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 Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Nov 18 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Elections take place regularly. That is the nature of democracy. Decisions are not static and strategy has to evolve with learning. Read your Minzberg. Don’t personally insult me. It wasn't an election though. It was a Referendum with a simple 'Should we stay in the EU Yes or No' Type question even a f***ing dimwit like me understood what it meant. What part didn't you understand ??
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Stirlingsays  12 Nov 18 11.57pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Not a PEEP repeat Peep would be coming from these whinging remainers if the vote had been to stay in the EU. A bit like the Democrats over here marching & demonstrating because things didn't go their way.
I can remember being told I was 'swiveled eyed' over the EU on here before the referendum......But in all honestly, if you look on this thread the left's eyes have been moving as fast as Oprah looking for lunch. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2018 11.58pm)
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Pussay Patrol  13 Nov 18 6.10am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
By leaving the EU we reduce our liability to its folding down to below five percent of GDP. There will be an adjustment that's for sure, some better and some worse......You're just apart of the fear mongering on the remain side. No doubt you will be nowhere to be seen once your predictions are shown to be significantly over the top. Like many others. Democracy will either win here or it won't. not talking about staying in the EU, but leaving - that is what is happening, that's the here and now. THere is uncertainty - Fact, our currency is weak - Fact, big companies have expressed concern and are reluctant to invest. Not scaremongering, but facts. Maybe someone can explain how a no deal Brexit is a benefit based on facts?
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| Stirlingsays 13 Nov 18 6.59am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
not talking about staying in the EU, but leaving - that is what is happening, that's the here and now. THere is uncertainty - Fact, our currency is weak - Fact, big companies have expressed concern and are reluctant to invest. Not scaremongering, but facts. Maybe someone can explain how a no deal Brexit is a benefit based on facts? You can't talk about facts over a situation which hasn't developed. No one can say with certainty how successful Brexit will or won't be.....it's conjecture based upon their own prejudices. In truth you'd need to give it a time span and then look at it....say ten years. But to answer your question, (because unlike so many on the left I answer questions) a no deal Brexit means the UK can compete with the EU....for example become a tax haven. I wouldn't say I'd advocate for a no deal as my first choice because it's more initially disruptive but I'd be serious about carrying it out. To negotiate with the EU without being deadly serious over a no deal is low IQ.....and that's been the position of Labour.....I know in reality they aren't stupid but that's what they have sold to the public...which means they think the public is stupid. And people wonder why they get criticised over Business. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2018 7.03am)
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| dannyboy1978 13 Nov 18 7.03am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
not talking about staying in the EU, but leaving - that is what is happening, that's the here and now. THere is uncertainty - Fact, our currency is weak - Fact, big companies have expressed concern and are reluctant to invest. Not scaremongering, but facts. Maybe someone can explain how a no deal Brexit is a benefit based on facts? Wages going up . fact These are the things I wanted , great news.
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| Mapletree Croydon 13 Nov 18 7.13am |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
It wasn't an election though. It was a Referendum with a simple 'Should we stay in the EU Yes or No' Type question even a f***ing dimwit like me understood what it meant. What part didn't you understand ?? Why does a second vote worry you? Apparently we follow the will of the people. If that is still leave you get your way. If it is not you aren’t sticking to the rules.
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| dannyboy1978 13 Nov 18 7.30am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Why does a second vote worry you? Apparently we follow the will of the people. If that is still leave you get your way. If it is not you aren’t sticking to the rules. Will of the people? Yes please, I'll have what I voted for thank you very much. Do you honestly think we would have another vote if it was the other way around? So go away and enjoy wages going up.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 18 8.03am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Why does a second vote worry you? Apparently we follow the will of the people. If that is still leave you get your way. If it is not you aren’t sticking to the rules. Who says the people want a second referendum? No doubt you can produce a poll that states this well opinion polls are like noses we all have one. The only way we should have a 2nd referendum would be this scenario: 1. May fails to get Brexit deal through Parliament and calls a GE. Then of course it would have to be clear what we are voting on, the terms of the deal? A re-run of the 2016 referendum? A multiple choice? That would be a democratic process for a 2nd referendum. Anything else is just moaning by people who lost. Edited by Badger11 (13 Nov 2018 8.05am)
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| Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 8.09am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Wages going up . fact These are the things I wanted , great news. No those are things you have written then put the fact at the end House prices going down will be coupled with interest rate hikes, inflation is already growing, mainly due to weak currency, brexit will worsen that. There may be wage inflation in unskilled sectors but not in the main and won't keep up with inflation
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| Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 8.30am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You can't talk about facts over a situation which hasn't developed. No one can say with certainty how successful Brexit will or won't be.....it's conjecture based upon their own prejudices. In truth you'd need to give it a time span and then look at it....say ten years. But to answer your question, (because unlike so many on the left I answer questions) a no deal Brexit means the UK can compete with the EU....for example become a tax haven. I wouldn't say I'd advocate for a no deal as my first choice because it's more initially disruptive but I'd be serious about carrying it out. To negotiate with the EU without being deadly serious over a no deal is low IQ.....and that's been the position of Labour.....I know in reality they aren't stupid but that's what they have sold to the public...which means they think the public is stupid. And people wonder why they get criticised over Business. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2018 7.03am) Be a Tax haven? That's regressive I would have thought there would be a post brexit blueprint about where we go and where we see our economy in 1, 5 and 10 years, but there's nothing. Just chaos. And people such as yourself who just hold out hope that everything will be alright on the night
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 18 8.42am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Be a Tax haven? That's regressive I would have thought there would be a post brexit blueprint about where we go and where we see our economy in 1, 5 and 10 years, but there's nothing. Just chaos. And people such as yourself who just hold out hope that everything will be alright on the night Here Pussy I agree with you. This has been the most disappointing aspect of Brexit the lack of vision over what next. Some people are pushing for a low tax regime but in practice that means we would have to massively reduce benefits / state spending which I am not sure people would accept. My own preference is for something less ambitious to start with. - Reduce red tape, caused by the EU, for companies that do not export. Nothing glamorous here but essentially an agenda to make the UK a fairer place to live.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 13 Nov 18 9.11am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Here Pussy I agree with you. This has been the most disappointing aspect of Brexit the lack of vision over what next. Some people are pushing for a low tax regime but in practice that means we would have to massively reduce benefits / state spending which I am not sure people would accept. My own preference is for something less ambitious to start with. - Reduce red tape, caused by the EU, for companies that do not export. Nothing glamorous here but essentially an agenda to make the UK a fairer place to live. Could almost be reading the labour manifesto (!)
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| Mapletree Croydon 13 Nov 18 9.26am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Will of the people? Yes please, I'll have what I voted for thank you very much. Do you honestly think we would have another vote if it was the other way around? So go away and enjoy wages going up. Why should I go away, don't you like debating? My wages went down immediately after the vote, to zero, as a direct result of the vote. You of course remember the vote was advisory and was extremely close. A stronger mandate would no doubt be helpful. Had there been overwhelming support for one course or the other this debate would be moot. Now that everything is going so well, and the effects of Brexit far clearer, what better time to again take the views of the people. Maybe even have a binding vote. After all, to say that the basis of Leave was unclear at the original advisory vote would be an understatement. Yes, this debate would have raged no matter which view had prevailed with such a minimal mandate. Especially as the younger generation demands its own say. Why wasn't the previous referendum accepted when the nation was asked in 1975? At that time the outcome was overwhelming wasn't it. Why demand this second referendum? And if we can have a second referendum why not a third? Or perhaps you are concerned that you won't get the outcome you desire. Will of the people? That is a real-time logic surely. The Will from two years ago is old news. Things move fast these days.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Nov 18 9.29am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Be a Tax haven? That's regressive I would have thought there would be a post brexit blueprint about where we go and where we see our economy in 1, 5 and 10 years, but there's nothing. Just chaos. And people such as yourself who just hold out hope that everything will be alright on the night Regressive? Depends upon how successful it is.....The EU is ripe for competition as its a lumbering anti competitive mess. As for blueprints aren't you being a bit naive here? You can look at different projections released by different bodies both for and against Brexit. But you are looking at economics and listening to economists you can find the predictions you want to find.....it's like a weather forecast....the further out you go the less predictable it is. Obviously a lot depends upon the government you have and the path they forge....For example, the difference between Foot and Thatcher economically was night and day.
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| Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Really well they will have to get rid of Jeremy before I consider voting Labour. Sadly the Tories don't thrill me either and to make matters worse the Monster Raving Loony Party don't put up a candidate around my way so I am not sure who I will be voting for next time. That's the democracy you hold so dear
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| Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 10.20am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Regressive? Depends upon how successful it is.....The EU is ripe for competition as its a lumbering anti competitive mess. As for blueprints aren't you being a bit naive here? You can look at different projections released by different bodies both for and against Brexit. But you are looking at economics and listening to economists you can find the predictions you want to find.....it's like a weather forecast....the further out you go the less predictable it is. Obviously a lot depends upon the government you have and the path they forge....For example, the difference between Foot and Thatcher economically was night and day.
Countries that are tax havens are usually small nations and principalities that can't compete with bigger countries with large manufacturing, agriculture sectors. I suppose when all those sectors in the UK go to rats*** that could be the only option You really are clutching at straws
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| Stirlingsays 13 Nov 18 10.37am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Countries that are tax havens are usually small nations and principalities that can't compete with bigger countries with large manufacturing, agriculture sectors. I suppose when all those sectors in the UK go to rats*** that could be the only option You really are clutching at straws Well actually due to tax secretly laws some consider countries like the US and Germany as types of tax havens.....We are also a type of tax haven and are listed in some reports. So as usual PP your knowledge on these areas are only half informed. In reality we would just be accelerating and enlarging upon what we already do and making it official.......and on a scale which would significantly concern the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2018 11.00am)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well actually due to tax secretly laws some consider countries like the US and Germany as types of tax havens.....We are also a type of tax haven and are listed in some reports. So has usual PP your knowledge on these areas are only half informed. In reality we would just be accelerating and enlarging upon what we already do and making it official.......and on a scale which would significantly concern the EU. You're hanging your hat on this, not a word about manufacturing or other sectors and how brexit will improve this No doubt you'll make something up about that
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| Stirlingsays 13 Nov 18 10.58am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
You're hanging your hat on this, not a word about manufacturing or other sectors and how brexit will improve this No doubt you'll make something up about that
As I said, a no deal isn't my first choice but if the EU want a 'punishment' Brexit on poor terms then we should hit them where they are weak. Manufacturing would continue and after being hit during an adjustment it would improve due to new trade deals with multiple countries who are just lining up. As I said, a negotiated Brexit is the preferred option.....but I'm not wishing for failure...which seems to be the attitude I'm getting from you. None of us know how Brexit will go.....give it ten years and see where the cards lay.....If the EU is even there then...in its present shakey form.
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