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Stirlingsays 25 Oct 18 11.11pm
Before the EU we had sufficient nurses.....this is all decision making from the highest level, which feeds down to the local. We will leave the EU and we will train a higher proportion of our own nurses....or we won't.....The decision has nothing to do some idea that we require the EU to field our own hospitals. This will no doubt be a part of the 'turbulence' we will experience making that transition. Relying upon foreigners and 'brain drains' was and is never a good idea in the first place. We should be looking after and rewarding our own nurses first and foremost to ensure we retain them......Expediency as ever....knows no bounds. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Oct 2018 11.14pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 Oct 18 11.11pm

Before the EU we had sufficient nurses.....this is all decision making from the highest level, which feeds down to the local.

We will leave the EU and we will train a higher proportion of our own nurses....or we won't.....The decision has nothing to do some idea that we require the EU to field our own hospitals.

This will no doubt be a part of the 'turbulence' we will experience making that transition.

Relying upon foreigners and 'brain drains' was and is never a good idea in the first place. We should be looking after and rewarding our own nurses first and foremost to ensure we retain them......Expediency as ever....knows no bounds.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Oct 2018 11.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 26 Oct 18 12.26am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Before the EU we had sufficient nurses.....this is all decision making from the highest level, which feeds down to the local. We will leave the EU and we will train a higher proportion of our own nurses....or we won't.....The decision has nothing to do some idea that we require the EU to field our own hospitals. This will no doubt be a part of the 'turbulence' we will experience making that transition. Relying upon foreigners and 'brain drains' was and is never a good idea in the first place. We should be looking after and rewarding our own nurses first and foremost to ensure we retain them......Expediency as ever....knows no bounds. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Oct 2018 11.14pm) Right. So this is a problem we will fix when? Increasing need and decreasing supply. Not enough people studying and not enough capability to increase the students. Maybe, if we really stretch, we can do something about it in ten years. And meanwhile? You say turbulence like it’s a minor short term issue. Get real. People’s lives depend upon this. Edited by Mapletree (26 Oct 2018 12.27am)

Mapletree

Croydon 26 Oct 18 12.26am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Before the EU we had sufficient nurses.....this is all decision making from the highest level, which feeds down to the local.

We will leave the EU and we will train a higher proportion of our own nurses....or we won't.....The decision has nothing to do some idea that we require the EU to field our own hospitals.

This will no doubt be a part of the 'turbulence' we will experience making that transition.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Oct 2018 11.14pm)

Right. So this is a problem we will fix when? Increasing need and decreasing supply. Not enough people studying and not enough capability to increase the students.

Maybe, if we really stretch, we can do something about it in ten years.

And meanwhile? You say turbulence like it’s a minor short term issue. Get real. People’s lives depend upon this.

Edited by Mapletree (26 Oct 2018 12.27am)

Stirlingsays 26 Oct 18 1.46am
Originally posted by Mapletree Right. So this is a problem we will fix when? Increasing need and decreasing supply. Not enough people studying and not enough capability to increase the students. Maybe, if we really stretch, we can do something about it in ten years. And meanwhile? You say turbulence like it’s a minor short term issue. Get real. People’s lives depend upon this. Edited by Mapletree (26 Oct 2018 12.27am) The service should have been stretching a lot longer than ten years ago. Like I said, that's the folly of leaders and decisions made out of expediency. To leave yourself in a position where you rely on foreigners, especially in a country that has never been particularly pro EU is well ...well...actually it isn't that surprising, if my experience of managers in teaching is anything to go by, many a poor long term decision is made to produce short term results (and as s*** rolls downhill in reality those lower tier decisions are compromised). The service will adjust to fit the new dynamics. This isn't my field obviously but I imagine the 'turbulence' will result in a poorer service until budgets fit the new requirements. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

26 Oct 18 1.46am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Right. So this is a problem we will fix when? Increasing need and decreasing supply. Not enough people studying and not enough capability to increase the students.

Maybe, if we really stretch, we can do something about it in ten years.

And meanwhile? You say turbulence like it’s a minor short term issue. Get real. People’s lives depend upon this.

Edited by Mapletree (26 Oct 2018 12.27am)

The service should have been stretching a lot longer than ten years ago.

Like I said, that's the folly of leaders and decisions made out of expediency. To leave yourself in a position where you rely on foreigners, especially in a country that has never been particularly pro EU is well ...well...actually it isn't that surprising, if my experience of managers in teaching is anything to go by, many a poor long term decision is made to produce short term results (and as s*** rolls downhill in reality those lower tier decisions are compromised).

The service will adjust to fit the new dynamics. This isn't my field obviously but I imagine the 'turbulence' will result in a poorer service until budgets fit the new requirements.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Midlands Eagle 26 Oct 18 6.41am
Originally posted by Mapletree Right. So this is a problem we will fix when? Increasing need and decreasing supply. Not enough people studying and not enough capability to increase the students. Maybe, if we really stretch, we can do something about it in ten years. The shortage of nurses in this country is due to two things. Firstly the Royal College of Nursing have been trying for years to try and make nursing on a par with doctoring so have increased the entry qualification requirement to a university degree. Secondly the government has slashed the bursary paid to student nurses so that only the wealthy who can afford not to have an income for four years can train. My wife qualified as a staff nurse a dozen years ago but now without a university degree or the necessary funding she wouldn't be able to

Midlands Eagle

26 Oct 18 6.41am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Right. So this is a problem we will fix when? Increasing need and decreasing supply. Not enough people studying and not enough capability to increase the students.

Maybe, if we really stretch, we can do something about it in ten years.

The shortage of nurses in this country is due to two things. Firstly the Royal College of Nursing have been trying for years to try and make nursing on a par with doctoring so have increased the entry qualification requirement to a university degree.

Secondly the government has slashed the bursary paid to student nurses so that only the wealthy who can afford not to have an income for four years can train.

My wife qualified as a staff nurse a dozen years ago but now without a university degree or the necessary funding she wouldn't be able to

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 26 Oct 18 7.31am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle The shortage of nurses in this country is due to two things. Firstly the Royal College of Nursing have been trying for years to try and make nursing on a par with doctoring so have increased the entry qualification requirement to a university degree. Secondly the government has slashed the bursary paid to student nurses so that only the wealthy who can afford not to have an income for four years can train. My wife qualified as a staff nurse a dozen years ago but now without a university degree or the necessary funding she wouldn't be able to And even when you do qualify, the pay is sh*t (relatively). I don’t know why anyone would do it nowadays; X years of studying and massive debts, just to start out working every hour of the day for £25k a year.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 26 Oct 18 7.31am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Secondly the government has slashed the bursary paid to student nurses so that only the wealthy who can afford not to have an income for four years can train.

My wife qualified as a staff nurse a dozen years ago but now without a university degree or the necessary funding she wouldn't be able to

And even when you do qualify, the pay is sh*t (relatively).

I don’t know why anyone would do it nowadays; X years of studying and massive debts, just to start out working every hour of the day for £25k a year.

becky over the moon 26 Oct 18 7.32am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle The shortage of nurses in this country is due to two things. Firstly the Royal College of Nursing have been trying for years to try and make nursing on a par with doctoring so have increased the entry qualification requirement to a university degree. Secondly the government has slashed the bursary paid to student nurses so that only the wealthy who can afford not to have an income for four years can train. My wife qualified as a staff nurse a dozen years ago but now without a university degree or the necessary funding she wouldn't be able to My Goddaughter, having funded all her own pre-entry qualifications, was about to train as an OPD, then they cut the bursary (something silly like £400 a month), which for a woman with 3 children would have made all the difference to her. Apparently, over half the people she was to have trained with also packed it in! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 26 Oct 18 7.32am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Secondly the government has slashed the bursary paid to student nurses so that only the wealthy who can afford not to have an income for four years can train.

My wife qualified as a staff nurse a dozen years ago but now without a university degree or the necessary funding she wouldn't be able to

My Goddaughter, having funded all her own pre-entry qualifications, was about to train as an OPD, then they cut the bursary (something silly like £400 a month), which for a woman with 3 children would have made all the difference to her. Apparently, over half the people she was to have trained with also packed it in!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

steeleye20 Croydon 26 Oct 18 9.08am
Another load of excuses and failures from brexiteers unable to see that they and Brexit are the problem. This time we are losing EU nurses who are quite rightly turning their backs on what a s***e placed we are becoming. In their banana logic it is actually good that we lose EU nurses when we don't have enough nurses as it is. Brexiteers should be placed under house arrest and barred from voting and the NHS. They should also be refused food and medecines in favour of remainers, after their homes are conviscated to pay the divorce bill. What to do with them after? Gassing has been suggested but there is a new re-training facility in China that looks ideal. Even worse, they may be named by Peter Hain.

steeleye20

Croydon 26 Oct 18 9.08am

Another load of excuses and failures from brexiteers unable to see that they and Brexit are the problem.

This time we are losing EU nurses who are quite rightly turning their backs on what a s***e placed we are becoming.

In their banana logic it is actually good that we lose EU nurses when we don't have enough nurses as it is.

Brexiteers should be placed under house arrest and barred from voting and the NHS.

They should also be refused food and medecines in favour of remainers, after their homes are conviscated to pay the divorce bill.

What to do with them after? Gassing has been suggested but there is a new re-training facility in China that looks ideal.

Even worse, they may be named by Peter Hain.

Pussay Patrol 26 Oct 18 9.37am
More evidence how we will be worse off [Link] Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

26 Oct 18 9.37am

More evidence how we will be worse off

[Link]

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

rob1969 Banstead Surrey 26 Oct 18 10.10am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol More evidence how we will be worse off [Link] Perhaps the high percentage of under 30’s who couldn’t be bothered to vote will wish they had now.

rob1969

Banstead Surrey 26 Oct 18 10.10am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

More evidence how we will be worse off

[Link]

Perhaps the high percentage of under 30’s who couldn’t be bothered to vote will wish they had now.

Mapletree Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.11am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle The shortage of nurses in this country is due to two things. Firstly the Royal College of Nursing have been trying for years to try and make nursing on a par with doctoring so have increased the entry qualification requirement to a university degree. Secondly the government has slashed the bursary paid to student nurses so that only the wealthy who can afford not to have an income for four years can train. My wife qualified as a staff nurse a dozen years ago but now without a university degree or the necessary funding she wouldn't be able to Yes, it’s a mixture of the RCN doing what Unions do and making Nurse supply restricted plus poor Government decisions. RMNs is a particularly extreme case To remind you, this is the Brexit Thread. What are we going to do? Melt down for years would be my guess. Good job none of us will need help then, eh? Or we take the good advice from our HOL friends, that would go well.

Mapletree

Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.11am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Secondly the government has slashed the bursary paid to student nurses so that only the wealthy who can afford not to have an income for four years can train.

My wife qualified as a staff nurse a dozen years ago but now without a university degree or the necessary funding she wouldn't be able to

Yes, it’s a mixture of the RCN doing what Unions do and making Nurse supply restricted plus poor Government decisions. RMNs is a particularly extreme case

To remind you, this is the Brexit Thread. What are we going to do? Melt down for years would be my guess. Good job none of us will need help then, eh? Or we take the good advice from our HOL friends, that would go well.

Mapletree Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.12am
Originally posted by rob1969 Perhaps the high percentage of under 30’s who couldn’t be bothered to vote will wish they had now. Wasn’t that a fallacy? [Link] Mind you, the retired people did turn out in spectacular numbers to Make Britain Great Again. My mother still remembers how things used to be. Or rather how she remembers how they used to be. Edited by Mapletree (26 Oct 2018 10.17am)

Mapletree

Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.12am

Originally posted by rob1969

Perhaps the high percentage of under 30’s who couldn’t be bothered to vote will wish they had now.

Wasn’t that a fallacy?

[Link]

Mind you, the retired people did turn out in spectacular numbers to Make Britain Great Again. My mother still remembers how things used to be. Or rather how she remembers how they used to be.

Edited by Mapletree (26 Oct 2018 10.17am)

Stirlingsays 26 Oct 18 10.13am
So nursing needs to get back to its roots....a profession staffed mainly by bright working class or lower middle class women......not this ridiculous 'degree' requirement. Those who came up with that requirement should never hold any responsibility on high level decisions again. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

26 Oct 18 10.13am

So nursing needs to get back to its roots....a profession staffed mainly by bright working class or lower middle class women......not this ridiculous 'degree' requirement.

Those who came up with that requirement should never hold any responsibility on high level decisions again.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.18am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So nursing needs to get back to its roots....a profession staffed mainly by bright working class or lower middle class women......not this ridiculous 'degree' requirement. Those who came up with that requirement should never hold any responsibility on high level decisions again. You really don’t know what you are talking about on this. Stop digging.

Mapletree

Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.18am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So nursing needs to get back to its roots....a profession staffed mainly by bright working class or lower middle class women......not this ridiculous 'degree' requirement.

Those who came up with that requirement should never hold any responsibility on high level decisions again.

You really don’t know what you are talking about on this. Stop digging.

Badger11 Beckenham 26 Oct 18 10.23am
Originally posted by Mapletree Wasn’t that a fallacy? [Link] Mind you, the retired people did turn out in spectacular numbers to Make Britain Great Again. My mother still remembers how things used to be. Or rather how she remembers how they used to be. Edited by Mapletree (26 Oct 2018 10.17am) Yes we did because we don't care about the future of young people in this country we are grumpy, selfish and stupid Brexiteers. On the other hand some of us may have voted to leave because we do care about this country and want to ensure that future generations will have a better life. Take your pick. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 26 Oct 18 10.23am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Wasn’t that a fallacy?

[Link]

Mind you, the retired people did turn out in spectacular numbers to Make Britain Great Again. My mother still remembers how things used to be. Or rather how she remembers how they used to be.

Edited by Mapletree (26 Oct 2018 10.17am)

Yes we did because we don't care about the future of young people in this country we are grumpy, selfish and stupid Brexiteers. On the other hand some of us may have voted to leave because we do care about this country and want to ensure that future generations will have a better life. Take your pick.

One more point

Pussay Patrol 26 Oct 18 10.43am
Originally posted by Badger11 Yes we did because we don't care about the future of young people in this country we are grumpy, selfish and stupid Brexiteers. On the other hand some of us may have voted to leave because we do care about this country and want to ensure that future generations will have a better life. Take your pick. OK, just got to wait 50-100 years [Link] Presumably you're thinking 3-5 generations ahead? Edited by Pussay Patrol (26 Oct 2018 10.44am) Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

26 Oct 18 10.43am

Originally posted by Badger11

OK, just got to wait 50-100 years

[Link]

Presumably you're thinking 3-5 generations ahead?

Edited by Pussay Patrol (26 Oct 2018 10.44am)

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Mapletree Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.50am
Originally posted by Badger11 Yes we did because we don't care about the future of young people in this country we are grumpy, selfish and stupid Brexiteers. On the other hand some of us may have voted to leave because we do care about this country and want to ensure that future generations will have a better life. Take your pick. Or a third option, you know better than the silly feckless young people and need to ‘guide’ them. And as many of you don’t fully participate in the economy, with pension schemes invested overseas, you can make more objective decisions for those that will live with the effects.

Mapletree

Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.50am

Originally posted by Badger11

Or a third option, you know better than the silly feckless young people and need to ‘guide’ them. And as many of you don’t fully participate in the economy, with pension schemes invested overseas, you can make more objective decisions for those that will live with the effects.

Badger11 Beckenham 26 Oct 18 10.52am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol OK, just got to wait 50-100 years [Link] Presumably you're thinking 3-5 generations ahead? Edited by Pussay Patrol (26 Oct 2018 10.44am) Well I certainly won't make 50 years if I am lucky maybe 30 years still I have put my money where my mouth is. My pension is not an annuity its a pot of investments from which I drawdown. If I am wrong I am in for a poor retirement. However I didn't vote to leave for economics or for immigration I voted for freedom. Freedom for our government to set its own budget and not have a EU civil service block it. Funny thing freedom we used to be proud of it in this country I guess its a dirty word today. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 26 Oct 18 10.52am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

OK, just got to wait 50-100 years

[Link]

Presumably you're thinking 3-5 generations ahead?

Edited by Pussay Patrol (26 Oct 2018 10.44am)

Well I certainly won't make 50 years if I am lucky maybe 30 years still I have put my money where my mouth is. My pension is not an annuity its a pot of investments from which I drawdown. If I am wrong I am in for a poor retirement.

However I didn't vote to leave for economics or for immigration I voted for freedom. Freedom for our government to set its own budget and not have a EU civil service block it.

Funny thing freedom we used to be proud of it in this country I guess its a dirty word today.

One more point

steeleye20 Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.54am
On balance, it pains me to say it, but the UK will not mourn the passing of my generation.

steeleye20

Croydon 26 Oct 18 10.54am

On balance, it pains me to say it, but the UK will not mourn the passing of my generation.

cryrst The garden of England 26 Oct 18 10.56am
Originally posted by Badger11 Yes we did because we don't care about the future of young people in this country we are grumpy, selfish and stupid Brexiteers. On the other hand some of us may have voted to leave because we do care about this country and want to ensure that future generations will have a better life. Take your pick. I stand by my own opinion of the voting requirements. Those being aged 16-75 At 16 you need to work so that makes that argument. At 76 you normally have retired and will be over 80 once it all comes to fruition. Hows it going to affect you. Dont be fooled by peoples reasons. A lot was purely for immigration but as the environment we are in makes you a racist not many are going to fess up to it. Bbc asked 10 people on camera to write down their reason. 5 said for trading reasons 5 said for our own laws Not one said immigration. What a load of twaddle. No one would go on camera admitting it Would you !?

cryrst

The garden of England 26 Oct 18 10.56am

Originally posted by Badger11

I stand by my own opinion of the voting requirements.
Those being aged 16-75
At 16 you need to work so that makes that argument.
At 76 you normally have retired and will be over 80 once it all comes to fruition.
Hows it going to affect you.
Dont be fooled by peoples reasons.
A lot was purely for immigration but as the environment we are in makes you a racist not many are going to fess up to it.
Bbc asked 10 people on camera to write down their reason.
5 said for trading reasons
5 said for our own laws
Not one said immigration.
What a load of twaddle.
No one would go on camera admitting it
Would you !?

Badger11 Beckenham 26 Oct 18 11.05am
Originally posted by steeleye20 On balance, it pains me to say it, but the UK will not mourn the passing of my generation. I think we can both agree on that. As a friend tells me we will only be remembered by 2 possibly 3 generations after that we are forgotten. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 26 Oct 18 11.05am

Originally posted by steeleye20

On balance, it pains me to say it, but the UK will not mourn the passing of my generation.

I think we can both agree on that. As a friend tells me we will only be remembered by 2 possibly 3 generations after that we are forgotten.

One more point

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