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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Oct 18 1.21pm

In practice the EU commission is mindful of their members interests and adapts in a way that the UK could never do.

It has reacted to their immigration concerns, members are setting their own quotas now, provided that the principle of free movement remains.

Immigration here is a concern but EU people are the wrong target entirely.

Just looking out of my High St. Croydon window I would estimate the population as less than 0.1% from the EU.

It's pointless creating about free movement when the problem is so obviously elsewhere.

 

Pussay Patrol Flag 24 Oct 18 1.33pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I genuinely don't understand what your question is? I said crony capitalism is a problem and limited, effective government – that is not corrupt – is the best solution to combat this.

I want more capitalism and less regulation and the government to actually enforce the genuine, limited regulation required – but they never seem able to do that.

A ban on politicians working for banks would be a step in the right direction but not sure it is actually enforceable.

What happens in the EU is big business and banks lobby its officials and MEPs in private and there is very little transparency, which is a bad thing. Crony capitalism is rife and I don't want the UK to be a part of that, hence a reason to vote leave.

The raft of bureaucracy the EU brings in each year can be handled by the large corporations because they have the money. But it f***s up the little guy trying to run a small business.

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 1.18pm)

Less regulation leads to casino style speculating by Banks, Companies asset stripped and dumped like BHS, property bubbles and ultimately the widening of the wealth gap

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 24 Oct 18 1.40pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Less regulation leads to casino style speculating by Banks, Companies asset stripped and dumped like BHS, property bubbles and ultimately the widening of the wealth gap

I specifically said necessary "genuine" regulation to stop the casino stuff. Not the unnecessary stuff which there is s*** loads. For example, regulation that would stop a new bank from entering the market to compete.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 24 Oct 18 1.43pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Because Labour or Conservative shape their policies on public feeling (generally) and if you don't like their housing or immigration policies, you can vote them out. It's called democracy. UK politicians have the UK's interests at heart – not those in Brussels.

You cannot do this with the EU and have to accept free movement and its consequences no matter what. Can you not see the difference?

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 12.11pm)

I see the difference, it just doesn’t at all challenge the point I’m making; to say you voted for Brexit because of government failings is nonsensical. We already have the ability to vote the government out.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Oct 18 1.56pm

Originally posted by Badger11

And that is my point entirely. Italy is no longer free to make its own financial decisions good or bad. That is the price it will pay for joining the EU and the Euro.

Italy faces the same issues as Greece did, most governments would devalue their currency to make it attractive for tourism and exports Italy cannot do that. The country that benefits of course is Germany if they still had the Deutchmark it would be far higher and would impact their economy.

Fascinating that, if the UK was in the euro, the EU commission could well reject a UK budget.

Fiscal sense to me, Italy is piling up unsustainable debts and the economic gurus are telling them to be more responsible.

If this had been applied to the UK after the financial crash we would be in a far better position now.

No amount of financial trickery here and in the USA can disguise that we have ruinous debt levels, the whole thing is on the never-never.....


 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 24 Oct 18 2.10pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I see the difference, it just doesn’t at all challenge the point I’m making; to say you voted for Brexit because of government failings is nonsensical. We already have the ability to vote the government out.

No UK government can stop the free movement of people from EU. It's part of EU membership. Correct?

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 2.11pm)

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Oct 18 2.22pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

No UK government can stop the free movement of people from EU. It's part of EU membership. Correct?

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 2.11pm)

Yes it is a fundamental principle.

It is your right to love and work in the EU too, it is not a one-way street.


 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Oct 18 2.23pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes it is a fundamental principle.

It is your right to love and work in the EU too, it is not a one-way street.


love and work? well ok - I meant live, but ok

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 24 Oct 18 2.57pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

No UK government can stop the free movement of people from EU. It's part of EU membership. Correct?

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 2.11pm)

Read the post I replied to;

“I don't think you understand my point. Ive never blamed immigrants for trying to better them selves, I blame government. Government failures to build enough housing stock have pushed up house prices so most of MY disposable income now goes towards my housing.

I then get asked to Vote, IN or OUT. I voted OUT because of OUR Government failures not immigrants.”

The post was specifically highlighting that it wasn’t about immigrants, and yet you’re challenging me about freedom of movement.

You and Stirling have both tried to make this about democracy and control of our laws, when it’s blatantly obvious the post was about government policy on housing.

Stop moving the goalposts.

 

Pussay Patrol Flag 24 Oct 18 3.14pm

I'd love to know how the EU stops us building houses

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 24 Oct 18 3.17pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is your right to love and work in the EU too,

Everywhere in the EU or just Ibiza?

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 24 Oct 18 3.18pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Read the post I replied to;

“I don't think you understand my point. Ive never blamed immigrants for trying to better them selves, I blame government. Government failures to build enough housing stock have pushed up house prices so most of MY disposable income now goes towards my housing.

I then get asked to Vote, IN or OUT. I voted OUT because of OUR Government failures not immigrants.”

The post was specifically highlighting that it wasn’t about immigrants, and yet you’re challenging me about freedom of movement.

You and Stirling have both tried to make this about democracy and control of our laws, when it’s blatantly obvious the post was about government policy on housing.

Stop moving the goalposts.

There has been government failure on housing AND one of the key factors is a supply-demand issue. The demand is partly due to immigration. Net migration from the EU is circa 150,000 a year, while 300,000 homes are needed to be built to sustain demand, yet the actual build is 170,000 homes per year. Do the math! Lack of supply = higher demand = higher prices. It's basic economics.

I find it easier if you answer my points directly instead of someone elses!

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 24 Oct 18 3.23pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I'd love to know how the EU stops us building houses

It's basic economics, something you have zero grasp of.

If there is too much demand for housing due to more people requiring it, then prices go up due to lack of supply.

Supply and demand is basic economics mate.

Therefore you either decrease the demand – reduce net EU migration. UK government's hands are tied.

OR

Increase supply – build more houses. UK government failure.

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 3.25pm)

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Oct 18 3.41pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

There has been government failure on housing AND one of the key factors is a supply-demand issue. The demand is partly due to immigration. Net migration from the EU is circa 150,000 a year, while 300,000 homes are needed to be built to sustain demand, yet the actual build is 170,000 homes per year. Do the math! Lack of supply = higher demand = higher prices. It's basic economics.

I find it easier if you answer my points directly instead of someone elses!

That's ridiculous 150,000 EU workers here do not have new houses built for them, predominantly they rent rooms and share, they are not permanent anyway.


 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Oct 18 4.16pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That's ridiculous 150,000 EU workers here do not have new houses built for them, predominantly they rent rooms and share, they are not permanent anyway.


UK population has grown 5mm since 2008 some of the reasons are within the control of the government others are not.
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The government could reduce non EU migration to compensate for freedom of movement. However if it did this drastically there would be an outcry especially amongst the Commonwealth countries. Now that we are leaving hopefully the new policy will be based on skills rather than from where you are. Clearly an ever increasing population will impact housing and public services we need to reduce the rate to a manageable level so these can catch up.

 


One more point

Stirlingsays Flag 24 Oct 18 4.26pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

They shape their manifesto on public feeling to win your vote but it's a different story when in power. Who votes for Austerity or benefit cuts? Government brings in changes which may benefit one section of society but disadvantage another, same as europe, but it's for the greater good.

EU doesn't bring in legislation to spite the UK as much as you like to think, their aim is to unify europe so we are as one and we can move and trade freely. In the main it has been a major benefit to the UK

How deluded is that?

All the corruption and waste that the EU has been proven to enact. All the cooked books and we get....'it's for the greater good'.

The UK politicians are advantaging one side of society (even though everyone gets to vote) yet the EU.....well, 'it's for the greater good'.

Man alive.

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 24 Oct 18 4.27pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That's ridiculous 150,000 EU workers here do not have new houses built for them, predominantly they rent rooms and share, they are not permanent anyway.

Increased demand for rental properties means increased rent – for everyone. Google 'supply and demand'.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 24 Oct 18 4.29pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Yes it is a fundamental principle.

It is your right to love and work in the EU too, it is not a one-way street.


It'll soon have a no entry sign.

You could of course take the opportunity right now to leave the golden streets of Croydon and launch yourself into the EU and live and work there.

You won't though.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 4.29pm)

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 24 Oct 18 4.45pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

There has been government failure on housing AND one of the key factors is a supply-demand issue. The demand is partly due to immigration. Net migration from the EU is circa 150,000 a year, while 300,000 homes are needed to be built to sustain demand, yet the actual build is 170,000 homes per year. Do the math! Lack of supply = higher demand = higher prices. It's basic economics.

I find it easier if you answer my points directly instead of someone elses!

I would, except you’re making points that I don’t particularly disagree with, such is your rush to defend someone you see as on your side.

I do find it funny that if I were to suggest that immigration concerns were the main reason people voted for Brexit, I have no doubt I would be told that’s ridiculous and unfounded. But if you challenge someone’s given reason because it doesn’t make sense, the justification given is.. immigration concerns.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Oct 18 5.08pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Increased demand for rental properties means increased rent – for everyone. Google 'supply and demand'.

Rubbish that applies to the entire population not an insignificant number of EU workers.

 

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