Well, the UK referendum in 2016 was very largely based on race and the hatred of foreigners by a very large percentage of older generations. SO, not really hijacked at all but highlighting the core reason for so many voting the way they did.

Edited by europalace (18 Mar 2018 7.05am)

Transition period agreed....some positive news around Brexit

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It's easy to pour scorn on these things I guess to suit our agenda....but progress is progress and anyone thinking it'd be a hard Brexit was only kidding themselves...there is too much to lose on either side for that to be the case.

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I agree, it is a big piece of progress but much more to the advantage of the EU. For the UK, in relative terms it's massive progress compared to what the 'brexiteers' demanded, which was no transition, no deal with the EU. That clearly will not happen now and definitely not suit their agenda at all.

What hasn't been sorted out yet is the EU citizenship of those UK citizens who are living outside the UK and in the EU. They have a right to retain that status and I can see some huge court cases with massive litigation if that isn't resolved.

I can also see a new referendum being organised during the next 20 months, maybe taking place around the Autumn of 2020.

Edited by europalace (19 Mar 2018 2.33pm)

"Mr Barnier said there was also an agreement on the rights of 4.5m EU citizens in the UK and the 1.2m UK citizens in the EU after Brexit, including giving EU citizens arriving in the UK during the transition the same rights and guarantees as those who arrive before Brexit."

Yes it has

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What I am concerned with, as are many people, is how we can retain our european citizenship.

The idea of 'associate' membership retaining our benefits and culture is attractive so hopefully there will be something for those of us who want it.

In fairness quite a lot of studies/surveys have been done on why people voted the way they did. For instance we know that people who viewed things like gender equality, sexual equality, immigration, climate preservation as forces for ill voted Brexit in c.80% of cases.

Still no deal/detail on customs, on services, on air travel, on fisheries, on agriculture, on migration post Brexit, on trade deals (can't start negotiating the ones we're losing let alone new ones until 2019).

Didn't have to be like this. Theresa bodged it by enacting article 50 before doing any prep. Presented the EU with an open goal. She's done an appalling job with Brexit and just about everything else.

er, to stay or leave the EU once ALL of the details of any deal for trade/immigration/citizenship/ Northern Ireland is actually known and agreed. That will be towards the end of 2020. That is the only time a referendum should take place, when you know what's on the table that you're voting for.

You just don't get it dear boy do you?

Remoaners might as well talk to themselves for all it matters. Leaving was voted for in this country with all the economic fear mongering in full voice.

I even had a leaflet delivered through my door from the government pushing the remain message complete with lies about economic disaster from the treasury.

Get it straight cloth ears.

A majority of us don't like the EU.....even a percent who were frightened into voting remain resent it.

We are leaving because we don't want immigration from the EU and control from its politicians and undemocratic commission.

That isn't going to change.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Mar 2018 3.38am)

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