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.TUX. 07 Nov 18 4.58pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Trump is not and should not be someone we just trust, anything we sign up to with him he may just walk away any time he wants. That's what his record shows, and his daily egotistical paranoia is concerning. No politician should ever be trusted but if he does manage break The Fed then he'll have done more than pretty much any politician in the history of this pathetic charade. Fingers crossed. Edited by .TUX. (07 Nov 2018 4.58pm) Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

07 Nov 18 4.58pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Trump is not and should not be someone we just trust, anything we sign up to with him he may just walk away any time he wants.

That's what his record shows, and his daily egotistical paranoia is concerning.

No politician should ever be trusted but if he does manage break The Fed then he'll have done more than pretty much any politician in the history of this pathetic charade.
Fingers crossed.

Edited by .TUX. (07 Nov 2018 4.58pm)

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 10 Nov 18 10.23am
Mr Johnson, who voted to remain in the EU in the 2016 referendum, stood down as Theresa May's prospective deal with Brussels was being presented to Cabinet ministers. He warned the UK faced a choice between "vassalage" under her proposals and "chaos" if it left the EU without a deal. Next March, under Mrs May's proposals, the UK will lose control of its interests in the EU. Most importantly, its alignment and membership of the single market and customs union will be subject to the European Courts of Justice, the ECJ. This is the 'vassalage' to which Johnson is referring, and it goes a lot deeper. Basically the UK has to accept anything the ECJ direct and that is it, not as at present with the veto and EU membership. Not only is the UK giving up control of its own destiny in Europe to the EU it is also paying for the privilege. If the ECJ rule that EU fishermen may fish in our waters then that is what will happen, so much for sovereignity. Tony Blair says there is no plus side, at best it is just pointless, he is right. You may, however, in a couple of years, find it is marginally more difficult, or marginally easier, to get an emergency plumber.

steeleye20

Croydon 10 Nov 18 10.23am

Mr Johnson, who voted to remain in the EU in the 2016 referendum, stood down as Theresa May's prospective deal with Brussels was being presented to Cabinet ministers.
He warned the UK faced a choice between "vassalage" under her proposals and "chaos" if it left the EU without a deal.

Next March, under Mrs May's proposals, the UK will lose control of its interests in the EU.

Most importantly, its alignment and membership of the single market and customs union will be subject to the European Courts of Justice, the ECJ.

This is the 'vassalage' to which Johnson is referring, and it goes a lot deeper.

Basically the UK has to accept anything the ECJ direct and that is it, not as at present with the veto and EU membership.

Not only is the UK giving up control of its own destiny in Europe to the EU it is also paying for the privilege.

If the ECJ rule that EU fishermen may fish in our waters then that is what will happen, so much for sovereignity.

Tony Blair says there is no plus side, at best it is just pointless, he is right.

You may, however, in a couple of years, find it is marginally more difficult, or marginally easier, to get an emergency plumber.

Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 18 12.08pm
I have a horrible feeling that Mrs May is selling us down the river and we will end up with a deal that everyone hates. In that case i will hold her to her word No deal is better.... What doesn't make sense to me is the Irish backstop. If I understand correctly she will try to implement this because we need more time to agree a solution with the EU. This is just rubbish, if she said we have a solution to the Irish border but it will take 6 months to implement, because it involves technology and rule changes etc, I would probably agree. The point being the solution is agreed and it is an implementation delay. However if we don't have a solution now when the pressure is on both side why will we have one when the pressure is off. This smacks of us accepting EU control on the never never. Edited by Badger11 (10 Nov 2018 12.09pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 10 Nov 18 12.08pm

I have a horrible feeling that Mrs May is selling us down the river and we will end up with a deal that everyone hates. In that case i will hold her to her word No deal is better....

What doesn't make sense to me is the Irish backstop. If I understand correctly she will try to implement this because we need more time to agree a solution with the EU. This is just rubbish, if she said we have a solution to the Irish border but it will take 6 months to implement, because it involves technology and rule changes etc, I would probably agree. The point being the solution is agreed and it is an implementation delay.

However if we don't have a solution now when the pressure is on both side why will we have one when the pressure is off. This smacks of us accepting EU control on the never never.

Edited by Badger11 (10 Nov 2018 12.09pm)

One more point

steeleye20 Croydon 10 Nov 18 12.31pm
Jo Johnson: it would be travesty not to have second Brexit vote. Ex-transport minister says leave campaign made fantasy promises that have been shown up as undeliverable Not only applies to brexit, but practically any other project emanating from Westminster you could think of. The scale of their incompetence is only matched by the huge sums they pour into projects that had never been thought out properly in the first place.

steeleye20

Croydon 10 Nov 18 12.31pm

Jo Johnson: it would be travesty not to have second Brexit vote.

Ex-transport minister says leave campaign made fantasy promises that have been shown up as undeliverable

Not only applies to brexit, but practically any other project emanating from Westminster you could think of.

The scale of their incompetence is only matched by the huge sums they pour into projects that had never been thought out properly in the first place.

dannyboy1978 12 Nov 18 7.18am
What hypocrisy. BBC News - Nationalism a driving force behind fake news in India, research shows [Link]

dannyboy1978

12 Nov 18 7.18am

What hypocrisy.
BBC News - Nationalism a driving force behind fake news in India, research shows
[Link]

Pussay Patrol 12 Nov 18 9.08am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 What hypocrisy. BBC News - Nationalism a driving force behind fake news in India, research shows [Link] Seems they have seen how dubious news stories and what does and does not get reported by the media over here influenced voting for Brexit So many exaggerated scare stories on immigration always at the top of the right leaning news agenda influenced voting, media outlets owned by millionaires who will benefit from brexit, but unfortunately so many people are conned because they can't see past their own prejudices even though the same people now realise what a disaster Brexit is becoming Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

12 Nov 18 9.08am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What hypocrisy.
BBC News - Nationalism a driving force behind fake news in India, research shows
[Link]

Seems they have seen how dubious news stories and what does and does not get reported by the media over here influenced voting for Brexit

So many exaggerated scare stories on immigration always at the top of the right leaning news agenda influenced voting, media outlets owned by millionaires who will benefit from brexit, but unfortunately so many people are conned because they can't see past their own prejudices even though the same people now realise what a disaster Brexit is becoming

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Nov 18 9.38am
Another pro Remain puff* piece from the BBC. [Link] It seems that employers are struggling to recruit migrant workers and that this has forced them to raise wages. Cos how terrible for those staff being forced to take a pay rise. This story reminds me of the way the BBC reports immigration figures. Big headline "number of immigrants falls". When you read the details of course the number has fallen from 250,000 to 200,000. Or as I would put it "Government fails to control immigration as it rises by a further 200,000." *I called it a puff piece because the research was done by the CIPD which is an organisation that represents HR people (corporate mouth piece). I remember a journalist saying that the vast majority of news stories are re-prints of PR given to journalists by government, corporates and other organisations. Or as Mr trump would say fake news. Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 11.06am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Nov 18 9.38am

Another pro Remain puff* piece from the BBC.

[Link]

It seems that employers are struggling to recruit migrant workers and that this has forced them to raise wages. Cos how terrible for those staff being forced to take a pay rise.

This story reminds me of the way the BBC reports immigration figures. Big headline "number of immigrants falls". When you read the details of course the number has fallen from 250,000 to 200,000. Or as I would put it "Government fails to control immigration as it rises by a further 200,000."

*I called it a puff piece because the research was done by the CIPD which is an organisation that represents HR people (corporate mouth piece). I remember a journalist saying that the vast majority of news stories are re-prints of PR given to journalists by government, corporates and other organisations. Or as Mr trump would say fake news.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 11.06am)

One more point

Pussay Patrol 12 Nov 18 11.19am
Brexit is a complete shambles From a Tory [Link] And from a major captain of industry Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

12 Nov 18 11.19am

Brexit is a complete shambles

From a Tory

[Link]

And from a major captain of industry

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Nov 18 11.52am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Brexit is a complete shambles From a Tory [Link] And from a major captain of industry Just because it's been badly negotiated by a clown like the Maybot does not make the referendum less valid or the result be reversed.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 12 Nov 18 11.52am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Brexit is a complete shambles

From a Tory

[Link]

And from a major captain of industry

Just because it's been badly negotiated by a clown like the Maybot does not make the referendum less valid or the result be reversed.

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Nov 18 12.07pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Seems they have seen how dubious news stories and what does and does not get reported by the media over here influenced voting for Brexit So many exaggerated scare stories on immigration always at the top of the right leaning news agenda influenced voting, media outlets owned by millionaires who will benefit from brexit, but unfortunately so many people are conned because they can't see past their own prejudices even though the same people now realise what a disaster Brexit is becoming The bulls*** narrative that Remainers want to spread. Right leaning news agenda? I nominate you for the Nick GUssett talking bollocks award 2018.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Nov 18 12.07pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Seems they have seen how dubious news stories and what does and does not get reported by the media over here influenced voting for Brexit

The bulls*** narrative that Remainers want to spread.

Right leaning news agenda? I nominate you for the Nick GUssett talking bollocks award 2018.

dannyboy1978 12 Nov 18 12.10pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Another pro Remain puff* piece from the BBC. [Link] It seems that employers are struggling to recruit migrant workers and that this has forced them to raise wages. Cos how terrible for those staff being forced to take a pay rise. This story reminds me of the way the BBC reports immigration figures. Big headline "number of immigrants falls". When you read the details of course the number has fallen from 250,000 to 200,000. Or as I would put it "Government fails to control immigration as it rises by a further 200,000." *I called it a puff piece because the research was done by the CIPD which is an organisation that represents HR people (corporate mouth piece). I remember a journalist saying that the vast majority of news stories are re-prints of PR given to journalists by government, corporates and other organisations. Or as Mr trump would say fake news. Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 11.06am) The head line should have been about The squeeze is leading employers to increase pay rates, said the CIPD. Great news, then the money gets put back in the system and recycled .

dannyboy1978

12 Nov 18 12.10pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Another pro Remain puff* piece from the BBC.

[Link]

It seems that employers are struggling to recruit migrant workers and that this has forced them to raise wages. Cos how terrible for those staff being forced to take a pay rise.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 11.06am)

The head line should have been about
The squeeze is leading employers to increase pay rates, said the CIPD.

Great news, then the money gets put back in the system and recycled .

Pussay Patrol 12 Nov 18 12.28pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Just because it's been badly negotiated by a clown like the Maybot does not make the referendum less valid or the result be reversed. But these are clowns you prefer over the EU and our great democracy? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

12 Nov 18 12.28pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Just because it's been badly negotiated by a clown like the Maybot does not make the referendum less valid or the result be reversed.

But these are clowns you prefer over the EU and our great democracy?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Nov 18 12.31pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol But these are clowns you prefer over the EU and our great democracy? The Maybot will be voted out – hence the democracy!

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 12 Nov 18 12.31pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

But these are clowns you prefer over the EU and our great democracy?

The Maybot will be voted out – hence the democracy!

Pussay Patrol 12 Nov 18 12.44pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle The Maybot will be voted out – hence the democracy! No, you can only vote for a party not who is leader. So if you want to vote her out you'll vote Corbyn? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

12 Nov 18 12.44pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

The Maybot will be voted out – hence the democracy!

No, you can only vote for a party not who is leader.

So if you want to vote her out you'll vote Corbyn?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Mapletree Croydon 12 Nov 18 12.50pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Another pro Remain puff* piece from the BBC. [Link] It seems that employers are struggling to recruit migrant workers and that this has forced them to raise wages. Cos how terrible for those staff being forced to take a pay rise. This story reminds me of the way the BBC reports immigration figures. Big headline "number of immigrants falls". When you read the details of course the number has fallen from 250,000 to 200,000. Or as I would put it "Government fails to control immigration as it rises by a further 200,000." *I called it a puff piece because the research was done by the CIPD which is an organisation that represents HR people (corporate mouth piece). I remember a journalist saying that the vast majority of news stories are re-prints of PR given to journalists by government, corporates and other organisations. Or as Mr trump would say fake news. Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 11.06am) The CIPD is a strong and respected professional body. What it is saying is what HR people are finding. Nothing more, nothing less. And it accords with my personal experience. Have you tried taking people through the process of obtaining a work permit and visa recently? Including the language test? So puff off. Edited by Mapletree (12 Nov 2018 12.53pm)

Mapletree

Croydon 12 Nov 18 12.50pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Another pro Remain puff* piece from the BBC.

[Link]

It seems that employers are struggling to recruit migrant workers and that this has forced them to raise wages. Cos how terrible for those staff being forced to take a pay rise.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 11.06am)

The CIPD is a strong and respected professional body.

What it is saying is what HR people are finding. Nothing more, nothing less. And it accords with my personal experience.

Have you tried taking people through the process of obtaining a work permit and visa recently? Including the language test?

So puff off.

Edited by Mapletree (12 Nov 2018 12.53pm)

dannyboy1978 12 Nov 18 12.55pm
CIPD This reports somthing different [Link]

dannyboy1978

12 Nov 18 12.55pm

CIPD
This reports somthing different
[Link]

Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Nov 18 1.02pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol No, you can only vote for a party not who is leader. So if you want to vote her out you'll vote Corbyn? I think she will be gone as leader before I get the chance anyway. The public feeling will put pressure on the Tory party and remove her if necessary. Plus, I could vote tactically for Labour or Lib Dems or UKIP for its anti-EU policy.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 12 Nov 18 1.02pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No, you can only vote for a party not who is leader.

So if you want to vote her out you'll vote Corbyn?

I think she will be gone as leader before I get the chance anyway. The public feeling will put pressure on the Tory party and remove her if necessary.

Plus, I could vote tactically for Labour or Lib Dems or UKIP for its anti-EU policy.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Nov 18 1.08pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 CIPD This reports somthing different [Link] I just read the quality and unbiased analysis from the Independent " Despite Prime Minister Theresa May’s empty sloganeering about the creation of a ‘Global Britain’, the foul smell of her hostile environment migration policy persists" I would hardly call that good journalism the reporter could have made them point without the insults. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Nov 18 1.08pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

CIPD
This reports somthing different
[Link]

I just read the quality and unbiased analysis from the Independent
" Despite Prime Minister Theresa May’s empty sloganeering about the creation of a ‘Global Britain’, the foul smell of her hostile environment migration policy persists"

I would hardly call that good journalism the reporter could have made them point without the insults.

One more point

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 12 Nov 18 1.12pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol No, you can only vote for a party not who is leader. So if you want to vote her out you'll vote Corbyn? No way would I vote Corbyn, he is just the mirror image of the cretins on here. if they stopped, looked, and applied some thought, they would have a lot more in common than just Brexit. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 12 Nov 18 1.12pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No, you can only vote for a party not who is leader.

So if you want to vote her out you'll vote Corbyn?

No way would I vote Corbyn, he is just the mirror image of the cretins on here. if they stopped, looked, and applied some thought, they would have a lot more in common than just Brexit.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

steeleye20 Croydon 12 Nov 18 2.21pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I just read the quality and unbiased analysis from the Independent " Despite Prime Minister Theresa May’s empty sloganeering about the creation of a ‘Global Britain’, the foul smell of her hostile environment migration policy persists" I would hardly call that good journalism the reporter could have made them point without the insults. That is emotive territory though, isn't it, she is responsible for broken families and shattered lives.

steeleye20

Croydon 12 Nov 18 2.21pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I would hardly call that good journalism the reporter could have made them point without the insults.

That is emotive territory though, isn't it, she is responsible for broken families and shattered lives.

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