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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 14 Aug 18 5.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You haven't seen The Kingsman movies then? It's been done already.

The first one was much more entertaining than I thought it'd be, although it did run out of steam a couple of times.

 

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Harpo Flag Oxfordshire 14 Aug 18 11.30pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I like Idris Elba but I disagree having him cast as James Bond isn't black.

Indeed. That's why he's called James Blond.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 16 Aug 18 4.35pm

Originally posted by Matov

I actually think that by having a Black/Working class James Bond, you might actually kick some life back into what is becoming a rather tired genre.

Plus you could probably get away with making him a bit of a b****** again, much like he was in the original novels.

Sometimes change is good.

I agree and would love to see Ray Winstone as the next Bond.

 

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lefty27 Flag ipswich 16 Aug 18 5.05pm

I don’t really have an issue with this to be honest. I was dead against Daniel Craig being Bond. 1 He’s ginger 2 he sounds northern and 3 he is too hench and doesn’t rely on funky Kung fu moves to beat up genetic freaks. Bond has become a poor mans Bourne.
That said I have enjoyed his films so have no problem with bond being black/ white/ ginger/ whatever!

 
Mr Palaceman Flag 16 Aug 18 6.20pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I agree with you last statement and I have never liked Hollywood altering history. Selling movies is more important to them than authenticity, however,I think you are missing the key factor with regard to casting actors.
Until recently, most overseas actors were, well, overseas. It would have been impractical and too costly to bring them in for most productions. I expect you would also have had issues with actors unions. For main characters, it is obvious that a profit making movie would most likely also have to feature 'known' faces.

Hmm, I hear you but what I was trying to put across is that there are plenty of black, chinese, asian actors, etc, in the UK for instance, that any director could audition and find a gem. That's how it happens for white actors, in the old days and now. It's not the case that white actors had to fill those roles.

In regards to main characters, there are some films that a known established actor is needed and would bring in more money for a film but secondary characters could be cast from anywhere. Someone is good in a supporting role or two and then get a break with there own film.

In the old days there where plenty of reasons why certain communities where not portrayed in films, lack of acting talent or actors from those groups was not one of them.

It's changing now in some ways and I think the films are better for it.

However, like yourself, I just don't see how you square Idris in the Bond role, in terms of the story. Having said that, I would still watch it but I just love a good film..

Edited by Mr Palaceman (16 Aug 2018 6.21pm)

 

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becky Flag over the moon 16 Aug 18 7.13pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I agree and would love to see Ray Winstone as the next Bond.

1. too old
2. too fat
3. totally lacking in charisma/sexual magnetism
4. limited to playing Ray Winston whatever the character

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 16 Aug 18 7.40pm

Originally posted by becky

1. too old
2. too fat
3. totally lacking in charisma/sexual magnetism
4. limited to playing Ray Winston whatever the character

Yep, he'd even be a questionable pick as Bond's weird uncle.

 

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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 16 Aug 18 9.15pm

Originally posted by becky

1. too old
2. too fat
3. totally lacking in charisma/sexual magnetism
4. limited to playing Ray Winston whatever the character

you would becky.
the lady does protest too much...

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Aug 18 10.06pm

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

Hmm, I hear you but what I was trying to put across is that there are plenty of black, chinese, asian actors, etc, in the UK for instance, that any director could audition and find a gem. That's how it happens for white actors, in the old days and now. It's not the case that white actors had to fill those roles.

In regards to main characters, there are some films that a known established actor is needed and would bring in more money for a film but secondary characters could be cast from anywhere. Someone is good in a supporting role or two and then get a break with there own film.

In the old days there where plenty of reasons why certain communities where not portrayed in films, lack of acting talent or actors from those groups was not one of them.

It's changing now in some ways and I think the films are better for it.

However, like yourself, I just don't see how you square Idris in the Bond role, in terms of the story. Having said that, I would still watch it but I just love a good film..

Edited by Mr Palaceman (16 Aug 2018 6.21pm)

I think these questions would be best answered by someone who was in the film industry in the 50's,60's and 70's when the immigrant population was a lot smaller.

 
Mr Palaceman Flag 17 Aug 18 6.40am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think these questions would be best answered by someone who was in the film industry in the 50's,60's and 70's when the immigrant population was a lot smaller.

My father was...

 

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Casual Flag Orpington 17 Aug 18 6.44am

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

My father was...

So was mine. Little half black half Chinese fella, he made a fortune.

 
Mr Palaceman Flag 17 Aug 18 7.03am

Originally posted by Casual

So was mine. Little half black half Chinese fella, he made a fortune.

Chinedom, my brother, we have searched for you for so long ...

Edited by Mr Palaceman (17 Aug 2018 7.24am)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Aug 18 11.10am

I would maintain that the only 'racism' would come via the expectations of the audience. Casting would have to be appropriate for any production but could be limited by the availability, cost or contractual issues.
If a production required some non white faces then I'm sure they would have been hired where possible.

 
Stirlingsays Flag 17 Aug 18 11.43am

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

My father was...


In those heady days before the trucks of peace.....when we were all suffering so badly as a society from a severe lack of diversity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2018 11.45am)

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 17 Aug 18 11.18pm

I think Henry Cavill would make a decent Bond.

 
Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Aug 18 11.46pm

Now how did I know this thread wasn’t going to be about how good an actor he is

IMO he has real presence but he tends to be a bit less slick a talker than some. He’d be good though

Couldn’t give a monkeys what skin colour he is. Why would I? Not exactly gritty reality is it. Total fantasy and continuity doesn’t really matter.

 
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