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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Aug 19 2.09pm

Originally posted by Lucretius


So what if we all end up mixed race? What's the big deal?

I don't know if it's quite as easy as suddenly ending up mixed race. There would have to be choices made along the way.
For instance, do immigrant populations in the UK largely mix with the indigenous UK population? In some cases yes. In other cases there are whole communities not mixing at all - in fact I believe these to far outnumber the people who do genuinely make an effort to mix.
Perhaps I'm wrong but it seems that way to me.
I'm quite a mixture myself, one has to suspect that many in Britain are whether they value it/ know it or not. However, no matter what I consider myself English, even though that does mean I am constantly berated in Ireland. I will support Ireland in general but not against England.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Aug 19 2.20pm

Originally posted by Lucretius

hmm... this is pretty textbook white supremacy. White supremacists fear their identity is under attack. They have a paranoid sense of annihilation which they look to blame some minority group for.

This is very different to identity politics. Identity politics is about minority groups wanting to live with dignity - it's not about the preservation of their identity, it's about trying to overcome the hatred they endure because of their identity.

Everything you wrote here is a croc of crap. White supremacy is an anti white term.

Identity politics for non whites but when it's whites you describe it as 'white supremacy'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Aug 2019 2.23pm)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Aug 19 2.58pm

Originally posted by Lucretius

hmm... this is pretty textbook white supremacy. White supremacists fear their identity is under attack. They have a paranoid sense of annihilation which they look to blame some minority group for.

This is very different to identity politics. Identity politics is about minority groups wanting to live with dignity - it's not about the preservation of their identity, it's about trying to overcome the hatred they endure because of their identity.

The word supremacist relates to superiority. It has nothing to do with anything else.
The term White supremacist could only accurately be used to describe a very small number of Nazi type fanatics who believe that they are superior to others by some god given right or in some other non measurable way.

The term is one of many used by politically motivated organizations to imply a certain stereotype along with words like Islamophobia, Little Englander Gammon etc.

 
Stirlingsays Flag 06 Aug 19 3.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The word supremacist relates to superiority. It has nothing to do with anything else.
The term White supremacist could only accurately be used to describe a very small number of Nazi type fanatics who believe that they are superior to others by some god given right or in some other non measurable way.

The term is one of many used by politically motivated organizations to imply a certain stereotype along with words like Islamophobia, Little Englander Gammon etc.

Seconded.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Aug 19 3.20pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you seriously believe that the UN do not understand these things better than you?

Like long range weather forecasts they have got a great deal better in recent times.

Immigrant birth rates are higher now but will reduce and then match our current levels over a relatively short time. There is plenty of past experiences to indicate that is a very confident prediction. It's also common sense.

Firstly, you don't know who I am and more importantly, the science of predicting population growth is limited by many variables.
To be honest, we are still talking about a projection of around 11 billion by 2011 based on UN estimates with the population still climbing beyond that. Even if we do not reach the higher end of the possible growth rate ie 15 to 20 billion, it is still an enormous increase before population might level out.
What is more significant for Europe is our declining population set against the huge increases in Asian and African population. Whatever you say, that can only mean the absorption of the northern European race and a big fall in living standards for Westerners unless we adopt a more isolationist policy.

I really don't care if you accept that or not.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Aug 2019 3.24pm)

 
Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 19 4.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Firstly, you don't know who I am and more importantly, the science of predicting population growth is limited by many variables.
To be honest, we are still talking about a projection of around 11 billion by 2011 based on UN estimates with the population still climbing beyond that. Even if we do not reach the higher end of the possible growth rate ie 15 to 20 billion, it is still an enormous increase before population might level out.
What is more significant for Europe is our declining population set against the huge increases in Asian and African population. Whatever you say, that can only mean the absorption of the northern European race and a big fall in living standards for Westerners unless we adopt a more isolationist policy.

I really don't care if you accept that or not.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Aug 2019 3.24pm)

That's not what it said at all. The forecast was for a marked slow down between 2050 and 2100 with it peaking then and stabilising. No responsible forecast has ever indicated a growth rate that would take us towards 20 billion. The current level is 7.7 billion. The forecast is 9.7 by 2050 and around 11 billion by 2100. These are big numbers, but manageable with planning and the use of technology and science. There is just no need to panic.

The movement of people is an entirely separate subject. It is though completely wrong to assume that just because the genetic make up of our fellow citizens will continue to change, just as it always has, that means there is some kind of threat to us by way of decreased living standards. Everyone wants high living standards, including any new arrivals, and it's them whose standards will be raised and not ours diminished. We just need to make sure that new arrivals are welcomed and integrated, just as we have done with previous waves.

Challenges are there to be faced and overcome. They are not overcome by sitting at a keyboard complaining about how awful things are going to be. We will only be defeated if we surrender our well earned reputation for tolerance, good humour and kindness. Other nations respect that and we should be flattered when people want to join us. Make them welcome and train them to be like us and before long even people like you will wonder what all the fuss was about.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Aug 19 4.41pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's not what it said at all. The forecast was for a marked slow down between 2050 and 2100 with it peaking then and stabilising. No responsible forecast has ever indicated a growth rate that would take us towards 20 billion. The current level is 7.7 billion. The forecast is 9.7 by 2050 and around 11 billion by 2100. These are big numbers, but manageable with planning and the use of technology and science. There is just no need to panic.

The movement of people is an entirely separate subject. It is though completely wrong to assume that just because the genetic make up of our fellow citizens will continue to change, just as it always has, that means there is some kind of threat to us by way of decreased living standards. Everyone wants high living standards, including any new arrivals, and it's them whose standards will be raised and not ours diminished. We just need to make sure that new arrivals are welcomed and integrated, just as we have done with previous waves.

Challenges are there to be faced and overcome. They are not overcome by sitting at a keyboard complaining about how awful things are going to be. We will only be defeated if we surrender our well earned reputation for tolerance, good humour and kindness. Other nations respect that and we should be flattered when people want to join us. Make them welcome and train them to be like us and before long even people like you will wonder what all the fuss was about.

So diversity is good provided everyone is the same.

 
Stirlingsays Flag 06 Aug 19 4.47pm

Direct all the immigration into Cornwall.

Watch the house prices dive and all those hypocrites move out.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Aug 19 5.15pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So diversity is good provided everyone is the same.

That makes no sense!

The diversity of people tends to mitigate over generations. Groups may retain some elements of their original cultural identities when celebrating special occasions but assume much of the mainstream at other times.

By the way, the Cornish are a great example of how to successfully manage immigration.

Not only do they see a huge influx of temporary immigrants from all over the world at this time of year, (I have 2 Australians staying with me right now) but they have welcomed hundreds of thousands of English people like me with open arms and friendship to come and live here. They are still Cornish, and have many local customs, and support Wales in Rugby games, but there's no reluctance at all to see us all here. The house prices are higher here because of the immigrants.

I suspect therefore it isn't immigration which bothers so many posting here. It's a certain type of immigrant.

 

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Aug 19 5.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That makes no sense!

The diversity of people tends to mitigate over generations. Groups may retain some elements of their original cultural identities when celebrating special occasions but assume much of the mainstream at other times.

By the way, the Cornish are a great example of how to successfully manage immigration.

Not only do they see a huge influx of temporary immigrants from all over the world at this time of year, (I have 2 Australians staying with me right now) but they have welcomed hundreds of thousands of English people like me with open arms and friendship to come and live here. They are still Cornish, and have many local customs, and support Wales in Rugby games, but there's no reluctance at all to see us all here. The house prices are higher here because of the immigrants.

I suspect therefore it isn't immigration which bothers so many posting here. It's a certain type of immigrant.

You’re the person who said we need to train them to be like us. If they’re like us they’re not very diverse are they?

 
cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Aug 19 5.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's not what it said at all. The forecast was for a marked slow down between 2050 and 2100 with it peaking then and stabilising. No responsible forecast has ever indicated a growth rate that would take us towards 20 billion. The current level is 7.7 billion. The forecast is 9.7 by 2050 and around 11 billion by 2100. These are big numbers, but manageable with planning and the use of technology and science. There is just no need to panic.

The movement of people is an entirely separate subject. It is though completely wrong to assume that just because the genetic make up of our fellow citizens will continue to change, just as it always has, that means there is some kind of threat to us by way of decreased living standards. Everyone wants high living standards, including any new arrivals, and it's them whose standards will be raised and not ours diminished. We just need to make sure that new arrivals are welcomed and integrated, just as we have done with previous waves.

Challenges are there to be faced and overcome. They are not overcome by sitting at a keyboard complaining about how awful things are going to be. We will only be defeated if we surrender our well earned reputation for tolerance, good humour and kindness. Other nations respect that and we should be flattered when people want to join us. Make them welcome and train them to be like us and before long even people like you will wonder what all the fuss was about.

'Train them to be like us'
Very good bone but not for me to bite on you old wind up

 
Stirlingsays Flag 06 Aug 19 5.28pm

At the 2011 census the demographics of Cornwall was shown to be 95.7% white.

This guy speaks the biggest load of BS I've ever witnessed.

All immigration needs to be directed into Cornwall.....not the filtered visitors to B&Bs.

Watch the house prices dive and all the hypocrites move out.

Build the new housing and all the new infrastructure required for all the new immigrants coming in Cornwall.....let those who speak of 'challenges' for others be the people who deal with those 'challenges'.

A principle isn't a principle until it costs you.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Aug 2019 5.33pm)

 

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dreamwaverider Flag London 06 Aug 19 5.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's not what it said at all. The forecast was for a marked slow down between 2050 and 2100 with it peaking then and stabilising. No responsible forecast has ever indicated a growth rate that would take us towards 20 billion. The current level is 7.7 billion. The forecast is 9.7 by 2050 and around 11 billion by 2100. These are big numbers, but manageable with planning and the use of technology and science. There is just no need to panic.

The movement of people is an entirely separate subject. It is though completely wrong to assume that just because the genetic make up of our fellow citizens will continue to change, just as it always has, that means there is some kind of threat to us by way of decreased living standards. Everyone wants high living standards, including any new arrivals, and it's them whose standards will be raised and not ours diminished. We just need to make sure that new arrivals are welcomed and integrated, just as we have done with previous waves.

Challenges are there to be faced and overcome. They are not overcome by sitting at a keyboard complaining about how awful things are going to be. We will only be defeated if we surrender our well earned reputation for tolerance, good humour and kindness. Other nations respect that and we should be flattered when people want to join us. Make them welcome and train them to be like us and before long even people like you will wonder what all the fuss was about.

Wisbech you are dreaming of some kind of Utopia moving forward. If the world does reach 11 billion by 2100 and it is structured roughly the same as today then it will be a very different place.
Boil it down to your own home. IF for instance you live in a house with 3 other people, imagine the difference if there are 6 other people. Cramped right??
That will be the world with 11 billion. My view is that numbers will drop in the second half of this century when nature will intervene to significantly reduce the numbers of mankind who by then will have done enough to seriously upset nature in its capacity as current main tenant of this planet.
There are various possibilities of reduction one of which will almost certainly cull huge numbers of mankind. War, virus or just natural disaster or something else that none of us have even considered.
The world is heading for many changes in the not too distant future (say half a century) in my view.

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Aug 19 7.42pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's not what it said at all. The forecast was for a marked slow down between 2050 and 2100 with it peaking then and stabilising. No responsible forecast has ever indicated a growth rate that would take us towards 20 billion. The current level is 7.7 billion. The forecast is 9.7 by 2050 and around 11 billion by 2100. These are big numbers, but manageable with planning and the use of technology and science. There is just no need to panic.

The movement of people is an entirely separate subject. It is though completely wrong to assume that just because the genetic make up of our fellow citizens will continue to change, just as it always has, that means there is some kind of threat to us by way of decreased living standards. Everyone wants high living standards, including any new arrivals, and it's them whose standards will be raised and not ours diminished. We just need to make sure that new arrivals are welcomed and integrated, just as we have done with previous waves.

Challenges are there to be faced and overcome. They are not overcome by sitting at a keyboard complaining about how awful things are going to be. We will only be defeated if we surrender our well earned reputation for tolerance, good humour and kindness. Other nations respect that and we should be flattered when people want to join us. Make them welcome and train them to be like us and before long even people like you will wonder what all the fuss was about.

I never suggested that one was the consequence of the other. Are you paying attention?

The reduction of living standards will occur through numbers. The world struggles to feed itself now and the only way to address that is to share resources more equally particularly when world food and water production and supply is at maximum. That has to mean a reduction of living standards in the West.
The race issue is about whether you are happy or indifferent about your genetic lineage being absorbed or if you think it is worth preserving. That is for the individual to decide. Many cultures wish to preserve their genetic heritage by not marrying into other cultures or races. it is not uncommon.

Why should Europeans be any less protective if they choose to be?

 
Beanyboysmd Flag 06 Aug 19 8.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I never suggested that one was the consequence of the other. Are you paying attention?

The reduction of living standards will occur through numbers. The world struggles to feed itself now and the only way to address that is to share resources more equally particularly when world food and water production and supply is at maximum. That has to mean a reduction of living standards in the West.
The race issue is about whether you are happy or indifferent about your genetic lineage being absorbed or if you think it is worth preserving. That is for the individual to decide. Many cultures wish to preserve their genetic heritage by not marrying into other cultures or races. it is not uncommon.

Why should Europeans be any less protective if they choose to be?

"Many cultures wish to preserve their genetic heritage..."
You do not speak on behalf of British people. A majority don't mind and an equal number to yours actively encourage it. Even on your own side, most can't agree on what they think "Genetic heritage" is. Is it skin colour? Is it the good old "Love of the queen"? Is it "Britain and the commonwealth countries"? Before the Anglo-saxons got involved? Roman?
I strongly suspect that "Genetic heritage" is a dog-whistle but I'm going to assume it isn't. You need to give us a strong definition on what genetic heritage is, because as it stands, almost nobody in this country agrees with you and you are in danger of sharing a platform with some truly awful people...

...and if its down to skin colour, ironically you would really be in a minority

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Aug 19 8.25pm

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

"Many cultures wish to preserve their genetic heritage..."
You do not speak on behalf of British people. A majority don't mind and an equal number to yours actively encourage it. Even on your own side, most can't agree on what they think "Genetic heritage" is. Is it skin colour? Is it the good old "Love of the queen"? Is it "Britain and the commonwealth countries"? Before the Anglo-saxons got involved? Roman?
I strongly suspect that "Genetic heritage" is a dog-whistle but I'm going to assume it isn't. You need to give us a strong definition on what genetic heritage is, because as it stands, almost nobody in this country agrees with you and you are in danger of sharing a platform with some truly awful people...

...and if its down to skin colour, ironically you would really be in a minority

To sum up, you think that wishing to preserve your own 'race' is racist?

I can't be bothered to respond to your post in detail because it is so full of nonsense that it would take all night.

 
Lucretius Flag 06 Aug 19 8.36pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


The word supremacist relates to superiority. It has nothing to do with anything else.
The term White supremacist could only accurately be used to describe a very small number of Nazi type fanatics who believe that they are superior to others by some god given right or in some other non measurable way.

Maybe we're just quibbling over semantics. 'White supremacist' does certainly have connotations of superiority, but it is also used to apply to those who feel the 'white race' is facing an existential threat. Though the two groups overlap perhaps we just need a new word for the latter group, such as, 'white militant'.

 
Lucretius Flag 06 Aug 19 8.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Everything you wrote here is a croc of crap. White supremacy is an anti white term.

Identity politics for non whites but when it's whites you describe it as 'white supremacy'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Aug 2019 2.23pm)

I'd say 'white supremacy' is more of an anti-terrorist term. It's a label attached to those who support, engage in or are predisposed to political violence. To hate white supremacy is to hate political violence.

I mean, it's obviously the case that white people are the majority group in this country and so face nothing like the same levels of discrimination that ethnic minorities face. How could there be a civil rights movement for the group possessing the power?

 
Lucretius Flag 06 Aug 19 8.45pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

To sum up, you think that wishing to preserve your own 'race' is racist?

I can't be bothered to respond to your post in detail because it is so full of nonsense that it would take all night.


From a scientific perspective, there really is no such thing as race. Genetically, a random Kenyan and a random Nigerian are likely to have more in common with an Irishman than they are with each other, such is the genetic diversity within Africa.

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Aug 19 9.15pm

Originally posted by Lucretius


From a scientific perspective, there really is no such thing as race. Genetically, a random Kenyan and a random Nigerian are likely to have more in common with an Irishman than they are with each other, such is the genetic diversity within Africa.

I am well aware of that thanks.

We use the term as an easy reference.

Try telling a Black man he isn't Black.

Do you think African or Chinese people would like to 'disappear?

Do you think that American Indians are dead chuffed to have been wiped out?

A better comparison would be Neanderthals. I bet they would be really pleased to know that their genes sill exist in little pieces in many of us.

 
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