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Maine Eagle Flag USA 26 Jun 19 7.13pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Let's see how much we spend on a right back.

Your platitudes bore me. We sold a player purely for money so we are a selling club and we will be the worse for it defensively.

I am in the odd position for once, that I hope I am entirely wrong about the wisdom of this.
One thing I am sure of is that a player like Bissaka comes around once in a blue moon for Palace and we just waved him goodbye after one season.
How happy can any real football fan be? Unless they supports United of course.

Your broken record project fear hyperbole bores me.

What else should we sell a player for? Stock options? A packet of skips and a box of milk tray?

Yes we sold for money, and do you know why? Because we need money. Its simple isnt it, you dont need a degree in economics and capitalism to understand what went on here.

You dont become a selling club because you sell one player! Utter tripe, as usual. That is absolute nonsense. Parish and co have been s***e at selling players in fact with the exception of Bolasie which was a great bit of business.

Please google "selling club" to learn what the phrase actually means. We sell far too few players to qualify I am afraid.

If we are a selling club how do you explain us having the best attacker outside the top 4 on our books, head and shoulders above any attacking players at any team around us?

You cant, because your argument is the usual tripe.

 


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iheartcpfc Flag SE25 26 Jun 19 7.16pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Our wingers won’t like him

If Wilf has him on toast next season you can find me face down in the Thames with JD in my veins

 

Baldfella Flag Wigan 26 Jun 19 7.17pm

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Did the board cave in to Man U on AWB transfer' by becky

When the deal goes through it will be the 5th highest transfer fee for a defender in the world! Nobody had heard of him 2 years ago and now we’ve got more than £1m for every senior game he’s played for us! Wanting £50m and realistically getting £50 upfront was always unlikely especially once AWB said he wanted to go! Good fee for a great player good luck to him and so long as we reinvest most of that in the squad a good bit of business from the club!

 

Noz Flag North Hampshire 26 Jun 19 7.25pm

80 odd pages of arguing about whether this is a good deal for us or not. I know Talksport is not exactly the Mecca of reliable news stories but they had Mel Morris on there talking about the Frank Lampard issue, with him being given permission to talk to Chelsea, which, ostensibly, for a lot of Derby fans seems to be a defeatist move by the club. Mel Morris said that, fans and those people outside the club have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. What might seem like a suicidal move from a fans perspective, might well be deemed a very positive move by those involved in the actual negotiation,

I’m going to take an over arching generalisation here, but I’m guessing not many of you were involved in the Crystal Palace side of negotiations for this particular transfer.

Have faith in those that were involved, because surprisingly they have more experience in professional premier league transfer negotiations than we do.

Edited by Noz (26 Jun 2019 7.26pm)

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 26 Jun 19 7.28pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Your broken record project fear hyperbole bores me.

What else should we sell a player for? Stock options? A packet of skips and a box of milk tray?

Yes we sold for money, and do you know why? Because we need money. Its simple isnt it, you dont need a degree in economics and capitalism to understand what went on here.

You dont become a selling club because you sell one player! Utter tripe, as usual. That is absolute nonsense. Parish and co have been s***e at selling players in fact with the exception of Bolasie which was a great bit of business.

Please google "selling club" to learn what the phrase actually means. We sell far too few players to qualify I am afraid.

If we are a selling club how do you explain us having the best attacker outside the top 4 on our books, head and shoulders above any attacking players at any team around us?

You cant, because your argument is the usual tripe.

We won’t have the best attack out of the top 4 if Wilf goes, we got by last season by the skin of our teeth again, don’t let that finishing position fool you. We most probably do need the money, but the fact we are paying Tekkers over the odds grinds my gears...

 

Palace 1979 Flag Surrey 26 Jun 19 7.28pm

Originally posted by Harry Beever

Great bit of business. Would of course have loved him to stay but he is an asset we can’t afford not to cash in on with our stadium plans etc. If he didn’t follow up next season with as good a performance his value would be adversely affected (plenty of young players who sparkled early and faded out), Heaven forbid if he suffered a career ending injury we’d have lost 50 million. Right time to sell. Wish him all the best and hope he continues to improve and fulfil his potential. Thank you Aaron. Come back in a couple of years for £10 million please.

Totally agree. Good business for both clubs.Gutted he is leaving but too much money for us to turn down and a right back is not the hardest position to resolve. I hope he gets to the very top as it would be great to see another youth product reach their full potential.

Hopefully this will mean we can play serious hardball for Zaha as he will be much harder to replace.

Good luck AWB, it has been brief but you are a player who will always be remembered. Best fullback I have seen at the club since Sansom and when Ashley Cole came on loan.

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 26 Jun 19 7.37pm

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

We won’t have the best attack out of the top 4 if Wilf goes, we got by last season by the skin of our teeth again, don’t let that finishing position fool you. We most probably do need the money, but the fact we are paying Tekkers over the odds grinds my gears...

I said best attacker, Gary, not best attack.

Our strikers are a joke.

 


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Fatherken Flag 26 Jun 19 7.48pm

my money has it , that when he goes to Man U , he will be in the next England squad and at the end of the season he will be young player of the year . that what happens with larger teams than ours

 

PatrickA Flag London 26 Jun 19 7.54pm

We won’t know if it’s a good deal for the club for a few months.
Some people are making the assumption that we will buy some talented expensive players with the money to have an immediate impact on the first team.
I remain sceptical as we seem to be in cost cutting mode and none of us know the impact of the uncertainty around the ownership.
We seem to be looking at free transfers, loans and players out of contract.
I’m all for a bargain but I’d like to see a more imaginative transfer strategy which smaller clubs like Bournemouth, Watford and Southampton seem to manage.
If we sell Zaha as well we will know the problems are more deep rooted and I hope this will not be the case as I genuinely believe Parish is ambitious for the club.
I just can’t see a longer term strategy or vision.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Jun 19 8.05pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Your broken record project fear hyperbole bores me.

What else should we sell a player for? Stock options? A packet of skips and a box of milk tray?

Yes we sold for money, and do you know why? Because we need money. Its simple isnt it, you dont need a degree in economics and capitalism to understand what went on here.

You dont become a selling club because you sell one player! Utter tripe, as usual. That is absolute nonsense. Parish and co have been s***e at selling players in fact with the exception of Bolasie which was a great bit of business.

Please google "selling club" to learn what the phrase actually means. We sell far too few players to qualify I am afraid.

If we are a selling club how do you explain us having the best attacker outside the top 4 on our books, head and shoulders above any attacking players at any team around us?

You cant, because your argument is the usual tripe.

Please google 'I will be sorry when we don't spend hardly any of the money on players because it is going in the shareholders pockets'.

 

Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 26 Jun 19 8.07pm

All that matters is Wilf staying, Forget AWB, Wilf stays mid table, goes relegation a strong possibility, he has a four year contact, just say no sale

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 26 Jun 19 8.39pm

Originally posted by Noz

80 odd pages of arguing about whether this is a good deal for us or not. I know Talksport is not exactly the Mecca of reliable news stories but they had Mel Morris on there talking about the Frank Lampard issue, with him being given permission to talk to Chelsea, which, ostensibly, for a lot of Derby fans seems to be a defeatist move by the club. Mel Morris said that, fans and those people outside the club have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. What might seem like a suicidal move from a fans perspective, might well be deemed a very positive move by those involved in the actual negotiation,

I’m going to take an over arching generalisation here, but I’m guessing not many of you were involved in the Crystal Palace side of negotiations for this particular transfer.

Have faith in those that were involved, because surprisingly they have more experience in professional premier league transfer negotiations than we do.

Edited by Noz (26 Jun 2019 7.26pm)

Love the sentiment, although I'm not sure our boards' historic scattergun approach/ high wages for average players lends credibility to having blind faith in their ability to secure favourable/successful transfers.

More likely in this instance they've cashed in on a ridiculous profit on an asset.

It'll be more telling to see what they do with the money.

 

JohnB Flag 26 Jun 19 8.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Nice attempt to cover your mistake.

The conditions of the extra 5 million are as yet unknown.

Not sure why you think me responding to you saying we don’t even get the £50m upfront and me saying instalments are common is me covering my mistake, but given the absolute nonsense you’ve posted for the last few weeks, nothing surprises me.

 

Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 26 Jun 19 9.27pm

Originally posted by Fatherken

my money has it , that when he goes to Man U , he will be in the next England squad and at the end of the season he will be young player of the year . that what happens with larger teams than ours

Think others on here have a good point that it will all depend how he is utilised at Man Ure. Certainly has great defensive attributes but offensively not quite as good yet. However has played as a winger and if he matures in this dept as you say could be a huge star for the future. Hopefully as part of the deal we have put in place a sell on clause. In relation to Wilf hoping for him to stay, as you do worry we could do a Swansea here and drop like a stone.

 


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essetwentyone Flag london 26 Jun 19 9.35pm

£50 million for a kid after just 1 season ! His last game was poor.
Only Man Ure would’ve paid this much and that’s because of their current situation. Turns out AWB was a Man Ure fan anyway.
All in all a great deal for CPFC. Well done Steve Parish.

 

becky Flag over the moon 26 Jun 19 9.47pm

Originally posted by Fatherken

my money has it , that when he goes to Man U , he will be in the next England squad and at the end of the season he will be young player of the year . that what happens with larger teams than ours

Either that or, he will make a bad mistake in his first match, be put on the bench as punishment, lose his confidence and end up wishing he was back a good old, forgiving, SP

 


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Harry Beever Flag Newbury 26 Jun 19 10.39pm

Originally posted by becky

Either that or, he will make a bad mistake in his first match, be put on the bench as punishment, lose his confidence and end up wishing he was back a good old, forgiving, SP

I don’t think that’s Solskjaer’s style however long he’ll be there for. Might be a Wilf situation in that he’s signed by a manager who leaves a few months into the season and a new manager comes in who hasn't signed him and benches him. Will miss his efforts on the pitch but not his post match interviews.

 

Warlodog Flag Warlingham 26 Jun 19 10.50pm

As the limit of our ambition is purely to stay in the Premiership, then it comes as no surprise that we are selling one of our best players, even if the Moan U offer probably is too good to turn down.


Player power rules these days and whilst AWB has behaved impeccably, it is possible that had we prevented his move it might have affected his game for next season.


We are not alone - look at the talent that has left Southampton in recent years. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that the money will be spent wisely, assuming it is spent. Fulham spent £100M and got relegated and the Seaweed pent £60M and none of those players featured toward the end of their abysmal season.


I despise the parasites that form the top six clubs, none more so than the show ponies that play at Old Trafford. Fortunately they have a manger that will be gone by Xmas, so little chance of AWB plating in the Champions League any time soon.


 

jeeagles Flag 26 Jun 19 10.54pm

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace


An odd list of transfers to compare this to.

I don't think anybody expected Ambrose, Murray, Gayle or Jedinak to go on and prove themselves as £100m players, particularly as three of them were sold into the Championship and Murray was already in his 30s.

Zaha is the only one who is really comparable but he has mitigation for failing at United as he was the single biggest victim of Fergie retiring.

Don't think there's any doubt that, barring horrific injury, AWB will go on to have the sort of career that most of that list could only have dreamed of.

I was trying to think of the last time we sold someone who went on to achieve something. Ian Wright maybe?

I wish him the best of luck.

£50M for a right back who's played 1 full season is a good peice of business.

I'll miss his flying last ditch tackles. Although, I did have a few unpopular doubts about his ability. No doubt a really good player, but he seemed to give the ball away a lot, his positioning had a lot to work on but he got away with it because of his pace. I'd also question why he was so often found in the position where he had to make a last ditch tackle.

When Wilf left, there was a reluctance to let him go, but it seemed there was also some pride that we produced a lad who was expected to go on an achieve great things at Man U. The reaction today shows how far we've come and how far they have fallen.

Let's wait and see how he's replaced.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 26 Jun 19 11.42pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

I couldn't have put it better myself, completely agree.

Hrolf never, ever will. Ever.

 


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