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Scotland.

poxy football league.

And proportionately very few decent football players. Especially when compared to small countries like Portugal, Holland etc.

 


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I am not fully up to speed on all of this but I think I read somewhere that they have never planned their percentage of the national debt into future budgets

That would make book balancing quite tricky for them

 

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Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

Oh the irony,I don't see why little Englanders should dictate what happen to a whole country.

Good point Kermit.

 


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Originally posted by nobody

I am not fully up to speed on all of this but I think I read somewhere that they have never planned their percentage of the national debt into future budgets

That would make book balancing quite tricky for them

A fair point if they want to join the EU I would have thought the SNP would be keen to show they are fiscally responsible.

 


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Now they SNP want to ban non English speakers from public housing.

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Originally posted by Badger11

Now they SNP want to ban non English speakers from public housing.

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The gift that keeps on giving.

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

The gift that keeps on giving.

And they call us little Englanders.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy.

But it's their choice.

Quite.

It would kind of be alright if they made their mind up about it. Personally if you're going to continually give the SNP large majorities you're surely c0ck teasing.

Just have the vote and make the break.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy.

But it's their choice.

I agree - their choice entirely. This is not, however, purely as a result of Brexit, the clue is in the name - Scottish Nationalist Party. They’ve always wanted Independence.
I don’t care if there’s a plan or not. Once they’ve gone, they’ve gone - same as us. If we flounder without them and they absolutely fly (Scots are really excellent managers/business people) I wouldn’t expect help and I wouldn’t expect them to seek it if they struggle. As long as that is all clear and all of the nations of the UK know where they stand, the ramifications of any decision and we all have our fair share of national debt etc then that’s the best we can do.
I love the Scots (although I always want them to lose at football ) - I wish only the very best of luck in their independence endeavours if that’s what they choose to do.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 04 Jan 21 10.47am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

A fair point if they want to join the EU I would have thought the SNP would be keen to show they are fiscally responsible.


They already have tax raising powers but decline to use them and in an interview I heard recently, a leading SNP member said that whilst the wanted Independence, they did not want fiscal independence. That leaving would be dependent on them still being able to using the British pound.

Scotland does not have a central bank and its deficit is way, way higher than that allowed for new EU entrant nations. Its previous fiscal forecasts were all based on oil being over $100 dollars a barrel (as I write this Brent Crude is trading at just under $52 and will probably never rise much above $60 ever again for a variety of reasons).

Personally, I think the SNP can make a strong case for the holding of another referendum given our departure from the EU which Scotland as a whole voted strongly against. Interestingly, or so I am reading the SNP position, they are not actually pushing for another referendum but rather for the power to call one when it suits them.

I suspect that they are aware that the political machinations as they are, probably stand them in better stead in terms of voting share because there are no votes to be lost in sniping at England from the side-lines, all whilst comforted by the protection that being part of the Union brings them as opposed to having to be truly judged on their own abilities. With the EU probably being far less willing to accommodate their feckless financial behaviour. Never forget that the Union came into being because Scotland had bankrupted itself.

I always think of Scottish nationalism as being akin to people who like wearing a kilt for special events but come a wet, windy workday, prefer the appeal of trousers. All for show rather than the nitty-gritty of making it truly work.

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Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.53am)

 


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Originally posted by Matov


They already have tax raising powers but decline to use them and in an interview I heard recently, a leading SNP member said that whilst the wanted Independence, they did not want fiscal independence. That leaving would be dependent on them still being able to using the British pound.

Scotland does not have a central bank and its deficit is way, way higher than that allowed for new EU entrant nations. Its previous fiscal forecasts were all based on oil being over 0 dollars a barrel (as I write this Brent Crude is trading at just under and will probably never rise much above ever again for a variety of reasons).

Personally, I think the SNP can make a strong case for the holding of another referendum given our departure from the EU which Scotland as a whole voted strongly against. Interestingly, or so I am reading the SNP position, they are not actually pushing for another referendum but rather for the power to call one when it suits them.

I suspect that they are aware that the political machinations as they are, probably stand them in better stead in terms of voting share because there are no votes to be lost in sniping at England from the side-lines, all whilst comforted by the protection that being part of the Union brings them as opposed to having to be truly judged on their own abilities. With the EU probably being far less willing to accommodate their feckless financial behaviour. Never forget that the Union came into being because Scotland had bankrupted itself.

I always think of Scottish nationalism as being akin to people who like wearing a kilt for special events but come a wet, windy workday, prefer the appeal of trousers. All for show rather than the nitty-gritty of making it truly work.

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Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.53am)

Good post. I think it was PG Woodhouse who said something like he never met a Scotsman that didn't have a grudge against the English.

Interesting that they don't want fiscal independence so if the economy does well the SNP take credit and if it doesn't blame the BOE and the Treasury who are English centric. That's not going to fly south of the border.

Independence means independence (now where have I heard a similar phrase like that).

 


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Originally posted by Helmet46

I agree - their choice entirely. This is not, however, purely as a result of Brexit, the clue is in the name - Scottish Nationalist Party. They’ve always wanted Independence.
I don’t care if there’s a plan or not. Once they’ve gone, they’ve gone - same as us. If we flounder without them and they absolutely fly (Scots are really excellent managers/business people) I wouldn’t expect help and I wouldn’t expect them to seek it if they struggle. As long as that is all clear and all of the nations of the UK know where they stand, the ramifications of any decision and we all have our fair share of national debt etc then that’s the best we can do.
I love the Scots (although I always want them to lose at football ) - I wish only the very best of luck in their independence endeavours if that’s what they choose to do.

George Burley ??!!

 


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