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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Dec 21 1.42pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Hopefully that is correct although the other day I saw a report that said they had mislaid many thousands of cases so there numbers may be suspect. Stirling said he didn’t trust the SA cases and thought they were exaggerated. I’ve seen some think SA have hidden the danger of omicron to save tourism during their summer. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 14 Dec 21 1.42pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Hopefully that is correct although the other day I saw a report that said they had mislaid many thousands of cases so there numbers may be suspect.

Stirling said he didn’t trust the SA cases and thought they were exaggerated. I’ve seen some think SA have hidden the danger of omicron to save tourism during their summer.

COYP

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 2.55pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle It’s also questioning who decides what is and isn’t “misinformation”. Any theory which challenges accepted fact could be so labelled unless it’s proved at which point previous fact becomes misinformation. I know, but the social media companies are free to decide that for themselves. It's their platforms. In fact, they try to keep a lot at arms length, but someone has to decide, and as soon as they do, someone else will disagree. Most times misinformation is pretty obvious, but there will always be fuzzy edges. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 2.55pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It’s also questioning who decides what is and isn’t “misinformation”. Any theory which challenges accepted fact could be so labelled unless it’s proved at which point previous fact becomes misinformation.

I know, but the social media companies are free to decide that for themselves. It's their platforms. In fact, they try to keep a lot at arms length, but someone has to decide, and as soon as they do, someone else will disagree.

Most times misinformation is pretty obvious, but there will always be fuzzy edges.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 14 Dec 21 3.11pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Stirling said he didn’t trust the SA cases and thought they were exaggerated. I’ve seen some think SA have hidden the danger of omicron to save tourism during their summer. Yup that is my suspicion as well. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 14 Dec 21 3.11pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Stirling said he didn’t trust the SA cases and thought they were exaggerated. I’ve seen some think SA have hidden the danger of omicron to save tourism during their summer.

Yup that is my suspicion as well.

One more point

georgenorman 14 Dec 21 3.48pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Yup that is my suspicion as well. Why would anyone want to go to South Africa, the state it is in these days.

georgenorman

14 Dec 21 3.48pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup that is my suspicion as well.

Why would anyone want to go to South Africa, the state it is in these days.

Teddy Eagle 14 Dec 21 4.49pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I know, but the social media companies are free to decide that for themselves. It's their platforms. In fact, they try to keep a lot at arms length, but someone has to decide, and as soon as they do, someone else will disagree. Most times misinformation is pretty obvious, but there will always be fuzzy edges. At what stage does it become censorship?

Teddy Eagle

14 Dec 21 4.49pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Most times misinformation is pretty obvious, but there will always be fuzzy edges.

At what stage does it become censorship?

Grumbles 14 Dec 21 4.52pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle At what stage does it become censorship? When people believe that lizardmen have taken over the US elite and are eating babies for a made up drug?

Grumbles 14 Dec 21 4.52pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

At what stage does it become censorship?

When people believe that lizardmen have taken over the US elite and are eating babies for a made up drug?

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Dec 21 5.02pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle At what stage does it become censorship? As long as everyone says the right thing, and they shut people up for saying the wrong thing, then never. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Dec 21 5.02pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

At what stage does it become censorship?

As long as everyone says the right thing, and they shut people up for saying the wrong thing, then never.

Red and Blue Army!

Teddy Eagle 14 Dec 21 5.24pm
Originally posted by Grumbles When people believe that lizardmen have taken over the US elite and are eating babies for a made up drug? Now I’m anxious. Lizard men? Are there many of them? Is anybody doing anything about this? Better get the word out quickly.

Teddy Eagle

14 Dec 21 5.24pm

Originally posted by Grumbles

When people believe that lizardmen have taken over the US elite and are eating babies for a made up drug?

Now I’m anxious. Lizard men? Are there many of them? Is anybody doing anything about this? Better get the word out quickly.

Teddy Eagle 14 Dec 21 5.28pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC As long as everyone says the right thing, and they shut people up for saying the wrong thing, then never. Thoughtcrime is indeed the most important enemy to be overcome. Particularly in the environment of the intellectual powerhouse that is Facebook.

Teddy Eagle

14 Dec 21 5.28pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

As long as everyone says the right thing, and they shut people up for saying the wrong thing, then never.

Thoughtcrime is indeed the most important enemy to be overcome.
Particularly in the environment of the intellectual powerhouse that is Facebook.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 5.55pm
Originally posted by Grumbles When people believe that lizardmen have taken over the US elite and are eating babies for a made up drug? That soon? According to David Icke that's imminent, so we had better get some pizza in. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 5.55pm

Originally posted by Grumbles

When people believe that lizardmen have taken over the US elite and are eating babies for a made up drug?

That soon?

According to David Icke that's imminent, so we had better get some pizza in.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 6.01pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle At what stage does it become censorship? Never. Private businesses cannot really censor. Only governments can do that. Private businesses can determine what they permit on their platforms, but as they own them, no-one else has any rights on content. If they decide it's not what they want to appear, then it won't. If you to say it, then no-one is stopping you from finding another outlet, even in the street if you cannot get published, so long as it's lawful. Only governments can make it unlawful, thus censoring. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 6.01pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

At what stage does it become censorship?

Never. Private businesses cannot really censor. Only governments can do that. Private businesses can determine what they permit on their platforms, but as they own them, no-one else has any rights on content. If they decide it's not what they want to appear, then it won't. If you to say it, then no-one is stopping you from finding another outlet, even in the street if you cannot get published, so long as it's lawful. Only governments can make it unlawful, thus censoring.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

georgenorman 14 Dec 21 6.02pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Thoughtcrime is indeed the most important enemy to be overcome. Particularly in the environment of the intellectual powerhouse that is Facebook. “Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.” [Orwell]

georgenorman

14 Dec 21 6.02pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Thoughtcrime is indeed the most important enemy to be overcome.
Particularly in the environment of the intellectual powerhouse that is Facebook.

“Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.” [Orwell]

Teddy Eagle 14 Dec 21 6.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Never. Private businesses cannot really censor. Only governments can do that. Private businesses can determine what they permit on their platforms, but as they own them, no-one else has any rights on content. If they decide it's not what they want to appear, then it won't. If you to say it, then no-one is stopping you from finding another outlet, even in the street if you cannot get published, so long as it's lawful. Only governments can make it unlawful, thus censoring. Yes. Censorship.

Teddy Eagle

14 Dec 21 6.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes. Censorship.

BlueJay UK 14 Dec 21 7.32pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Neil Oliver on the Covid crises of leadership. Apparently there are now 80 Tory Mps planning to vote against vaccine passports.....it's scary that there are no libertarians existing anymore in Labour or....quite absurdly the liberal democrat party all planning to vote for them. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2021 10.54pm) Liberal Democrat MP Daisy Cooper told the BBC her party would vote for masks in limited settings but against the introduction of coronavirus passes and from the latest BBC updates it appears to infer that they have all done so: "The Labour leadership supported the move, but the Liberal Democrats and many on Boris Johnson's own Conservative benches opposed it."

BlueJay

UK 14 Dec 21 7.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Neil Oliver on the Covid crises of leadership.

Apparently there are now 80 Tory Mps planning to vote against vaccine passports.....it's scary that there are no libertarians existing anymore in Labour or....quite absurdly the liberal democrat party all planning to vote for them.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2021 10.54pm)

Liberal Democrat MP Daisy Cooper told the BBC her party would vote for masks in limited settings but against the introduction of coronavirus passes and from the latest BBC updates it appears to infer that they have all done so:

"The Labour leadership supported the move, but the Liberal Democrats and many on Boris Johnson's own Conservative benches opposed it."

Stirlingsays 14 Dec 21 8.33pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Explain your sentence construction point. It is indeed true. Which virologist is saying any of this nonsense? Forget the sentence stuff, it's too puerile. As for the article, you clearly didn't read it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

14 Dec 21 8.33pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Explain your sentence construction point.

It is indeed true. Which virologist is saying any of this nonsense?

Forget the sentence stuff, it's too puerile.

As for the article, you clearly didn't read it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 14 Dec 21 8.37pm
Originally posted by BlueJay Liberal Democrat MP Daisy Cooper told the BBC her party would vote for masks in limited settings but against the introduction of coronavirus passes and from the latest BBC updates it appears to infer that they have all done so: "The Labour leadership supported the move, but the Liberal Democrats and many on Boris Johnson's own Conservative benches opposed it." Well, I tip my hat to them on the passes, as I can't see how voting for that would square with the very core of civil liberties. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

14 Dec 21 8.37pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

"The Labour leadership supported the move, but the Liberal Democrats and many on Boris Johnson's own Conservative benches opposed it."

Well, I tip my hat to them on the passes, as I can't see how voting for that would square with the very core of civil liberties.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 9.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, I tip my hat to them on the passes, as I can't see how voting for that would square with the very core of civil liberties. Of course, you can't. It seems to me you would put your "right" to decide everything for yourself over anything else. As I am sure you know, civil liberties can sometimes be suspended at times of a national emergency, for instance in wartime. I realise that you think the current crisis is being massively overstated, but I don't, and it seems that those who actually take the decisions agree with me, and not you. You voted this lot in, not me, but I don't argue about the need to act together in a national emergency. For me, this is a war that demands a national effort to win it, and those who refuse to assist in that effort deserve all the condemnation that's coming to them. Until it's won, civil liberties take a back seat when they get in the way of anything that can help defeat the enemy. If they don't, defend them to your heart's content, but if they do, then do everyone a favour, stop being so damn self centred, and do what's needed. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 9.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, I tip my hat to them on the passes, as I can't see how voting for that would square with the very core of civil liberties.

Of course, you can't.

It seems to me you would put your "right" to decide everything for yourself over anything else.

As I am sure you know, civil liberties can sometimes be suspended at times of a national emergency, for instance in wartime.

I realise that you think the current crisis is being massively overstated, but I don't, and it seems that those who actually take the decisions agree with me, and not you. You voted this lot in, not me, but I don't argue about the need to act together in a national emergency.

For me, this is a war that demands a national effort to win it, and those who refuse to assist in that effort deserve all the condemnation that's coming to them. Until it's won, civil liberties take a back seat when they get in the way of anything that can help defeat the enemy. If they don't, defend them to your heart's content, but if they do, then do everyone a favour, stop being so damn self centred, and do what's needed.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 9.20pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC As long as everyone says the right thing, and they shut people up for saying the wrong thing, then never. Who do you classify as "they"? I see no evidence at all that even the wildest conspiracy theory cannot find its way onto the public square. What some cannot do, is put them on every platform they like. As they have no innate right to do so, I fail to see why people get upset. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 21 9.20pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

As long as everyone says the right thing, and they shut people up for saying the wrong thing, then never.

Who do you classify as "they"?

I see no evidence at all that even the wildest conspiracy theory cannot find its way onto the public square.

What some cannot do, is put them on every platform they like.

As they have no innate right to do so, I fail to see why people get upset.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 14 Dec 21 9.24pm
Anyone who describes this as a war is either a frigging idiot or a liar. It's insane hubris. You can't win a 'war' with a fecking airborne virus you....man, what's the point....it's what the guy wants. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

14 Dec 21 9.24pm

Anyone who describes this as a war is either a frigging idiot or a liar.

It's insane hubris.

You can't win a 'war' with a fecking airborne virus you....man, what's the point....it's what the guy wants.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 14 Dec 21 9.29pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Who do you classify as "they"? I see no evidence at all that even the wildest conspiracy theory cannot find its way onto the public square. What some cannot do, is put them on every platform they like. As they have no innate right to do so, I fail to see why people get upset. Accepting the point it could never happen because one is the epitome of evil - would you say the same if it was Biden rather than Trump getting banned?

Teddy Eagle

14 Dec 21 9.29pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who do you classify as "they"?

I see no evidence at all that even the wildest conspiracy theory cannot find its way onto the public square.

What some cannot do, is put them on every platform they like.

As they have no innate right to do so, I fail to see why people get upset.

Accepting the point it could never happen because one is the epitome of evil - would you say the same if it was Biden rather than Trump getting banned?

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