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 Midlands Eagle  29 Nov 19 10.43am |
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Originally posted by DanH
He’s literally just refused on LBC to answer a question about how many children he has. The coward. What is the relevance?
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| Midlands Eagle 29 Nov 19 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nothing to be gained by allowing yourself to be stitched by the lefty brigade that runs Channel 4. What is the point wasting an evening in a single issue debate on a channel that no-one watches anyway
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 29 Nov 19 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Willo
In actual fact the Conservatives were willing to send Michael Gove to participate but C4 asserted that it was for leaders only, in fact he went to the studios but was refused participation in the debate.To "Empty chair" was a political stunt.Shame on C4. Edited by Willo (29 Nov 2019 8.43am) The only political stunt was Gove turning up knowing full well he would never be allowed on a leaders debate.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 29 Nov 19 10.58am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nothing to be gained by allowing yourself to be stitched by the lefty brigade that runs Channel 4. You know this of course, but you obviously enjoy punctuating these threads with your occasional disingenuous twaddle. Do you think Corbyn was stitched up by Neil in the BBC interview? Is being asked difficult questions about questionable things you’ve said and done a stitch up? Or is that just an interviewer doing ther job and a politician allowing himself to be scrutinised? You also claimed Boris was ‘stitched up’ by the BBC during their debate. Boris is a coward.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 29 Nov 19 11.01am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
What is the point wasting an evening in a single issue debate on a channel that no-one watches anyway How have we reached a point where a public platform for a politician to speak and try and win votes is something to avoid and a waste of an evening? Especially speaking on something which is probably the 2nd biggest issue for the electorate in this election. Viewing figures would’ve been well into the millions, I’m sure.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 19 11.15am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Do you think Corbyn was stitched up by Neil in the BBC interview? Is being asked difficult questions about questionable things you’ve said and done a stitch up? Or is that just an interviewer doing ther job and a politician allowing himself to be scrutinised? You also claimed Boris was ‘stitched up’ by the BBC during their debate. Boris is a coward.
It's much easier to do these question shows when you are not in government because you can just make promises. You have no recent record of governing to be scrutinised. Boris is wise.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 11.17am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
How have we reached a point where a public platform for a politician to speak and try and win votes is something to avoid and a waste of an evening? Especially speaking on something which is probably the 2nd biggest issue for the electorate in this election. Viewing figures would’ve been well into the millions, I’m sure. Mmmmm....but those millions would have been lefties. I imagine very few non left types watch Channel 4's political programming. Johnson only needs to concentrate on his base and the normies......and for the normies he just needs to crack a few jokes.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 11.19am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Oh, easily.
Fair enough. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 11.20am)
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 29 Nov 19 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Could you be mnre childish at this point? In fairness, it should always be open season on activists or indoctrinated sycophants, from any party. Absolute zombies.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 29 Nov 19 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mmmmm....but those millions would have been lefties. I imagine very few non left types watch Channel 4's political programming. Johnson only needs to concentrate on his base and the normies......and for the normies he just needs to crack a few jokes. Depressing but true.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 29 Nov 19 11.30am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's much easier to do these question shows when you are not in government because you can just make promises. You have no recent record of governing to be scrutinised. Boris is wise. Boris is most definitely not wise. He's evasive and slippery – much like his puppet master. That said, I'd probably be doing the same as him to reduce the possibility of losing support by entering into a fair fight. Gamesmanship, calculated cowardice and general shirking – not very honourable but certainly tactically astute.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 11.48am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
In fairness, it should always be open season on activists or indoctrinated sycophants, from any party. Absolute zombies. I'm enjoying your move off the fence.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 11.52am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Boris is most definitely not wise. He's evasive and slippery – much like his puppet master. That said, I'd probably be doing the same as him to reduce the possibility of losing support by entering into a fair fight. Gamesmanship, calculated cowardice and general shirking – not very honourable but certainly tactically astute. Principles are for those who can afford a conscience and can afford to lose. Cummings plays dirty because the system is dirty....when you read his stuff you get the impression of a cynic who would agree with you. Fairness doesn't win....Nothing in the world is fair....and often when you are fair you are eventually taken advantage of and demonised. The Greeks wanted a peace treaty with the Romans....they wanted to play by a rulebook with battles and prisoners.....The Romans didn't and the Romans won.....The unfortunate reality in life is that the most committed....the one most prepared to bite and scratch ends up winning most of the time. They then get to write the history of it. There's this illogical idea in the west that 'doing what's right' will always end up with better outcomes....it's almost a religious belief....it isn't grounded in nature.
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| Deleted11 29 Nov 19 12.02pm | |
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The BBC telling Labour that Boris would be on with Andrew Neil and it not happening. Typical BBC right wing bias.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 12.05pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
The BBC telling Labour that Boris would be on with Andrew Neil and it not happening. Typical BBC right wing bias.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 29 Nov 19 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Principles are for those who can afford a conscience and can afford to lose. Cummings plays dirty because the system is dirty....when you read his stuff you get the impression of a cynic who would agree with you. Fairness doesn't win....Nothing in the world is fair....and often when you are fair you are eventually taken advantage of and demonised. The Greeks wanted a peace treaty with the Romans....they wanted to play by a rulebook with battles and prisoners.....The Romans didn't and the Romans won.....The unfortunate reality in life is that the most committed....the one most prepared to bite and scratch ends up winning. There's this illogical idea in the west that 'doing what's right' will always end up with better outcomes....it's almost a religious belief....it isn't grounded in nature. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 12.03pm) Yep. The trick is to do as much as you can to do the right thing in life, whilst knowing when you need to bend the rules, but always doing so with a slight feeling of unease that keeps you honest. When that feeling disappears, you know you're in trouble.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Yep. The trick is to do as much as you can to do the right thing in life, whilst knowing when you need to bend the rules, but always doing so with a slight feeling of unease that keeps you honest. When that feeling disappears, you know you're in trouble.
I kind of noticed things weren't going too well. When I grew up and became more cynical that changed....However, that philosophy is how I'd like the world to work....However its pursuit leads to ruin. In reality you play fair when you can afford to lose. The common sense lies in knowing what's important and what isn't. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 12.25pm)
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| Deleted11 29 Nov 19 12.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
A sarcastic red pill?.....I'll take it and ignore the intent. Me. Sarcastic. You have the wrong man Sir. As always though, this is a symptom of a larger problem. I am sure both sides will find bias in all media, but the lady at the end, on QT, summed it up quite perfectly, which is that the media is controlled by a handful of people and to think they are not imposing their views on the rest of the country is quite absurd. I made a point earlier that about 80% of newspapers were right wing, which I had a lot of 'feedback' on. I still stand by that, because I base it on papers 'sold' not quantity of papers that are left or right, e.g. the top circulated papers are The Sun, DM, Times, Mirror, Evening Standard, Daily Express and Daily Star. For example the 3 biggest media corporations are owed by 3-5 people, which has about 85% of the newspaper market - Sun, DM and Mirror. That does not sound healthy in any way. So, my initial statement on the BBC being bias just because they haven't managed to get Boris in is silly, however, I could make the argument that they lean right just by the fact of having their head of politics ending up being a Conservative party advisor. Sir Robbie Gibb. Now, you can argue that he may have been professional, but, the argument always comes back to equality. If Boris was made to look like an idiot by Neil and Corbyn didn't turn up, it is a fact that a lot on here would be up in arms.
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| chris123 hove actually 29 Nov 19 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I kind of noticed things weren't going too well. When I grew up and became more cynical that changed....However, that philosophy is how I'd like the world to work....However its pursuit leads to ruin. In reality you play fair when you can afford to lose. The common sense lies in knowing what's important and what isn't. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 12.25pm) Maybe politics and life follow different rules, compromise on a political point and half the country thinks you're a liar. On a personal level, aiming to do what's right seems a good credo.
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