose not to do so. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 13 Aug 18 6.51pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If something makes money, you can't argue with that. You can still say that you prefer a White character to remain White, however.

Of course you can. And equally the owner to the rights can choose not to do so.

Optimistic as ever

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 13 Aug 18 6.54pm
Originally posted by DanH Imagine genuinely giving a sht about what James Bond looks like. I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns It's a topic of conversation. That's all. And we know all about you and grown up men. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 13 Aug 18 6.54pm

Originally posted by DanH

Imagine genuinely giving a sh*t about what James Bond looks like.

I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns

It's a topic of conversation. That's all. And we know all about you and grown up men.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 18 6.57pm
Originally posted by DanH Imagine genuinely giving a sh*t about what James Bond looks like. I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns I suppose being short you really look up to grown up men. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 18 6.57pm

Originally posted by DanH

Imagine genuinely giving a sh*t about what James Bond looks like.

I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns

I suppose being short you really look up to grown up men.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stuk Top half 13 Aug 18 6.57pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Moneypenny is already black. So she is. And I'd genuinely barely noticed until now. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 13 Aug 18 6.57pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Moneypenny is already black.

So she is. And I'd genuinely barely noticed until now.

Optimistic as ever

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 13 Aug 18 7.21pm
Originally posted by Stuk So she is. And I'd genuinely barely noticed until now. It hasn't gone unnoticed. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 13 Aug 18 7.21pm

Originally posted by Stuk

So she is. And I'd genuinely barely noticed until now.

It hasn't gone unnoticed.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

.TUX. 13 Aug 18 7.33pm
Originally posted by DanH Imagine genuinely giving a sht about what James Bond looks like. I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns* Reminds me of the Brexit thread Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

13 Aug 18 7.33pm

Originally posted by DanH

Imagine genuinely giving a sh*t about what James Bond looks like.

I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns

Reminds me of the Brexit thread

Buy Litecoin.

Hrolf The Ganger 13 Aug 18 9.26pm
Originally posted by DanH Imagine genuinely giving a sh*t about what James Bond looks like. I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns Why is anyone expressing an opinion or a preference having a meltdown? The only meltdown going on appears to be in the minds of progressives as they try to enforce their loopy logic on everyone else.

Hrolf The Ganger

13 Aug 18 9.26pm

Originally posted by DanH

Imagine genuinely giving a sh*t about what James Bond looks like.

I’m only here for the grown up men having meltdowns

Why is anyone expressing an opinion or a preference having a meltdown?

The only meltdown going on appears to be in the minds of progressives as they try to enforce their loopy logic on everyone else.

Matov 14 Aug 18 7.07am
I actually think that by having a Black/Working class James Bond, you might actually kick some life back into what is becoming a rather tired genre. Plus you could probably get away with making him a bit of a b****** again, much like he was in the original novels. Sometimes change is good. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

14 Aug 18 7.07am

I actually think that by having a Black/Working class James Bond, you might actually kick some life back into what is becoming a rather tired genre.

Plus you could probably get away with making him a bit of a b****** again, much like he was in the original novels.

Sometimes change is good.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Hrolf The Ganger 14 Aug 18 3.21pm
Originally posted by Matov I actually think that by having a Black/Working class James Bond, you might actually kick some life back into what is becoming a rather tired genre. Plus you could probably get away with making him a bit of a b****** again, much like he was in the original novels. Sometimes change is good. You haven't seen The Kingsman movies then? It's been done already.

Hrolf The Ganger

14 Aug 18 3.21pm

Originally posted by Matov

I actually think that by having a Black/Working class James Bond, you might actually kick some life back into what is becoming a rather tired genre.

Plus you could probably get away with making him a bit of a b****** again, much like he was in the original novels.

Sometimes change is good.

You haven't seen The Kingsman movies then? It's been done already.

palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 14 Aug 18 4.14pm
I think Jack Whitehall is going to be a great James Bond.

palace_in_frogland

In a broken dream 14 Aug 18 4.14pm

I think Jack Whitehall is going to be a great James Bond.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Aug 18 4.40pm
When people suggest the storyline requires a white man, it is not really the case. The stories have been changed to be in the present - where many of our agents are of different skin colours. In the current climes there is nothing wrong with this. Elba is British enough, good looking enough and not that brilliant an actor - he may do an okay job. The main factor in Bond films seems to be the script. I thought Casino Royale excellent, Quantum of Solace rubbish, Skyfall and Spectre pretty good. If the scripts are adapted well should be okay. Nobody complained when Moneypenny was black so what's all the fuss? Attention seeking by the franchise is my guess. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Aug 18 4.40pm

When people suggest the storyline requires a white man, it is not really the case. The stories have been changed to be in the present - where many of our agents are of different skin colours. In the current climes there is nothing wrong with this. Elba is British enough, good looking enough and not that brilliant an actor - he may do an okay job. The main factor in Bond films seems to be the script. I thought Casino Royale excellent, Quantum of Solace rubbish, Skyfall and Spectre pretty good. If the scripts are adapted well should be okay. Nobody complained when Moneypenny was black so what's all the fuss? Attention seeking by the franchise is my guess.

Red and Blue Army!

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