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 Stirlingsays Online  13 Mar 24 2.01am |
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| Matov 13 Mar 24 7.52am |
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This latest, utter insanity. A genuine WTF moment.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Mar 24 8.04am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
This language is simply wrong and indefensible.
Two wrongs etc Once again our democracy becomes all about race issues. Can't people see how we are being undermined?
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 HKOwen Online  Hong Kong 13 Mar 24 9.01am |
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Including foreign criminals, unbelieveable
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Mar 24 9.32am |
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It looks like election window dressing as I cannot imagine anyone voluntarily accepting such a deal. That said, set against the overall costs of illegal immigration, £3000 per person is peanuts.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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Teddy Eagle  13 Mar 24 9.51am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It looks like election window dressing as I cannot imagine anyone voluntarily accepting such a deal. That said, set against the overall costs of illegal immigration, £3000 per person is peanuts. They should extend the idea to include everyone in prison. Incarceration costs £40,000 a year per head.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Mar 24 10.22am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We fully disagree on what's acceptable on free speech and its consequences. I'm not going to criticise Badger but personally that perspective isn't for me. To be frank I'm tired of the right accepting the left's perspective on anything. It only goes one way and it's coming to an end. In fact this type of behaviour is precisely what has been behind the right's failure to conserve any of its prior social principles. So while this isn't my language I'm against the obvious moves of the establishment who want to ban and punish this type of speech....Indeed, their laws already ban it. Until those laws are changed this country isn't free.
I think you're wildly distorting this story - you're crowbarring a wider view you hold into a event where I don't think it really fits or needs to fit. This is not 'the left's perspective' or anything close to that - it has and should be condemned by anyone interested in just basic civility. No one should be calling for politicians to be shot. On the free speech point; free speech does not exclude him from consequence. As far as I can see, no one is calling for him to be arrested or imprisoned for his words - if he wants to make such stupid comments, he's 'free' to do it, and people are free to react to that however they see fit. In what way has his freedom of speech been infringed?
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| Wilesy01 Bristol 13 Mar 24 11.15am |
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The best take I've seen on this issue: [Tweet Link]
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| silvertop Portishead 13 Mar 24 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Was it absurd? He didn't say he hated Black people. Who cares if he does? If a Black person said that, the left would blame White people. It's all a game, and yes, I get it. You don't care. No you still don't get it. I am deliberately avoiding the discussion and all surrounding issues and laser focusing on his defence that his comment had nothing to do with her gender or skin colour. I know some posters on here can be a bit po-faced and intense, but come on! Not even the slightest crack of a smile? BTW, I am still laughing.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Mar 24 11.33am |
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Agree, I quite enjoyed this commentary. The story here is such a nothingness it's unreal - 'Man says something incredibly stupid, the left zone in on it for nothing more than to justify their existence and the Tories take swift action so as not to provide the left with any more firepower than has arrived already'. But the system keeps going regardless and it has no impact on any of our lives.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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| Stirlingsays Online 13 Mar 24 11.35am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I think you're wildly distorting this story - you're crowbarring a wider view you hold into a event where I don't think it really fits or needs to fit. This is not 'the left's perspective' or anything close to that - it has and should be condemned by anyone interested in just basic civility. No one should be calling for politicians to be shot. No, I totally disagree. It is the left's perspective and I reject it precisely because I know what it has led to and where it's going. Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
On the free speech point; free speech does not exclude him from consequence. As far as I can see, no one is calling for him to be arrested or imprisoned for his words - if he wants to make such stupid comments, he's 'free' to do it, and people are free to react to that however they see fit. In what way has his freedom of speech been infringed? Stalin had exactly the same argument. People could say whatever they liked there as well....it was all about the consequences. Socially, I have little issue with people complaining about what he said.. That is itself free speech and thus not the concern. The concern is State and/or corporate (which is regulated by the state or increasingly monopolies) consequences are what is important. By dint of wealth this guy will probably not suffer life changing consequences but someone who wasn't loaded would. So the infringement is the chilling effect on people's opinions. The resultant manufactured consent aspect that this results in within all societies where significant consequences for opinions thrive. No one needs to protect the free speech they agree with. People see white people being slagged off all the time....people sacked for flying 'white lives matter' banners, jailed for two years for putting up stickers. Those are real world consequences for free speech that are a reflection of laws that embolden companies to take action out of fear (badgered by activists and threatened publicity) or compliance due to possible cases taken against them....again which Blair's laws started...'protected classes' being the catalyst.
Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2024 12.17pm)
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| georgenorman 13 Mar 24 11.46am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I think you're wildly distorting this story - you're crowbarring a wider view you hold into a event where I don't think it really fits or needs to fit. This is not 'the left's perspective' or anything close to that - it has and should be condemned by anyone interested in just basic civility. No one should be calling for politicians to be shot. On the free speech point; free speech does not exclude him from consequence. As far as I can see, no one is calling for him to be arrested or imprisoned for his words - if he wants to make such stupid comments, he's 'free' to do it, and people are free to react to that however they see fit. In what way has his freedom of speech been infringed? Clearly what he said was racist and I agree that no one should be calling for politicians to be shot. It is on a par with Jo Brand when she said acid should be thrown in Farage's face - but I don't recall the Left on here and elsewhere condemning her and her career has careered on without her being cancelled.
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