Many people voted for issues that will only worsen in a weakening economy, though. This is what happens when neoliberalism rules the roost. Money is everything, especially when you’ve got Tories in power.

All those who voted to significantly control immigration, when all of the evidence suggests it brings a net contribution financially to the country are living in a fantasy land to think that whoever’s in charge of the country will significantly reduce the intake of immigrants, in or out.

British government, especially the Tories, will abandon all principles, amicable or not, for the sake of the economy.

The point I make over and over again to leavers is issues such as mass immigration are the fault of British Parliament, not the EU or EU migrants themselves.

It’s exploitation for financial gain, simple as. And from an economic point of view, it’s worked. It’s no good blaming waiting times in the NHS on foreigners but then putting yourself in a position where you can barely afford to sufficiently fund it. Let alone find enough people to sufficiently run it.

In a neoliberal & capitalist world, which I know you’re a fan of, the state of the Economy will always come first.

Edited by Mstrobez (06 Apr 2018 5.50pm)

'Its the economy, stoopid!'

Hate to admit it as I dislike the economy being the be-all and end-all of everything, I especially dislike hero-worship of GDP.

It's a view....net immigration has already come down and Brexit hasn't even started yet.

If you think that the Tory grassroots will accept the same 300, 000 net immigration increases after Brexit I think your judgement is way off.

The state of the economy doesn't always come first....I voted Brexit, which is accepting choppy economic waters for....probably a decade or more.

I'm anti globalisation....London is already spoken about as a migrant city and that's the city I grew up in. I'm a malcontent.

I fully appreciate it may not always come first to you personally, but to a Tory government, it most certainly will. Even in a ”new” blairite labour one it most certainly will. They just have mildly different ideas of how to achieve it, but all in all it’s a different cheek on the same neoliberal backside when you properly assess it on paper.

I personally can’t stand the basis of the worlds economy and think it’s all a bit f***ed up but if you’re a believer in capitalism in its current form, it’s hard to argue putting the economy above everything else isn’t the responsible way to approach things.

RE your immigration point. I do think immigration will come down, but not significantly. It will be a damage limitation with the intention to soften the financial blow as much as possible and would probably differ very little from the type of restrictions we could’ve already had whilst in the EU. Remember we chose not to enact the 3 month rule on EU migrants who don’t contribute to the economy (believe it or not we did have this control). Again, the reason isn’t hard to find. It would cost money to implement a system that could properly oversee such restrictions and was almost certainly deemed as something of a net-loss to the countries purse and not worth the hassle.

I find it ironic that many leave voters of the context I referred to previously are faithful believers in minimal regulation & big business, yet believe that they can somehow prosper more in the climate they apparently support, with less money being circulated. It just doesn’t really make any sense. Especially when many of them are already struggling to get by & cite that as a main reason to get out.

Not saying that accurately describes you, but it certainly does many of the Brexiters I’ve come across, and the majority of people I know voted leave.

Edited by Mstrobez (06 Apr 2018 7.56pm)

'I voted Brexit, which is accepting choppy economic waters for....probably a decade or more'.

You don't speak for leavers but yourself.

The reason brexit is not going to happen as leavers voted for is that brexit no longer exists in that form.

Brexit is now about re-alignment with the EU under their terms, the UK is not leaving, it looks like the UK will be tied but have little control in what happens.

The reason is that the UK can not take the financial hit of being outside the bloc with no other arrangements into the future.

The treasury has to face reality and the leave targets steadily dropping away as we have seen, for the chancellor having little or no change is essential to manage the risks.

It is the economy, the previous poster was right.

Wave your flag for a day next March, that's all you will get.

We tend to robustly agree on some things and robustly disagree on others.

Some would treat the disagreements as bullying but that's because they are delicate little flowers who for some reason are on the politics section of a football forum.

No one could accuse you of that.....oh and by the way, America's doing economically fine.

.............that supporters of the EU are happy to forever laden themselves with debt to justify a dream.
No offence, but you are economically blind.

Stick it all on red!

BitConnect!!!

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Maybe, I have a suspicion that the larger it gets the more governments will look to restrict it.

Potentially it could take the BS and the middle men, crooks and likely lads out of the financial industry.....but potentially I'm Brad Pitt.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2018 10.21pm)