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PatrickA Flag London 12 Feb 24 7.31pm

Please don’t play him on the wing and leave him isolated.
Play him as an inside forward with a remit to create..

 

taylors lovechild Flag 12 Feb 24 10.14pm

He made some mistakes but what I loved about his performance was his speed and how he got us up the pitch. He definitely did more in 80 minutes than we've seen from any of the other options that have played on the left. Shame his shot didn't go in, but I was happy. Hopefully he continues to start and he isn't punished for the mistakes he made.

 

Brinscalleagle2 Flag Brinscall 12 Feb 24 11.03pm

Trouble is most of our fans punish people for mistakes like Sclupp,Roy,Ward Hughes Henderson so on that basis he will.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Feb 24 11.04pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

He made some mistakes but what I loved about his performance was his speed and how he got us up the pitch. He definitely did more in 80 minutes than we've seen from any of the other options that have played on the left. Shame his shot didn't go in, but I was happy. Hopefully he continues to start and he isn't punished for the mistakes he made.

Er

He was an absolute liability. Speed??

Granted he carried the ball upfield more effectively than schlupp, for example, but on every other metric he was wild

 


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CpfcWeTrust1 Flag 12 Feb 24 11.12pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Er

He was an absolute liability. Speed??

Granted he carried the ball upfield more effectively than schlupp, for example, but on every other metric he was wild

Not sure what you were watching. Made some mistakes but far more of an attacking threat than anything we've seen in the last god knows how many games. At least he's going the right way at more speed than the other pedestrians.

 

Texas Eagle Flag San Antonio, Texas (via Adelaide) 12 Feb 24 11.15pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

He made some mistakes but what I loved about his performance was his speed and how he got us up the pitch. He definitely did more in 80 minutes than we've seen from any of the other options that have played on the left. Shame his shot didn't go in, but I was happy. Hopefully he continues to start and he isn't punished for the mistakes he made.

Agreed. I think he sat on the bench for the first 7 games of the season and played a total of 43 minutes. Clever use of a £20 million investment wouldn't you say! Give him a chance, start him regularly, he needs playing time. I see potential in him.

 


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Aray Flag South London 12 Feb 24 11.17pm

Thought he played quite well. The crowd seemed to think so

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Feb 24 11.18pm

Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1

Not sure what you were watching. Made some mistakes but far more of an attacking threat than anything we've seen in the last god knows how many games. At least he's going the right way at more speed than the other pedestrians.

If you judge attacking threat as jogging up the pitch with the ball and little end product, sure

‘Some’. Defending was woeful (to be expected), and distribution was similarly off the pace. All very well driving forward but you have to actually be able to do something with it. He’s potential, raw, slight and needs time to adapt - the fee represents an investment - but the way fans have been bleating about him needing to be in the team like he’s some sort of second coming is totally ridiculous

A point proven tonight

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Feb 24 11.19pm

Originally posted by Aray

Thought he played quite well. The crowd seemed to think so

Yeah… The average fan etc

Edited by SW19 CPFC (12 Feb 2024 11.20pm)

 


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KWIL37 Flag Co Tipperary 12 Feb 24 11.21pm

Originally posted by est1905

Yes, the difference is I neither want, need nor desire your respect. Believe it or not your blinkered opinions do little for me. It was you or your little friend that was actually asking me to respect you lol.
Again, a bit pathetic. Keyboard warrior? If not being afraid to call out morons and say what I think even when I seem to be in the minority is a keyboard warrior? So be it pal. Proud to be one

est . If you dont mind me asking . How old are you ? you come across as a very spoilt little man child .

 


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Fanofzhiyi Flag Kent 12 Feb 24 11.52pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

If you judge attacking threat as jogging up the pitch with the ball and little end product, sure

‘Some’. Defending was woeful (to be expected), and distribution was similarly off the pace. All very well driving forward but you have to actually be able to do something with it. He’s potential, raw, slight and needs time to adapt - the fee represents an investment - but the way fans have been bleating about him needing to be in the team like he’s some sort of second coming is totally ridiculous

A point proven tonight

It’s a game of opinions but I will add your comments sound a lot like what some people said about AJ, Zaha, Eze, Olise. For me he offers something we are lacking and only game time will sharpen his game management. Agreed he needs to improve but I saw a lot of potential there.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Feb 24 11.55pm

Originally posted by Fanofzhiyi

It’s a game of opinions but I will add your comments sound a lot like what some people said about AJ, Zaha, Eze, Olise. For me he offers something we are lacking and only game time will sharpen his game management. Agreed he needs to improve but I saw a lot of potential there.

I don’t disagree he has potential. I do disagree that he should be starting games. Any offensive impetus is cancelled out and some by the lack of defensive awareness, pressing and leaving gaps all over the place for the opposition to exploit.

Wharton is an example of someone at more or less the same age/development stage that is up to scratch, and is capable enough to start.

Franca, not so much.

Also - those players you mention - not comparable. Apart from Zaha they’d already demonstrated their quality one level down and were playing regularly at a much higher level than Franca. Zaha - more about his temperament, and he had pace and could beat a player. And score the odd goal.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (12 Feb 2024 11.59pm)

 


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CpfcWeTrust1 Flag 13 Feb 24 12.19am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I don’t disagree he has potential. I do disagree that he should be starting games. Any offensive impetus is cancelled out and some by the lack of defensive awareness, pressing and leaving gaps all over the place for the opposition to exploit.

Wharton is an example of someone at more or less the same age/development stage that is up to scratch, and is capable enough to start.

Franca, not so much.

Also - those players you mention - not comparable. Apart from Zaha they’d already demonstrated their quality one level down and were playing regularly at a much higher level than Franca. Zaha - more about his temperament, and he had pace and could beat a player. And score the odd goal.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (12 Feb 2024 11.59pm)

Nice to see you've assessed a player after 1 game of him starting. I seem to remember Eze being a bit laxidasical with the tracking back with the odd defensive mistake also.

Some young players need game time and the chance to be creative to succeed. They aren't all going to be be a Zaha.

I can also guarantee that you wouldn't be so critical if he scored his shot.

 

Elpis Flag In a pub 13 Feb 24 7.21am

Thought he did ok . In Roys rigid system you can see he is a bit lost on the defensive side but was trying to be in the right position when Chelsea had the ball which to be fair was for most of the game .
He will show his worth when we have the ball more ,at the end of the day he is an attacker , not a defender .

 

taylors lovechild Flag 13 Feb 24 7.34am

What he did do was carry the ball a long way up the pitch which is something we've missed since Zaha. It relieves pressure on the backline and allows the team to push up. I don't think anyone is arguing that he's the finished product as he's clearly not, but he needs to keep playing as he shows all the signs of being a top winger. Some fans wanted rid of Wilf and Bolasie early in the careers, but you can often tell with wingers if they have a chance. They need to have that self-confidence bordering on arrogance that they can change a game.

 

EddieMac Flag 13 Feb 24 7.46am

Only game time is going to improve Franca but I would argue that in our position we can’t afford to give him game time. It is Roy’s fault that he hasn’t had a lot more minutes in the team when we were not in a relegation battle but right now I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the starting 11 and especially not in the position he played in last night. Every team targets us with crosses already and that will just get worse with him playing.

He had a couple of nice bursts of pace when he had the ball in acres of space but overall I thought he was really poor.

I will repeat it is not the lads fault that Roy has hardly played him so he has no chance to get used to the league but for me I would leave him on the bench at Everton. Coleman would have a picnic with him.

Edited by EddieMac (13 Feb 2024 7.47am)

 

taylors lovechild Flag 13 Feb 24 9.19am

With no other wingers available I think Roy has to play him. He got one of our only decent shots on target, he played JPM in and was the only player carrying any threat on the break. It is important to note that was only his seventh senior start, but what I noticed during the game was that he seemed to learn quickly. In the first half he tried to beat his man when there was a pass on. Second half he got his head up and found his teammates. It was noticeable that he seemed to earn his teammates trust as the game went on too. It's little things like this that suggest he may be quick to adapt. Like Eze and Olise when they arrived his defensive game needs work, but he wasn't signed to defend.

To start your first game in such circumstances when you haven't started a game for eight or more months must be a huge weight on your shoulders and he seemed to carry it and didn't go missing. Wharton and Munoz have been playing regularly this season so of course it is easier for them to step in and that showed.

In an ideal world he goes on loan to the Championship in January, gets regular game time and comes back for next season a more rounded player. As it is we need him now and he has to learn on the job. It could be the making of him.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Feb 24 9.24am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

With no other wingers available I think Roy has to play him. He got one of our only decent shots on target, he played JPM in and was the only player carrying any threat on the break. It is important to note that was only his seventh senior start, but what I noticed during the game was that he seemed to learn quickly. In the first half he tried to beat his man when there was a pass on. Second half he got his head up and found his teammates. It was noticeable that he seemed to earn his teammates trust as the game went on too. It's little things like this that suggest he may be quick to adapt. Like Eze and Olise when they arrived his defensive game needs work, but he wasn't signed to defend.

To start your first game in such circumstances when you haven't started a game for eight or more months must be a huge weight on your shoulders and he seemed to carry it and didn't go missing. Wharton and Munoz have been playing regularly this season so of course it is easier for them to step in and that showed.

In an ideal world he goes on loan to the Championship in January, gets regular game time and comes back for next season a more rounded player. As it is we need him now and he has to learn on the job. It could be the making of him.

I agree with most of this. Franca did fine for a debut I just hope he isn't dropped for Roy's favourite South American

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Dubai Eagle Flag 13 Feb 24 9.25am

+ He didnt give up, he picked the Chelsea players pocket(s) several times & came away with the ball, when the opponent already had the ball under control, in a kind of AWB way.

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

With no other wingers available I think Roy has to play him. He got one of our only decent shots on target, he played JPM in and was the only player carrying any threat on the break. It is important to note that was only his seventh senior start, but what I noticed during the game was that he seemed to learn quickly. In the first half he tried to beat his man when there was a pass on. Second half he got his head up and found his teammates. It was noticeable that he seemed to earn his teammates trust as the game went on too. It's little things like this that suggest he may be quick to adapt. Like Eze and Olise when they arrived his defensive game needs work, but he wasn't signed to defend.

To start your first game in such circumstances when you haven't started a game for eight or more months must be a huge weight on your shoulders and he seemed to carry it and didn't go missing. Wharton and Munoz have been playing regularly this season so of course it is easier for them to step in and that showed.

In an ideal world he goes on loan to the Championship in January, gets regular game time and comes back for next season a more rounded player. As it is we need him now and he has to learn on the job. It could be the making of him.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 24 9.35am

Originally posted by EddieMac

Only game time is going to improve Franca but I would argue that in our position we can’t afford to give him game time. It is Roy’s fault that he hasn’t had a lot more minutes in the team when we were not in a relegation battle but right now I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the starting 11 and especially not in the position he played in last night. Every team targets us with crosses already and that will just get worse with him playing.

He had a couple of nice bursts of pace when he had the ball in acres of space but overall I thought he was really poor.

I will repeat it is not the lads fault that Roy has hardly played him so he has no chance to get used to the league but for me I would leave him on the bench at Everton. Coleman would have a picnic with him.

Edited by EddieMac (13 Feb 2024 7.47am)

I wouldn't describe his performance as "Really poor", more 'Curate's Egg'. He is very inexperienced and before signing for us he was mainly introduced from the bench at Flamengo.

He did grow into the game and I suspect will benefit from the experience of being thrust into the PL limelight. A 'Learning curve' for Franca but he did enough to suggest that he could well prove to be a good purchase.

Edited by Willo (13 Feb 2024 9.37am)

 

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