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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 25 Nov 16 11.57am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle The difference is people know the political angle of the newspapers. They are allowed to be biased in that sense. TV news is supposed to be impartial – especially the licence-funded BBC and we all know that is more left leaning. We agree that Channel 4 News is left/liberal but Sky News is certainly not right wing. The recent interview with Raheem Kassam is an example of this. Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Nov 2016 10.05pm) People only know the political angle of newspapers because they are either apparently "common knowledge" or because they are able to differentiate themselves. Which they are completely able to do with the broadcast news as well. And if you don't think Sky has a right-wing bias then you're watching a completely different channel. Sky News absolutely does have a right wing bias. I'll have to watch ITV news to make my own judgement about it's political stance which seems so obvious to some. Surveys (admittedly a bit out of date but can't find any contemporary ones) suggest that the prevailing opinion is that Sky is the most biased of all organisations and towards the right ( [Link] ), and recent review of the sources used show that the BBC has been pushed towards the right in its bias ( [Link] - although you could make an argument that they have been pushed to the right from a left-leaning start point) Edited by OknotOK (25 Nov 2016 12.02pm) "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Cockfosters, London 25 Nov 16 11.57am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The difference is people know the political angle of the newspapers. They are allowed to be biased in that sense.

TV news is supposed to be impartial – especially the licence-funded BBC and we all know that is more left leaning. We agree that Channel 4 News is left/liberal but Sky News is certainly not right wing. The recent interview with Raheem Kassam is an example of this.

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Nov 2016 10.05pm)

People only know the political angle of newspapers because they are either apparently "common knowledge" or because they are able to differentiate themselves. Which they are completely able to do with the broadcast news as well.

And if you don't think Sky has a right-wing bias then you're watching a completely different channel. Sky News absolutely does have a right wing bias.

I'll have to watch ITV news to make my own judgement about it's political stance which seems so obvious to some.

Surveys (admittedly a bit out of date but can't find any contemporary ones) suggest that the prevailing opinion is that Sky is *the most* biased of all organisations and towards the right ( [Link] ), and recent review of the sources used show that the BBC has been pushed towards the right in its bias ( [Link] - although you could make an argument that they have been pushed to the right from a left-leaning start point)

Edited by OknotOK (25 Nov 2016 12.02pm)

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Nov 16 3.58pm
Originally posted by elgrande Yes a bunch of odious cretins,but not really known for killing or shooting people. Where as the the 2 scum bags who killed Lee Rugby have. Doesn't excuse what he did,as I have said rot in he'll, but you cannot compare Britain First to ISIS or any other Islamic terror group Yeah, you can, its just a question of scale. Both have a militant mind set, traditionalist ultra-conservative views and a history of violence to obtain political ends. Before we write off Britain First as 'just odious s**ts' they're founder was heavily involved in Ulster Loyalist circles from which they take their inspiration. Given the rise in hate crimes in the UK particually violent hate crimes, and how the right wing national socialist movements in Germany operate (by not claiming murders and violent acts) I wouldn't be too surprised to find that Britain First and the EDL had a penchant for what we would call terrorism if they were Muslim. However, in Germany, a neo-Nazi cell of three managed to murder 11 or 12 people before the Police even started to consider they were racially motivated hate crimes Its much easier for Far Right terror groups 'to slip under the radar' as their crimes tend to be 'less obvious' and dramatic than Islamist militancy. The very far right have at least three separate murders, some bombings and arsons on their record in the UK. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 25 Nov 16 3.58pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Yes a bunch of odious cretins,but not really known for killing or shooting people.
Where as the the 2 scum bags who killed Lee Rugby have.
Doesn't excuse what he did,as I have said rot in he'll, but you cannot compare Britain First to ISIS or any other Islamic terror group

Yeah, you can, its just a question of scale. Both have a militant mind set, traditionalist ultra-conservative views and a history of violence to obtain political ends.

Before we write off Britain First as 'just odious s**ts' they're founder was heavily involved in Ulster Loyalist circles from which they take their inspiration.

Given the rise in hate crimes in the UK particually violent hate crimes, and how the right wing national socialist movements in Germany operate (by not claiming murders and violent acts) I wouldn't be too surprised to find that Britain First and the EDL had a penchant for what we would call terrorism if they were Muslim.

However, in Germany, a neo-Nazi cell of three managed to murder 11 or 12 people before the Police even started to consider they were racially motivated hate crimes

Its much easier for Far Right terror groups 'to slip under the radar' as their crimes tend to be 'less obvious' and dramatic than Islamist militancy.

The very far right have at least three separate murders, some bombings and arsons on their record in the UK.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Nov 16 7.28pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yeah, you can, its just a question of scale. Both have a militant mind set, traditionalist ultra-conservative views and a history of violence to obtain political ends. Before we write off Britain First as 'just odious sts' they're founder was heavily involved in Ulster Loyalist circles from which they take their inspiration. Given the rise in hate crimes in the UK particually violent hate crimes, and how the right wing national socialist movements in Germany operate (by not claiming murders and violent acts) I wouldn't be too surprised to find that Britain First and the EDL had a penchant for what we would call terrorism if they were Muslim. However, in Germany, a neo-Nazi cell of three managed to murder 11 or 12 people before the Police even started to consider they were racially motivated hate crimes Its much easier for Far Right terror groups 'to slip under the radar' as their crimes tend to be 'less obvious' and dramatic than Islamist militancy. The very far right have at least three separate murders, some bombings and arsons on their record in the UK.** So a lot less than Harold Shipman or Fred West. This is all very interesting but they still don't represent a significant threat.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yeah, you can, its just a question of scale. Both have a militant mind set, traditionalist ultra-conservative views and a history of violence to obtain political ends.

Before we write off Britain First as 'just odious s**ts' they're founder was heavily involved in Ulster Loyalist circles from which they take their inspiration.

However, in Germany, a neo-Nazi cell of three managed to murder 11 or 12 people before the Police even started to consider they were racially motivated hate crimes

Its much easier for Far Right terror groups 'to slip under the radar' as their crimes tend to be 'less obvious' and dramatic than Islamist militancy.

The very far right have at least three separate murders, some bombings and arsons on their record in the UK.

So a lot less than Harold Shipman or Fred West. This is all very interesting but they still don't represent a significant threat.

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Nov 16 7.34pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So a lot less than Harold Shipman or Fred West. This is all very interesting but they still don't represent a significant threat. They do/did to the people they murdered and their families. Let's not forget Anders Breivik and David Copeland too. Patriots both. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 25 Nov 16 7.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So a lot less than Harold Shipman or Fred West. This is all very interesting but they still don't represent a significant threat.

They do/did to the people they murdered and their families.

Let's not forget Anders Breivik and David Copeland too. Patriots both.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Nov 16 7.39pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 They do/did to the people they murdered and their families. Let's not forget Anders Breivik and David Copeland too. Patriots both. Are the Klu Klux Klan active in your town Kermy? If you spent as much energy worrying about ISIS and their sympathisers, I might take you more seriously.
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25 Nov 16 7.39pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

They do/did to the people they murdered and their families.

Let's not forget Anders Breivik and David Copeland too. Patriots both.

Are the Klu Klux Klan active in your town Kermy?

If you spent as much energy worrying about ISIS and their sympathisers, I might take you more seriously.

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elgrande bedford 25 Nov 16 7.46pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yeah, you can, its just a question of scale. Both have a militant mind set, traditionalist ultra-conservative views and a history of violence to obtain political ends. Before we write off Britain First as 'just odious s**ts' they're founder was heavily involved in Ulster Loyalist circles from which they take their inspiration. Given the rise in hate crimes in the UK particually violent hate crimes, and how the right wing national socialist movements in Germany operate (by not claiming murders and violent acts) I wouldn't be too surprised to find that Britain First and the EDL had a penchant for what we would call terrorism if they were Muslim. However, in Germany, a neo-Nazi cell of three managed to murder 11 or 12 people before the Police even started to consider they were racially motivated hate crimes Its much easier for Far Right terror groups 'to slip under the radar' as their crimes tend to be 'less obvious' and dramatic than Islamist militancy. The very far right have at least three separate murders, some bombings and arsons on their record in the UK. But we are not in Germany Jamie,we are in mostly very tolerant Great Britain. Where we had 7/7. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 25 Nov 16 7.46pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yeah, you can, its just a question of scale. Both have a militant mind set, traditionalist ultra-conservative views and a history of violence to obtain political ends.

Before we write off Britain First as 'just odious s**ts' they're founder was heavily involved in Ulster Loyalist circles from which they take their inspiration.

However, in Germany, a neo-Nazi cell of three managed to murder 11 or 12 people before the Police even started to consider they were racially motivated hate crimes

Its much easier for Far Right terror groups 'to slip under the radar' as their crimes tend to be 'less obvious' and dramatic than Islamist militancy.

The very far right have at least three separate murders, some bombings and arsons on their record in the UK.

But we are not in Germany Jamie,we are in mostly very tolerant Great Britain.
Where we had 7/7.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Nov 16 7.49pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Are the Klu Klux Klan active in your town Kermy? If you spent as much energy worrying about ISIS and their sympathisers, I might take you more seriously. I don't worry about either Hrolf. The threat from IS as in everyone is in danger is well over-exaggerated and panders to the paranoid and -phobic. We are a nuclear armed country with special forces and MI5 ffs. Life is too short to be scared by sh1tbags. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Nov 2016 7.50pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 25 Nov 16 7.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are the Klu Klux Klan active in your town Kermy?

If you spent as much energy worrying about ISIS and their sympathisers, I might take you more seriously.

I don't worry about either Hrolf. The threat from IS as in everyone is in danger is well over-exaggerated and panders to the paranoid and -phobic. We are a nuclear armed country with special forces and MI5 ffs.

Life is too short to be scared by sh1tbags.

Edited by Kermit8 (25 Nov 2016 7.50pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Nov 16 8.33pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I don't worry about either Hrolf. The threat from IS as in everyone is in danger is well over-exaggerated and panders to the paranoid and -phobic. We are a nuclear armed country with special forces and MI5 ffs. Life is too short to be scared by sh1tbags. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Nov 2016 7.50pm) Agreed.
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25 Nov 16 8.33pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Life is too short to be scared by sh1tbags.

Edited by Kermit8 (25 Nov 2016 7.50pm)

Agreed.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 25 Nov 16 8.42pm
UK TV news is total right wing p***. the problem is that the printed press has lurched so far right people don't notice. Didn't the Bird with the big tits who used to shag Asians get found guilty a week or so ago of abuse and I heard nothing. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 25 Nov 16 8.42pm

UK TV news is total right wing p***. the problem is that the printed press has lurched so far right people don't notice.

Didn't the Bird with the big tits who used to shag Asians get found guilty a week or so ago of abuse and I heard nothing.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 25 Nov 16 9.03pm
So where does one go for one's fix of truly impartial news reporting? Does it exist? Has it ever existed? Edited by Cucking Funt (25 Nov 2016 9.05pm) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 25 Nov 16 9.03pm

So where does one go for one's fix of truly impartial news reporting?

Does it exist? Has it ever existed?

Edited by Cucking Funt (25 Nov 2016 9.05pm)

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Stuk Top half 25 Nov 16 9.19pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt So where does one go for one's fix of truly impartial news reporting? Does it exist? Has it ever existed? Edited by Cucking Funt (25 Nov 2016 9.05pm) RT if you believe a bloke I was speaking to a few months ago. I was most amused. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 25 Nov 16 9.19pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

So where does one go for one's fix of truly impartial news reporting?

Does it exist? Has it ever existed?

Edited by Cucking Funt (25 Nov 2016 9.05pm)

RT if you believe a bloke I was speaking to a few months ago. I was most amused.

Optimistic as ever

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Nov 16 9.57pm
The only way for true impartiality is to follow a variety of news outlets for a balanced view, then make up your own mind. I look at RT and find it most interesting. They cover stories the UK media won't. Again, it's about balance. Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Nov 2016 9.58pm)
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Beckenham 25 Nov 16 9.57pm

The only way for true impartiality is to follow a variety of news outlets for a balanced view, then make up your own mind.

I look at RT and find it most interesting. They cover stories the UK media won't. Again, it's about balance.

Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Nov 2016 9.58pm)

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