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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jan 20 8.48am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, not forgetting their links with 'Hope Not Hate', which is a parody name for an NGO if ever there was one. With Boris Johnson, we finally seem to have someone in charge who isn't going to put up with the contempt that this once great publicly funded institution have for views that would exist outside the Guardian. The social liberals destroyed the BBC like they fecking destroy everything. Now, things are going to change in some way.....hopefully. One of many campaign groups that masquerade as a charity for the tax breaks and not just on the left there are dozens of them across the whole political spectrum. There is nothing wrong with campaign groups but they are not charities. I noticed that the latest Doctor Who series kicked off with a record low audience still the rainbow Tardis will not doubt keep spinning. The only good news that BBC has had over Christmas is that downloads from IPlayer went up significantly which is ironic as it's a streaming service. So when the BBC says it doesn't have a financial model to replace the licence fee the politicians will point to IPlayer as a way forward. You now need an id and password the only thing missing is to pay for it. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 06 Jan 20 8.48am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, not forgetting their links with 'Hope Not Hate', which is a parody name for an NGO if ever there was one.

With Boris Johnson, we finally seem to have someone in charge who isn't going to put up with the contempt that this once great publicly funded institution have for views that would exist outside the Guardian.

The social liberals destroyed the BBC like they fecking destroy everything. Now, things are going to change in some way.....hopefully.

One of many campaign groups that masquerade as a charity for the tax breaks and not just on the left there are dozens of them across the whole political spectrum. There is nothing wrong with campaign groups but they are not charities.

I noticed that the latest Doctor Who series kicked off with a record low audience still the rainbow Tardis will not doubt keep spinning.

The only good news that BBC has had over Christmas is that downloads from IPlayer went up significantly which is ironic as it's a streaming service.

So when the BBC says it doesn't have a financial model to replace the licence fee the politicians will point to IPlayer as a way forward. You now need an id and password the only thing missing is to pay for it.

One more point

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Jan 20 12.02pm
[Link] Does a bear s*** in the woods? I'm shocked I tell ya. Here's hoping Ricky Gervaise is hosting. [Link] Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Jan 20 12.02pm

[Link]

Does a bear s*** in the woods? I'm shocked I tell ya. Here's hoping Ricky Gervaise is hosting.

[Link]

Pro USA & Israel

PalazioVecchio south pole 07 Jan 20 12.56pm
Hope not Hate ? didn't the bloke who beheaded Lee Rigby give a speech at a 'Unite against fascism' rally ? so much for 'hope not hate'. I hope they stop hating democracy. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 07 Jan 20 12.56pm

Hope not Hate ?

didn't the bloke who beheaded Lee Rigby give a speech at a 'Unite against fascism' rally ?

so much for 'hope not hate'. I hope they stop hating democracy.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Stirlingsays 07 Jan 20 1.05pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Hope not Hate ? didn't the bloke who beheaded Lee Rigby give a speech at a 'Unite against fascism' rally ? so much for 'hope not hate'. I hope they stop hating democracy. I think he was in the crowd. 'Hope Not Hate' are mostly a far left activist organization that are used by the BBC's political programmmes and even the government to battle against conservative voices and ideas that would have been common place in Thatcher's Tory party of the eighties. I hope to see Johnson sort them out good and proper. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jan 2020 1.06pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Jan 20 1.05pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Hope not Hate ?

didn't the bloke who beheaded Lee Rigby give a speech at a 'Unite against fascism' rally ?

so much for 'hope not hate'. I hope they stop hating democracy.

I think he was in the crowd.

'Hope Not Hate' are mostly a far left activist organization that are used by the BBC's political programmmes and even the government to battle against conservative voices and ideas that would have been common place in Thatcher's Tory party of the eighties.

I hope to see Johnson sort them out good and proper.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jan 2020 1.06pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 07 Jan 20 9.07pm
Yet another example of the double standards applied to different racial groups by the BBC......An organization which recently ran a video piece on its website that attacked 'whiteness'. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Jan 20 9.07pm

Yet another example of the double standards applied to different racial groups by the BBC......An organization which recently ran a video piece on its website that attacked 'whiteness'.

[Link]

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 07 Jan 20 9.31pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yet another example of the double standards applied to different racial groups by the BBC......An organization which recently ran a video piece on its website that attacked 'whiteness'. [Link] And this is just contemporary Africa [Link]

Slimey Toad

Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 07 Jan 20 9.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yet another example of the double standards applied to different racial groups by the BBC......An organization which recently ran a video piece on its website that attacked 'whiteness'.

[Link]

And this is just contemporary Africa

[Link]

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Jan 20 9.42pm
Originally posted by Slimey Toad And this is just contemporary Africa [Link] I suggest you post this on the BBS & then watch them self combust!! Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Jan 20 9.42pm

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

And this is just contemporary Africa

[Link]

I suggest you post this on the BBS & then watch them self combust!!

Pro USA & Israel

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jan 20 10.15pm
I read the last few posts in this thread with real amusement. "Hope not Hate" exists as a counter to exactly the kind of views that are often expressed here. The cynical criticism just shows how much they are needed. They might be just an absurdity to some people here but to many others they represent a beacon of hope in a dark world. That matters. It is perhaps inevitable that an organisation which opposes the far right attracts people on the left but that fact ought not to obscure the value of their objectives. I oppose far right ideas and I am far from part of the left, let alone the hard left. Their objectives are set out here:- [Link] The idea that Johnson will start to "sort them out" is really risible! My expectation is that organisations like this will be encouraged and funded by the government as they try to heal a divided nation. Let's see. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 07 Jan 20 10.15pm

I read the last few posts in this thread with real amusement. "Hope not Hate" exists as a counter to exactly the kind of views that are often expressed here.

The cynical criticism just shows how much they are needed. They might be just an absurdity to some people here but to many others they represent a beacon of hope in a dark world. That matters.

It is perhaps inevitable that an organisation which opposes the far right attracts people on the left but that fact ought not to obscure the value of their objectives. I oppose far right ideas and I am far from part of the left, let alone the hard left. Their objectives are set out here:-

[Link]

The idea that Johnson will start to "sort them out" is really risible! My expectation is that organisations like this will be encouraged and funded by the government as they try to heal a divided nation. Let's see.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 07 Jan 20 10.32pm
'Heal a divided nation'. From the fraction who have degenerated society and caused the divide.....which is only going to worsen, any fool can see it. They use lies and smears and are thoroughly underhanded. What a joke. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jan 2020 10.35pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Jan 20 10.32pm

'Heal a divided nation'.

From the fraction who have degenerated society and caused the divide.....which is only going to worsen, any fool can see it.

They use lies and smears and are thoroughly underhanded.

What a joke.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jan 2020 10.35pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 07 Jan 20 10.37pm
Originally posted by Slimey Toad And this is just contemporary Africa [Link] Mmmm....Sure don't look like Wakanda to me. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Jan 20 10.37pm

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

And this is just contemporary Africa

[Link]

Mmmm....Sure don't look like Wakanda to me.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jan 20 10.52pm
We can disagree about the reasons why the country is divided (and I have my own opinions on that) but no-one can deny that it is divided. Playing a blame game achieves nothing. Making sure that every section of society not only has a voice which is heard, but that those in power listen to those voices, has to be the only way to begin a healing process. Johnson might be a buffoon but he has some astute political operators advising him. I am pretty sure they won't want him to deliberately seek to widen the divisions and risk losing the goodwill he now has in communities where the Tories had none in the past. There is no need to fear the left. It has committed suicide and is out of the picture for the foreseeable future. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 07 Jan 20 10.52pm

We can disagree about the reasons why the country is divided (and I have my own opinions on that) but no-one can deny that it is divided.

Playing a blame game achieves nothing. Making sure that every section of society not only has a voice which is heard, but that those in power listen to those voices, has to be the only way to begin a healing process.

Johnson might be a buffoon but he has some astute political operators advising him. I am pretty sure they won't want him to deliberately seek to widen the divisions and risk losing the goodwill he now has in communities where the Tories had none in the past.

There is no need to fear the left. It has committed suicide and is out of the picture for the foreseeable future.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 07 Jan 20 11.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We can disagree about the reasons why the country is divided (and I have my own opinions on that) but no-one can deny that it is divided. Playing a blame game achieves nothing. Making sure that every section of society not only has a voice which is heard, but that those in power listen to those voices, has to be the only way to begin a healing process. Johnson might be a buffoon but he has some astute political operators advising him. I am pretty sure they won't want him to deliberately seek to widen the divisions and risk losing the goodwill he now has in communities where the Tories had none in the past. There is no need to fear the left. It has committed suicide and is out of the picture for the foreseeable future. Dont fear the left because they are weak I guess you a implying. A wounded animal and all that. Yes some are afraid as to look around the world and see what the true left are about is a time and a place I dont want to experience again.

cryrst

The garden of England 07 Jan 20 11.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We can disagree about the reasons why the country is divided (and I have my own opinions on that) but no-one can deny that it is divided.

There is no need to fear the left. It has committed suicide and is out of the picture for the foreseeable future.

Dont fear the left because they are weak I guess you a implying.
A wounded animal and all that.
Yes some are afraid as to look around the world and see what the true left are about is a time and a place I dont want to experience again.

Teddy Eagle 07 Jan 20 11.04pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We can disagree about the reasons why the country is divided (and I have my own opinions on that) but no-one can deny that it is divided. Playing a blame game achieves nothing. Making sure that every section of society not only has a voice which is heard, but that those in power listen to those voices, has to be the only way to begin a healing process. Johnson might be a buffoon but he has some astute political operators advising him. I am pretty sure they won't want him to deliberately seek to widen the divisions and risk losing the goodwill he now has in communities where the Tories had none in the past. There is no need to fear the left. It has committed suicide and is out of the picture for the foreseeable future. Intrigued about why he’s a buffoon? He’s achieved more than anyone on here and more than most would even conceive of attempting.

Teddy Eagle

07 Jan 20 11.04pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We can disagree about the reasons why the country is divided (and I have my own opinions on that) but no-one can deny that it is divided.

There is no need to fear the left. It has committed suicide and is out of the picture for the foreseeable future.

Intrigued about why he’s a buffoon? He’s achieved more than anyone on here and more than most would even conceive of attempting.

Stirlingsays 07 Jan 20 11.04pm
When a crime is committed. blame gets attributed.....not shirked. Those who have downgraded society and those that have supported that downgrading via idealistic and false dreams deserve nothing but the blood on their hands. In terms of social cohesion....Brexit showed that those outside the cities very very much don't want what they know is coming. They have rejected mass immigration.....If people want 'healing' they will listen. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Jan 20 11.04pm

When a crime is committed. blame gets attributed.....not shirked.

Those who have downgraded society and those that have supported that downgrading via idealistic and false dreams deserve nothing but the blood on their hands.

In terms of social cohesion....Brexit showed that those outside the cities very very much don't want what they know is coming.

They have rejected mass immigration.....If people want 'healing' they will listen.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 07 Jan 20 11.05pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Intrigued about why he’s a buffoon? He’s achieved more than anyone on here and more than most would even conceive of attempting. Salient. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Jan 20 11.05pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Intrigued about why he’s a buffoon? He’s achieved more than anyone on here and more than most would even conceive of attempting.

Salient.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jan 20 11.41pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Intrigued about why he’s a buffoon? He’s achieved more than anyone on here and more than most would even conceive of attempting. Exactly what has he achieved, other than for himself? He adopted the leave campaign solely as a means to achieve personal ambition. He frustrated Parliament and was found to have acted unlawfully in doing so. He deliberately withheld a security report that I suspect would have torpedoed the whole strategy. He has only succeeded because of the total ineptitude of the primary opposition party. Without them, or even with them under another leader, he would probably have been toast. This situation has been gifted to him through a series of own goals. By most observers reckoning the "deal" that "got Brexit done" is weaker than the one that May negotiated. It's really not much of an achievement is it? He is a blustering buffoon whose real political nous is about to be tested for the first time as he has to decide which side of the fence he puts the UK over the current Iranian crisis. His silence isn't golden. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 07 Jan 20 11.41pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Intrigued about why he’s a buffoon? He’s achieved more than anyone on here and more than most would even conceive of attempting.

Exactly what has he achieved, other than for himself?

He adopted the leave campaign solely as a means to achieve personal ambition. He frustrated Parliament and was found to have acted unlawfully in doing so.

He deliberately withheld a security report that I suspect would have torpedoed the whole strategy.

He has only succeeded because of the total ineptitude of the primary opposition party. Without them, or even with them under another leader, he would probably have been toast.

This situation has been gifted to him through a series of own goals. By most observers reckoning the "deal" that "got Brexit done" is weaker than the one that May negotiated.

It's really not much of an achievement is it?

He is a blustering buffoon whose real political nous is about to be tested for the first time as he has to decide which side of the fence he puts the UK over the current Iranian crisis. His silence isn't golden.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 07 Jan 20 11.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Exactly what has he achieved, other than for himself? He adopted the leave campaign solely as a means to achieve personal ambition. He frustrated Parliament and was found to have acted unlawfully in doing so. He deliberately withheld a security report that I suspect would have torpedoed the whole strategy. He has only succeeded because of the total ineptitude of the primary opposition party. Without them, or even with them under another leader, he would probably have been toast. This situation has been gifted to him through a series of own goals. By most observers reckoning the "deal" that "got Brexit done" is weaker than the one that May negotiated. It's really not much of an achievement is it? He is a blustering buffoon whose real political nous is about to be tested for the first time as he has to decide which side of the fence he puts the UK over the current Iranian crisis. His silence isn't golden. Editor of a national magazine, Foreign Minister, Mayor of London, Leader of his party, Prime Minister, author of several books, etc. He beats me out of sight. How do you compare?

Teddy Eagle

07 Jan 20 11.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Exactly what has he achieved, other than for himself?

He adopted the leave campaign solely as a means to achieve personal ambition. He frustrated Parliament and was found to have acted unlawfully in doing so.

He deliberately withheld a security report that I suspect would have torpedoed the whole strategy.

He has only succeeded because of the total ineptitude of the primary opposition party. Without them, or even with them under another leader, he would probably have been toast.

This situation has been gifted to him through a series of own goals. By most observers reckoning the "deal" that "got Brexit done" is weaker than the one that May negotiated.

It's really not much of an achievement is it?

Editor of a national magazine, Foreign Minister, Mayor of London, Leader of his party, Prime Minister, author of several books, etc.
He beats me out of sight. How do you compare?

becky over the moon 08 Jan 20 7.35am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle We can disagree about the reasons why the country is divided (and I have my own opinions on that) but no-one can deny that it is divided. Playing a blame game achieves nothing. Making sure that every section of society not only has a voice which is heard, but that those in power listen to those voices, has to be the only way to begin a healing process. Johnson might be a buffoon but he has some astute political operators advising him. I am pretty sure they won't want him to deliberately seek to widen the divisions and risk losing the goodwill he now has in communities where the Tories had none in the past. There is no need to fear the left. It has committed suicide and is out of the picture for the foreseeable future. If they had listened to those voices in the first place, instead of trying to thwart their expressed wish every step of the way, there would be no need for a 'healing process' now. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 08 Jan 20 7.35am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We can disagree about the reasons why the country is divided (and I have my own opinions on that) but no-one can deny that it is divided.

Playing a blame game achieves nothing. Making sure that every section of society not only has a voice which is heard, but that those in power listen to those voices, has to be the only way to begin a healing process.

There is no need to fear the left. It has committed suicide and is out of the picture for the foreseeable future.

If they had listened to those voices in the first place, instead of trying to thwart their expressed wish every step of the way, there would be no need for a 'healing process' now.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jan 20 10.43am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Editor of a national magazine, Foreign Minister, Mayor of London, Leader of his party, Prime Minister, author of several books, etc. He beats me out of sight. How do you compare? I was concentrating on the present situation and not the past. He was though always a buffoon. A well educated one for sure but still a buffoon. Amusing on "Have I got news for you" but of concern when given real power. I personally prefer serious politicians to become our PM and not attention seekers. How do I compare? I didn't go to Eton! I grew up on a council estate, "failed" the 11+ and went to a secondary modern school leaving at 16. Nevertheless, I had a successful career which included becoming the MD of 2 businesses, one of which is a brand you will see in every supermarket. I then owned 2 businesses of my own, giving employment to many people. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jan 2020 10.50am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 08 Jan 20 10.43am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Editor of a national magazine, Foreign Minister, Mayor of London, Leader of his party, Prime Minister, author of several books, etc.
He beats me out of sight. How do you compare?

I was concentrating on the present situation and not the past. He was though always a buffoon. A well educated one for sure but still a buffoon. Amusing on "Have I got news for you" but of concern when given real power. I personally prefer serious politicians to become our PM and not attention seekers.

How do I compare? I didn't go to Eton! I grew up on a council estate, "failed" the 11+ and went to a secondary modern school leaving at 16. Nevertheless, I had a successful career which included becoming the MD of 2 businesses, one of which is a brand you will see in every supermarket. I then owned 2 businesses of my own, giving employment to many people.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jan 2020 10.50am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 08 Jan 20 10.52am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I was concentrating on the present situation and not the past. He was though always a buffoon. A well educated one for sure but still a buffoon. Amusing on "Have I got news for you" but of concern when given real power. I personally prefer serious politicians to become our PM and not attention seekers. How do I compare? I didn't go to Eton! I grew up on a council estate, "failed" the 11+ and went to a secondary modern school leaving at 16. Nevertheless, I had a successful career which included becoming the MD of 2 businesses, one of which is a brand you will see in every supermarket. I then owned 2 businesses of my own, giving employment to many people. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jan 2020 10.50am) But...he’s a politician. They all know more than the rest of us, don’t they? So you have been assuring everyone for months anyway.

Teddy Eagle

08 Jan 20 10.52am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Jan 2020 10.50am)

But...he’s a politician. They all know more than the rest of us, don’t they? So you have been assuring everyone for months anyway.

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