Congratulations. You absolutely use this thread to cope with this time. There's a bit more to coping with all aspects of a pandemic and how society deals with it than walking out of your front door. I dare say most here have had a meal out or a few pints every now and again unless they are shielding. You've hardly climbing kilimanjaro in doing so.

If someone posts something that's clearly ludicrously one sided about flu vaccines, and someone else fleshes it out, and the latter post is what you latch onto, that says a lot more about your mentality than anyone elses. You're not interested in a balanced take, and all it shows is that you have zero quality control over what you want to believe, and an endlessly antagonistic approach to anything you're not interested in hearing. Whatever gets you through the day.

I wouldn't claim to know the extent that localised tier 2 and 3 lockdowns (while other areas are 'open for business') would have on specific areas. And as you say, positive tests may well fall in student areas being that masses of students will get the virus at the same time. It may also be that they remain relatively high on account of community spread from said students. Oh no, i've made one point, and then stated another rational factor that might factor in. I should 'get on message' rather than express considered thought. The guillotine for me!

For many very elderly and vulnerable (those that are still with us), a vaccine is something that they are well within their rights to hope for and hold out for. It's funny that people display such a s*** attitude towards the elderly that feel that you'd probably die soon anyway, or are a bunch of 'coping mechanism' fools if they're living a quieter than usual life and looking to a vaccine that has a decent chance of saving their lives.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 4.24pm)

That was funny.

Especially the final paragraph which doesn’t sound like older people I’ve spoken to. And anyway, it’s the government and more the woke, liberal 30+ who sound like the ones deluding themselves the most. Actually there’s a lot of this in the age group a bit below retirement age. I heard from someone recently after he’d spoken to someone in his 90’s and he said they don’t know what they’re doing to the country by destroying it. Actually I can’t be bothered to elaborate on what he thinks.

COYP

Compartmentalizing people is not helping cohesion today's UK society.
WOKE, Lefties, Righties, BLM, GL is only creating unnecessary divisions within society.

Black History month, being another separatist movement, along with black music.. This will only end badly.

And back to CV. Loads of BS and nothing of substance from the UK Government.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Oct 2020 4.49pm)

I disengage, I turn the page.

Yes, we'd have been better sticking with a plan that achieved a degree of balance. A total lockdown for months followed by a 50% off 100 million meal giveaway that had places heaving clearly didn't fit together well as a solution. It was the lurching of one extreme to the other. A blind faith that things what somehow just work out.

On the plus side, there are better treatments out now, so for those up against it there are more ways to get them through. And also, and I know saying anything positive is some kind of taboo, but if a vaccine is available over the next few months that may well be a further valuable and in a sense the final took in the toolkit for even the most vulnerable and elderly to get back to normal.

I do think that daily positives were likely much higher in the 'first wave' due to a lack of testing, so however bad the daily total are now, a better metric I feel would be deaths, as we have to go with something (I'm not one who goes in for all of the 'no number means anything because I can cobble together one sided reasons to disbelieve them). I don't believe these will reach prior levels and so that too is a plus and may offer some a sense of perspective. Looking at other countries that would appear to be the case too. It's already ripped through high risk environments like homes, because perplexingly they're the only groups that the government didn't really have much of a plan for.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 5.06pm)

Here we go again. Elderly people who are less concerned 'have their feet on the ground', and elderly being careful for now are naive 'coping mechanism' types for holding out for a vaccine that's 'not likely' (or 'actually funny' as you put it). You're incapable of viewing anything in a way that isn't either/or.

People can assess their own risk and hopefully make good choices. My point is that this virus is unlikely to go away, and as such if someone is in an especially susceptible group, it's hardly that out there for them to be hopeful that a vaccine will become available that could potentially make a big difference to their quality of life and confidence in getting out there more. If you potentially have about ten years to live, it's not a 'bad bet' to wait for study results to come in over the next couple of months to know where you likely stand.

Not every single sensible point has to be some staging ground for a pointless argument.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 5.41pm)

You just seem to go on vague rants about how you feel about society with little connection to what anyone has actually said to you. Again, its the stressball approach to deal with what's happening. I commented on hope for a vaccine for the elderly and why I can appreciate them holding out for one and how they potentially have their place in getting some through this. For how 'hilarious' you apparently find all of this i'm not seeing much humour in your outlook. But maybe you're dressed as a clown who knows.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 5.57pm)