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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Mar 21 7.14pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The Lady Krankie is not for turning and put in a shift yesterday. Polished, professional, knew her subject, above all not intimidated by legal trickery. Able to say her government had made a mistake, never hostile. It was easy to see how she had made it to the top. Definitely not a scottish goalkeeper... George Would Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Mar 21 7.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The Lady Krankie is not for turning and put in a shift yesterday.

Polished, professional, knew her subject, above all not intimidated by legal trickery.

Able to say her government had made a mistake, never hostile.

It was easy to see how she had made it to the top.

Definitely not a scottish goalkeeper...

George Would

Red and Blue Army!

Matov 04 Mar 21 7.48pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It was easy to see how she had made it to the top. Definitely not a scottish goalkeeper... She is good. Have to give that to her. And has her game honed to the 'nth degree. Fronting this out all the way and it is clear that as things stand, has zero intention of resigning. Suspect that she would easily brush off a vote of no-confidence because those Nats are unlikely to back any opposition motions. Have zero idea around how SNP internal disciplinary matters are structured so I guess we will see how it all pans out. Would not be willing to bet money on her losing her job over this but I reckon damage has been done. The SNP are an odd bunch in that they really pushing lots of this 'woke' BS which puts them at odds with many of their own supporters and this idea of championing Brussels over Westminster is perhaps a lot more creaky than people in England realise. SNP success is based on a loathing of England which does not always translate into a love of the EU. It is not a zero sum game. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

04 Mar 21 7.48pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It was easy to see how she had made it to the top.

Definitely not a scottish goalkeeper...

She is good. Have to give that to her. And has her game honed to the 'nth degree.

Fronting this out all the way and it is clear that as things stand, has zero intention of resigning. Suspect that she would easily brush off a vote of no-confidence because those Nats are unlikely to back any opposition motions.

Have zero idea around how SNP internal disciplinary matters are structured so I guess we will see how it all pans out.

Would not be willing to bet money on her losing her job over this but I reckon damage has been done. The SNP are an odd bunch in that they really pushing lots of this 'woke' BS which puts them at odds with many of their own supporters and this idea of championing Brussels over Westminster is perhaps a lot more creaky than people in England realise.

SNP success is based on a loathing of England which does not always translate into a love of the EU. It is not a zero sum game.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

chris123 hove actually 05 Mar 21 6.18am
Originally posted by Matov She is good. Have to give that to her. And has her game honed to the 'nth degree. Fronting this out all the way and it is clear that as things stand, has zero intention of resigning. Suspect that she would easily brush off a vote of no-confidence because those Nats are unlikely to back any opposition motions. Have zero idea around how SNP internal disciplinary matters are structured so I guess we will see how it all pans out. Would not be willing to bet money on her losing her job over this but I reckon damage has been done. The SNP are an odd bunch in that they really pushing lots of this 'woke' BS which puts them at odds with many of their own supporters and this idea of championing Brussels over Westminster is perhaps a lot more creaky than people in England realise. SNP success is based on a loathing of England which does not always translate into a love of the EU. It is not a zero sum game. I think the James Hamilton report is key.

chris123

hove actually 05 Mar 21 6.18am

Originally posted by Matov

She is good. Have to give that to her. And has her game honed to the 'nth degree.

Have zero idea around how SNP internal disciplinary matters are structured so I guess we will see how it all pans out.

SNP success is based on a loathing of England which does not always translate into a love of the EU. It is not a zero sum game.

I think the James Hamilton report is key.

steeleye20 Croydon 19 Apr 21 4.28pm
One could hardly think of anything more helpful to the Independence cause than Westminster vetoing legislation passed by the scots in their own parliament. But of course the tories have just done it. Over 60% of the UK now supports indyref2 apparently.

steeleye20

Croydon 19 Apr 21 4.28pm

One could hardly think of anything more helpful to the Independence cause than Westminster vetoing legislation passed by the scots in their own parliament.

But of course the tories have just done it.

Over 60% of the UK now supports indyref2 apparently.

Badger11 Beckenham 19 Apr 21 4.53pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 One could hardly think of anything more helpful to the Independence cause than Westminster vetoing legislation passed by the scots in their own parliament. But of course the tories have just done it. Over 60% of the UK now supports indyref2 apparently. Please clarify can't see mention in the media. I noticed that Alex Salmond has now said that the Scots should have their own currency. I think last time this was the key area of confusion that lost them the vote. If he can move the SNP in that direction it should be a major boost for them. Who would vote to leave the union when you have no idea what your currency will be. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 19 Apr 21 4.53pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

One could hardly think of anything more helpful to the Independence cause than Westminster vetoing legislation passed by the scots in their own parliament.

But of course the tories have just done it.

Over 60% of the UK now supports indyref2 apparently.

Please clarify can't see mention in the media.

I noticed that Alex Salmond has now said that the Scots should have their own currency. I think last time this was the key area of confusion that lost them the vote.

If he can move the SNP in that direction it should be a major boost for them. Who would vote to leave the union when you have no idea what your currency will be.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Dec 21 12.01pm
Shell Oil quits new field to the cheers of the Greens and others. How is Wee Jimmy going to spin this it was supposed to create a 1000 new jobs in Scotland. However she is in power now with the Greens so has to take their views into account an odd alliance. Remember the SNP telling us it's Scottish oil and an independent Scotland will have a bonanza? Not sure you can square this circle as the oil fields are harder to operate and more controversial due to climate change and yet Wee Jimmy is now claiming Scotland doesn't need it as they will use green technologies. At some point the voters will realise that if you take oil out of it the sums don't add up. [Link] Edited by Badger11 (03 Dec 2021 12.02pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Dec 21 12.01pm

Shell Oil quits new field to the cheers of the Greens and others.

How is Wee Jimmy going to spin this it was supposed to create a 1000 new jobs in Scotland. However she is in power now with the Greens so has to take their views into account an odd alliance.

Remember the SNP telling us it's Scottish oil and an independent Scotland will have a bonanza?

Not sure you can square this circle as the oil fields are harder to operate and more controversial due to climate change and yet Wee Jimmy is now claiming Scotland doesn't need it as they will use green technologies.

At some point the voters will realise that if you take oil out of it the sums don't add up.

[Link]

Edited by Badger11 (03 Dec 2021 12.02pm)

One more point

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Dec 21 3.21pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Shell Oil quits new field to the cheers of the Greens and others. How is Wee Jimmy going to spin this it was supposed to create a 1000 new jobs in Scotland. However she is in power now with the Greens so has to take their views into account an odd alliance. Remember the SNP telling us it's Scottish oil and an independent Scotland will have a bonanza? Not sure you can square this circle as the oil fields are harder to operate and more controversial due to climate change and yet Wee Jimmy is now claiming Scotland doesn't need it as they will use green technologies. At some point the voters will realise that if you take oil out of it the sums don't add up. [Link] Edited by Badger11 (03 Dec 2021 12.02pm) Shell pulled out on economic grounds but environmentally oil and gas are not viable anymore also. You are so 'Daily Mail' B, so out-of-date and fossil fuels. The UK’s largest offshore wind tower factory to be built in Scotland, 450 jobs 2023. Scotland should fly with renewables, already enough to generate its own electricity.

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Dec 21 3.21pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Shell Oil quits new field to the cheers of the Greens and others.

How is Wee Jimmy going to spin this it was supposed to create a 1000 new jobs in Scotland. However she is in power now with the Greens so has to take their views into account an odd alliance.

Remember the SNP telling us it's Scottish oil and an independent Scotland will have a bonanza?

At some point the voters will realise that if you take oil out of it the sums don't add up.

[Link]

Edited by Badger11 (03 Dec 2021 12.02pm)

Shell pulled out on economic grounds but environmentally oil and gas are not viable anymore also.

You are so 'Daily Mail' B, so out-of-date and fossil fuels.

The UK’s largest offshore wind tower factory to be built in Scotland, 450 jobs 2023.

Scotland should fly with renewables, already enough to generate its own electricity.

Stirlingsays 03 Dec 21 3.25pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Shell pulled out on economic grounds but environmentally oil and gas are not viable anymore also. You are so 'Daily Mail' B, so out-of-date and fossil fuels. The UK’s largest offshore wind tower factory to be built in Scotland, 450 jobs 2023. Scotland should fly with renewables, already enough to generate its own electricity. While I regard this a question purely for the Scots I think that anyone with sense knows that it has to be a mixture of sources for a long time to come......if they make a stupid decision on energy as long as they don't come running to us I'm fine with it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Dec 21 3.25pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Shell pulled out on economic grounds but environmentally oil and gas are not viable anymore also.

You are so 'Daily Mail' B, so out-of-date and fossil fuels.

The UK’s largest offshore wind tower factory to be built in Scotland, 450 jobs 2023.

Scotland should fly with renewables, already enough to generate its own electricity.

While I regard this a question purely for the Scots I think that anyone with sense knows that it has to be a mixture of sources for a long time to come......if they make a stupid decision on energy as long as they don't come running to us I'm fine with it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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