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Painter Croydon 27 Dec 20 7.48pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC After two minutes McArthur was limping. Kouyate is slow anyway, and Luka's running is like a fifty year old with a hangover, and we were totally overran in midfield, unsurprisingly. Villa didn't have to even run that fast to totally catch us out. It was usually at a canter. Riedewald came on and ball watched. Eze and Zaha did not track back. PVA and Ward were appalling. Whenever Ward got the ball his control is so slow that a defender could always close him down. Benteke gave up on about twenty minutes. Our central defence may have been two posts in the ground for all of their manoeuvrability. Guaita is under seige and the only player I don't blame for how crap we are. Ultimately, however, the buck stops at Roy. What are we now? One point from 5 games, having scored what? One goal is it? Everyone needs to wake up here. Roy, does need to go. The only thing that will save us is three of the worst teams ever. Which does look possible. Did you watch the game? Zaha chased Grealish for 60 yards, ending in him putting off his shot in 6 yard box. You dont seem to pay attention to much, its 5 points from the last 5 games, not one point. You missed that Dann cant play in an attacking team, only a packed defense, he hasnt any pace to cover, even the refs run pass him.

Painter

Croydon 27 Dec 20 7.48pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

After two minutes McArthur was limping. Kouyate is slow anyway, and Luka's running is like a fifty year old with a hangover, and we were totally overran in midfield, unsurprisingly. Villa didn't have to even run that fast to totally catch us out. It was usually at a canter.
Riedewald came on and ball watched. Eze and Zaha did not track back. PVA and Ward were appalling. Whenever Ward got the ball his control is so slow that a defender could always close him down. Benteke gave up on about twenty minutes. Our central defence may have been two posts in the ground for all of their manoeuvrability. Guaita is under seige and the only player I don't blame for how crap we are.
Ultimately, however, the buck stops at Roy. What are we now? One point from 5 games, having scored what? One goal is it? Everyone needs to wake up here. Roy, does need to go. The only thing that will save us is three of the worst teams ever. Which does look possible.

Did you watch the game? Zaha chased Grealish for 60 yards, ending in him putting off his shot in 6 yard box.
You dont seem to pay attention to much, its 5 points from the last 5 games, not one point.
You missed that Dann cant play in an attacking team, only a packed defense, he hasnt any pace to cover, even the refs run pass him.

Plaistow Eagle 27 Dec 20 7.49pm
Originally posted by Willo Whilst we have had an awful couple of games and have only won 1 of our last 7 matches, and that at struggling WBA who had 10 men, we are 7 pts clear of the relegation zone so not down there and cut adrift. Hodgson has kept us up for 3 seasons on a relative shoestring so he has credit in the bank.I suspect that the manager's position has not been under consideration. Willo - this is the same WBA side we spanked 5-1 and the same Liverpool side we just got spanked 7-0 by at Home..!! Difference in the intervening period - oh yeah a change of Manager. As I said stats don't lie 2020; P33, W9, D7, L17, GD -24..!! Any Managers position should be under consideration with a run like that..!! What's your suggestion wait until we are in the relegation zone then act - writing is on the wall now Mate. Oh yeah I forgot you've been happily predicting our relegation for the last 8 seasons, so that would probably suit you Mate it's time to act and act now..!! COYP

Plaistow Eagle

27 Dec 20 7.49pm

Originally posted by Willo

Whilst we have had an awful couple of games and have only won 1 of our last 7 matches, and that at struggling WBA who had 10 men, we are 7 pts clear of the relegation zone so not down there and cut adrift.

Hodgson has kept us up for 3 seasons on a relative shoestring so he has credit in the bank.I suspect that the manager's position has not been under consideration.

Willo - this is the same WBA side we spanked 5-1 and the same Liverpool side we just got spanked 7-0 by at Home..!!

Difference in the intervening period - oh yeah a change of Manager.

As I said stats don't lie 2020; P33, W9, D7, L17, GD -24..!!

Any Managers position should be under consideration with a run like that..!!

What's your suggestion wait until we are in the relegation zone then act - writing is on the wall now Mate.

Oh yeah I forgot you've been happily predicting our relegation for the last 8 seasons, so that would probably suit you

Mate it's time to act and act now..!!

COYP

radicalsteve ottawa 27 Dec 20 7.50pm
Suffering is part of the "privilege" of being an Eagles fan - and I've been doing it for decades, but this is one of the most frustrating times! Not going to repeat iterations of the sentiments here, but I would like to know what the Parish plan is regarding the team and coaching staff. I get the sense we are recruiting youth for the future and the new Academy will eventually give us a reliable pipeline of talent. Nevertheless, if you look at the current senior squad, it is not balanced properly to compete mid table and the coaching staff can't put enough lipstick on the pig to make us look any good. We clearly lack cohesion, on the pitch, we are lacking in leadership (Cahill excepted) and we are bereft of any inspired play. A complete rebuild is required from the top down. Big problem is that with Roy around, we have the definition of insanity and if you keep doing what you've always done - you'll get what you've always got! We excel in mediocrity and until we get new coaching management, we just have to keep on suffering ..... Survive this season, fiscal prudence and have a long term strategy starting next summer. No sense in thinking we can change horses mid stream for now, painful as it will be for everyone! Edited by radicalsteve (27 Dec 2020 7.52pm)

radicalsteve

ottawa 27 Dec 20 7.50pm

Suffering is part of the "privilege" of being an Eagles fan - and I've been doing it for decades, but this is one of the most frustrating times! Not going to repeat iterations of the sentiments here, but I would like to know what the Parish plan is regarding the team and coaching staff. I get the sense we are recruiting youth for the future and the new Academy will eventually give us a reliable pipeline of talent. Nevertheless, if you look at the current senior squad, it is not balanced properly to compete mid table and the coaching staff can't put enough lipstick on the pig to make us look any good. We clearly lack cohesion, on the pitch, we are lacking in leadership (Cahill excepted) and we are bereft of any inspired play. A complete rebuild is required from the top down. Big problem is that with Roy around, we have the definition of insanity and if you keep doing what you've always done - you'll get what you've always got! We excel in mediocrity and until we get new coaching management, we just have to keep on suffering ..... Survive this season, fiscal prudence and have a long term strategy starting next summer. No sense in thinking we can change horses mid stream for now, painful as it will be for everyone!

Edited by radicalsteve (27 Dec 2020 7.52pm)

Painter Croydon 27 Dec 20 7.52pm
Originally posted by Willo Whilst we have had an awful couple of games and have only won 1 of our last 7 matches, and that at struggling WBA who had 10 men, we are 7 pts clear of the relegation zone so not down there and cut adrift. Hodgson has kept us up for 3 seasons on a relative shoestring so he has credit in the bank.I suspect that the manager's position has not been under consideration. Brighton have only won once in the last 13 games, do you think Potter will be shown the door. I think he has only won 5 games in 2020, despite their wonderful attacking style, its a results business, as Howe learnt last year.

Painter

Croydon 27 Dec 20 7.52pm

Originally posted by Willo

Hodgson has kept us up for 3 seasons on a relative shoestring so he has credit in the bank.I suspect that the manager's position has not been under consideration.

Brighton have only won once in the last 13 games, do you think Potter will be shown the door. I think he has only won 5 games in 2020, despite their wonderful attacking style, its a results business, as Howe learnt last year.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Dec 20 7.53pm
Originally posted by Painter Did you watch the game? Zaha chased Grealish for 60 yards, ending in him putting off his shot in 6 yard box. You dont seem to pay attention to much, its 5 points from the last 5 games, not one point. You missed that Dann cant play in an attacking team, only a packed defense, he hasnt any pace to cover, even the refs run pass him. f*** me, he tracked back once. None of our players tried hard enough - end of. Anything else? Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Dec 20 7.53pm

Originally posted by Painter

f*** me, he tracked back once. None of our players tried hard enough - end of. Anything else?

Red and Blue Army!

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Dec 20 8.05pm
Originally posted by Painter Brighton have only won once in the last 13 games, do you think Potter will be shown the door. I think he has only won 5 games in 2020, despite their wonderful attacking style, its a results business, as Howe learnt last year. I believe that Potter who had a contract until 2023 has had it extended to 2025.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Dec 20 8.05pm

Originally posted by Painter

I believe that Potter who had a contract until 2023 has had it extended to 2025.

Mathers 27 Dec 20 8.14pm
It’s simple... You can’t sack the entire first team and start again (As much as we’d like to after the last few games). You can sack your manager and almost instantly get a reaction from the same players. The stats show this isn’t a knee jerk reaction but a year of sustained poor results with a squad that should comfortably be sitting mid table but instead always has us looking over our shoulder.

Mathers

27 Dec 20 8.14pm

It’s simple...

You can’t sack the entire first team and start again (As much as we’d like to after the last few games). You can sack your manager and almost instantly get a reaction from the same players.

The stats show this isn’t a knee jerk reaction but a year of sustained poor results with a squad that should comfortably be sitting mid table but instead always has us looking over our shoulder.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Dec 20 8.15pm
Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle Willo - this is the same WBA side we spanked 5-1 and the same Liverpool side we just got spanked 7-0 by at Home..!! Difference in the intervening period - oh yeah a change of Manager. As I said stats don't lie 2020; P33, W9, D7, L17, GD -24..!! Any Managers position should be under consideration with a run like that..!! What's your suggestion wait until we are in the relegation zone then act - writing is on the wall now Mate. Oh yeah I forgot you've been happily predicting our relegation for the last 8 seasons, so that would probably suit you Mate it's time to act and act now..!! COYP I don't believe that I predicted relegation before the start of this season but as the season has progressed I have been increasingly concerned. I have been proved wrong before and been happy to admit so on HOL.I certainly would be a very disappointed and an exceedingly irate 'Hombre' if relegation is our fate at the end of this season.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Dec 20 8.15pm

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Willo - this is the same WBA side we spanked 5-1 and the same Liverpool side we just got spanked 7-0 by at Home..!!

Difference in the intervening period - oh yeah a change of Manager.

As I said stats don't lie 2020; P33, W9, D7, L17, GD -24..!!

Any Managers position should be under consideration with a run like that..!!

What's your suggestion wait until we are in the relegation zone then act - writing is on the wall now Mate.

Oh yeah I forgot you've been happily predicting our relegation for the last 8 seasons, so that would probably suit you

Mate it's time to act and act now..!!

COYP

I don't believe that I predicted relegation before the start of this season but as the season has progressed I have been increasingly concerned.

I have been proved wrong before and been happy to admit so on HOL.I certainly would be a very disappointed and an exceedingly irate 'Hombre' if relegation is our fate at the end of this season.

Plaistow Eagle 27 Dec 20 8.16pm
Originally posted by Mathers It’s simple... You can’t sack the entire first team and start again (As much as we’d like to after the last few games). You can sack your manager and almost instantly get a reaction from the same players. The stats show this isn’t a knee jerk reaction but a year of sustained poor results with a squad that should comfortably be sitting mid table but instead always has us looking over our shoulder. Yep..!!

Plaistow Eagle

27 Dec 20 8.16pm

Originally posted by Mathers

It’s simple...

You can’t sack the entire first team and start again (As much as we’d like to after the last few games). You can sack your manager and almost instantly get a reaction from the same players.

The stats show this isn’t a knee jerk reaction but a year of sustained poor results with a squad that should comfortably be sitting mid table but instead always has us looking over our shoulder.

Yep..!!

acepal Mars 27 Dec 20 8.19pm
When's the penny gonna drop. With Roy you an't gonna win nothing but you wont go down. To Palace that means success. Stair Park Eagle

acepal

Mars 27 Dec 20 8.19pm

When's the penny gonna drop. With Roy you an't gonna win nothing but you wont go down. To Palace that means success.

Stair Park Eagle

AuntyAnne70 Tunbridge WElls 27 Dec 20 8.26pm
Genuine question, would that suffice?

AuntyAnne70

Tunbridge WElls 27 Dec 20 8.26pm

Genuine question, would that suffice?

kev64 Cambs 27 Dec 20 8.32pm
Originally posted by AuntyAnne70 Genuine question, would that suffice? If your the chairman of a bottom half PL club the only aim is to survive. We have zero ambition other than maybe 10th place. How can you motivate players if this is all the club aims for season in season out.

kev64

Cambs 27 Dec 20 8.32pm

Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

Genuine question, would that suffice?

If your the chairman of a bottom half PL club the only aim is to survive. We have zero ambition other than maybe 10th place. How can you motivate players if this is all the club aims for season in season out.

AuntyAnne70 Tunbridge WElls 27 Dec 20 8.38pm
But I think that's what many want. I remember last season, or it may have been the season before that, many on here didn't want an FA Cup run as it may hinder our chances of staying in the premier league. If that really is the case, why are we bothering?

AuntyAnne70

Tunbridge WElls 27 Dec 20 8.38pm

But I think that's what many want.

I remember last season, or it may have been the season before that, many on here didn't want an FA Cup run as it may hinder our chances of staying in the premier league.

If that really is the case, why are we bothering?

Rachid Rachid Rachid 27 Dec 20 9.02pm
Originally posted by kev64 If your the chairman of a bottom half PL club the only aim is to survive. We have zero ambition other than maybe 10th place. How can you motivate players if this is all the club aims for season in season out. Money. One of the biggest problems we have at moment is how many of them are of advanced years, have contracts running out at the end of the season and may have their minds elsewhere.

Rachid Rachid Rachid

27 Dec 20 9.02pm

Originally posted by kev64

Money. One of the biggest problems we have at moment is how many of them are of advanced years, have contracts running out at the end of the season and may have their minds elsewhere.

pompeyeagle Relocated to Shropshire 27 Dec 20 9.15pm
Some of these posts from people who think we won’t go down because Roy is our manager and that he won’t be replaced no matter what astound me. You people must be living in some sort of fantasy land. We lost 3-0 to a team with ten men following a 7-0 defeat. Another loss is almost certain against Leicester and then we have a must win against Sheffield United. What do you think will happen if we lose that game?

pompeyeagle

Relocated to Shropshire 27 Dec 20 9.15pm

Some of these posts from people who think we won’t go down because Roy is our manager and that he won’t be replaced no matter what astound me. You people must be living in some sort of fantasy land. We lost 3-0 to a team with ten men following a 7-0 defeat. Another loss is almost certain against Leicester and then we have a must win against Sheffield United. What do you think will happen if we lose that game?

Rachid Rachid Rachid 27 Dec 20 9.24pm
I think there's every chance we could be drawn into the relegation dogfight with Roy and if things don't pick up in the next two to three games then we would need to look at a change. However, that would be in hope of a reaction or bounce rather than any great confidence that another manager would do a lot better with the group of players we have.

Rachid Rachid Rachid

27 Dec 20 9.24pm

I think there's every chance we could be drawn into the relegation dogfight with Roy and if things don't pick up in the next two to three games then we would need to look at a change.

However, that would be in hope of a reaction or bounce rather than any great confidence that another manager would do a lot better with the group of players we have.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Dec 20 9.42pm
Originally posted by pompeyeagle Some of these posts from people who think we won’t go down because Roy is our manager and that he won’t be replaced no matter what astound me. You people must be living in some sort of fantasy land. We lost 3-0 to a team with ten men following a 7-0 defeat. Another loss is almost certain against Leicester and then we have a must win against Sheffield United. What do you think will happen if we lose that game? We still won't be in the relegation zone if we lose both matches and there would be over 20 games in the season left to play so I don't believe a change will be made in such circumstances. Edited by Willo (27 Dec 2020 9.44pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Dec 20 9.42pm

Originally posted by pompeyeagle

Some of these posts from people who think we won’t go down because Roy is our manager and that he won’t be replaced no matter what astound me. You people must be living in some sort of fantasy land. We lost 3-0 to a team with ten men following a 7-0 defeat. Another loss is almost certain against Leicester and then we have a must win against Sheffield United. What do you think will happen if we lose that game?

We still won't be in the relegation zone if we lose both matches and there would be over 20 games in the season left to play so I don't believe a change will be made in such circumstances.

Edited by Willo (27 Dec 2020 9.44pm)

southnorwoodhill 27 Dec 20 9.49pm
Originally posted by Willo We still won't be in the relegation zone if we lose both matches and there would be over 20 games in the season left to play so I don't believe a change will be made in such circumstances. Edited by Willo (27 Dec 2020 9.44pm) 20 games for the new manager to make his mark

southnorwoodhill

27 Dec 20 9.49pm

Originally posted by Willo

We still won't be in the relegation zone if we lose both matches and there would be over 20 games in the season left to play so I don't believe a change will be made in such circumstances.

Edited by Willo (27 Dec 2020 9.44pm)

20 games for the new manager to make his mark

babylonjohn St Leonards-on-Sea 27 Dec 20 10.07pm
Originally posted by dreamwaverider Very good post. I don’t think any of us know what on earth is going on between the American shareholders and the rest, but it is not great for sure. Do they have any representation at any of our games? Totally agree with all your comments. Poor old Roy. Can’t be easy at 74 trying to motivate a whole load of high octane overpaid young bucks. On bad days the gap just seems more pronounced. It’s almost like Roy can’t find solutions to growing problems. They must be there. Don’t kid yourselves we haven’t got the quality. Maybe thats the problem. They are all "young bucks" compared to him. The age and fitness of our squad was painfully obvious v villa. Macca looked knackered, Luca was sweating like a rapist and PVA thinks hes an attacker and keeps drifting. Im all for getting the ball forward via Eze and attacking in numbers but when we lose the ball there are too many spaces and we are open to the counter.

babylonjohn

St Leonards-on-Sea 27 Dec 20 10.07pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Very good post. I don’t think any of us know what on earth is going on between the American shareholders and the rest, but it is not great for sure. Do they have any representation at any of our games? Totally agree with all your comments. Poor old Roy. Can’t be easy at 74 trying to motivate a whole load of high octane overpaid young bucks. On bad days the gap just seems more pronounced. It’s almost like Roy can’t find solutions to growing problems. They must be there. Don’t kid yourselves we haven’t got the quality.

Maybe thats the problem. They are all "young bucks" compared to him. The age and fitness of our squad was painfully obvious v villa. Macca looked knackered, Luca was sweating like a rapist and PVA thinks hes an attacker and keeps drifting. Im all for getting the ball forward via Eze and attacking in numbers but when we lose the ball there are too many spaces and we are open to the counter.

Vaibow vancouver/croydon 27 Dec 20 10.25pm
It's very simple. Look at it logically. A chap in his 70's, is not going to be the same guy in his prime. To assume the players looks at Roy in his 70's compared to say Roy in his 50's the same, is crazy. There are exceptions, of course. Even Sir Alex knew when to step aside at 71. We rely too much on Zaha - should have cashed in last summer, invested in two replacement players. We need a manager with a 3 year plan and a budget that works accordingly. I said before, from Roy, to parish to PVA the whole attitude and mindset is wrong. Parish is looking at it as a business. Roy is now a yes man. Players are just accepting a wage each week. The manager should be demanding more from the chairman, the chairman should excited by the manager and the players should be performing for the fans each week. This isn't happening. Roy needs to go now. A new manager needs to come in and see out the season, assessing who he has available, who he needs and who he doesn't need. The chairman has to back him on this project and allow the summer coming up to be that change, with at least 4 new signings. That January, amend where needed, the following summer, the last of the big moves and then look forward. Our goal each season should be to achieve premier status in record time. IE when we are mathematically safe and to enjoy a cup run. That's the positive way of saying survive a relegation scrap. We don't want top 5, we just want a team that want top 5. This was once a quality forum....

Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 27 Dec 20 10.25pm

It's very simple.

Look at it logically.

A chap in his 70's, is not going to be the same guy in his prime.

To assume the players looks at Roy in his 70's compared to say Roy in his 50's the same, is crazy.

There are exceptions, of course. Even Sir Alex knew when to step aside at 71.

We rely too much on Zaha - should have cashed in last summer, invested in two replacement players.

We need a manager with a 3 year plan and a budget that works accordingly.

I said before, from Roy, to parish to PVA the whole attitude and mindset is wrong.

Parish is looking at it as a business.

Roy is now a yes man.

Players are just accepting a wage each week.

The manager should be demanding more from the chairman, the chairman should excited by the manager and the players should be performing for the fans each week.

This isn't happening.

Roy needs to go now.

A new manager needs to come in and see out the season, assessing who he has available, who he needs and who he doesn't need. The chairman has to back him on this project and allow the summer coming up to be that change, with at least 4 new signings. That January, amend where needed, the following summer, the last of the big moves and then look forward.

Our goal each season should be to achieve premier status in record time. IE when we are mathematically safe and to enjoy a cup run.

That's the positive way of saying survive a relegation scrap.

We don't want top 5, we just want a team that want top 5.

This was once a quality forum....

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