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SavoyTruffle Flag 24 Sep 19 10.44pm

‘16 year old Greta Thunberg is too young to make up her own mind and being exploited’ scream the exact same people who said that 15 year old Shamima Begum knew exactly what she was doing and should be treated as an adult...

At this point if you don’t believe that climate change is a very threat to the way we continue to live you have not been paying attention. A lot of people on this forum aren’t big fans of immigration but once countries like Bangladesh start flooding those people are going to have to go somewhere. Why not support political action now to avoid all those people being displaced?

 
Stirlingsays Flag 24 Sep 19 10.55pm

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

‘16 year old Greta Thunberg is too young to make up her own mind and being exploited’ scream the exact same people who said that 15 year old Shamima Begum knew exactly what she was doing and should be treated as an adult...

At this point if you don’t believe that climate change is a very threat to the way we continue to live you have not been paying attention. A lot of people on this forum aren’t big fans of immigration but once countries like Bangladesh start flooding those people are going to have to go somewhere. Why not support political action now to avoid all those people being displaced?

Have you really thought that through?

Immigration from Bangladesh or indeed any other relatively poor country is going to happen anyway. Indeed as development and help increases their living standards then at a set point a higher percentage of 'bangladeshes' will be able to afford the trip to Europe to earn more.

Work on climate change now isn't going to seriously affect anything in the environment for decades anyway.....it would be nothing but slowing down the rate of increase for a long time.

As climate change worsens it's going to affect the poorest who can't move so easily.....So the poorest won't be affording Europe anyway and would be moving within their own continent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2019 10.58pm)

 

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SavoyTruffle Flag 24 Sep 19 11.23pm

So because we aren’t going to see the benefits for a long time we shouldn’t start now? The major cathedrals of Europe often took centuries to complete. Set the wheel in motion now so future generations can feel the benefit.

And as those places within their continent fill up, the next rung up the economic ladder will move to less densely populated areas / areas with more opportunities and so forth. If we can do something to encourage people to stay where they are I say go for it.

Additionally as we decrease our dependancy on gas / oil, we become less reliant on fossil fuels from the Middle East, which means the profit margins for Western intervention wars decrease, which means less migration as people can stay in their homes as they aren’t reduced to rubble. Win, win as far as I see it.

Edited by SavoyTruffle (24 Sep 2019 11.24pm)

 
Matov Flag 24 Sep 19 11.27pm

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

‘16 year old Greta Thunberg is too young to make up her own mind and being exploited’ scream the exact same people who said that 15 year old Shamima Begum knew exactly what she was doing and should be treated as an adult...


To be fair, that is a valid observation. Personally I think this Swedish girl is being exploited with the same justification as I have used for why Shamima Begum should be deemed as the UK's responsibility because she was also a child when she was groomed by adults seeking to exploit her naivety and use her to promote their sick cause.


 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 24 Sep 19 11.42pm

just saw Greta speech on the telly.

right , that's it.

i am :

-buying a guzzler 4x4 car.
- stopping recycling
- living on mcdonalds cheese burgers
- dropping all my unwanted plastics into the sea
- using an old fashioned spray deodorant.


fv.ck it.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 25 Sep 19 12.06am

Originally posted by martin2412

If this supposed global warming is being created by people, then we need to reduce the number of people in the world.

About time for WWIII anyone ?

Can we own France after the next world war. Something in it for us next time.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Sep 19 1.40am

Greta: 'something, something, how dare you!...you crushed my bag of fudge!' (tear)
Greta: 'something, something, you ate my KFC and then licked your fingers!' (scowl)
Greta: 'something, something, I will not forgive you....I'm going to scream and scream until I'm sick!' (yuk, yuk, scream)


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2019 2.15am)

 

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Invalid user 2019 Flag 25 Sep 19 3.37am

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

So because we aren’t going to see the benefits for a long time we shouldn’t start now? The major cathedrals of Europe often took centuries to complete. Set the wheel in motion now so future generations can feel the benefit.

And as those places within their continent fill up, the next rung up the economic ladder will move to less densely populated areas / areas with more opportunities and so forth. If we can do something to encourage people to stay where they are I say go for it.

Additionally as we decrease our dependancy on gas / oil, we become less reliant on fossil fuels from the Middle East, which means the profit margins for Western intervention wars decrease, which means less migration as people can stay in their homes as they aren’t reduced to rubble. Win, win as far as I see it.

Edited by SavoyTruffle (24 Sep 2019 11.24pm)

If someone feels that climate change is going to devastate others before them, their sense of urgency will be proportionate to how they feel about those people.


Edited by dollardays (25 Sep 2019 4.57am)

 
Invalid user 2019 Flag 25 Sep 19 4.06am

Originally posted by Matov


To be fair, that is a valid observation. Personally I think this Swedish girl is being exploited with the same justification as I have used for why Shamima Begum should be deemed as the UK's responsibility because she was also a child when she was groomed by adults seeking to exploit her naivety and use her to promote their sick cause.


With some elements on the right, she's treated this way because she's differently brained. It's clear from the language used ('has many mental illnesses' etc) that's behind a lot of it. And with elements of the left the same attribute instead becomes a cloak of sorts protecting her from criticism.

The perils and pitfalls of viewing others' humanity through a political lens.


Edited by dollardays (25 Sep 2019 5.15am)

 
tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 25 Sep 19 5.35am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Have you really thought that through?

Immigration from Bangladesh or indeed any other relatively poor country is going to happen anyway. Indeed as development and help increases their living standards then at a set point a higher percentage of 'bangladeshes' will be able to afford the trip to Europe to earn more.

Work on climate change now isn't going to seriously affect anything in the environment for decades anyway.....it would be nothing but slowing down the rate of increase for a long time.

As climate change worsens it's going to affect the poorest who can't move so easily.....So the poorest won't be affording Europe anyway and would be moving within their own continent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2019 10.58pm)

Most migration is internal. It's not just a question of means but also because most people like having their family and friends around.

Climate change is already causing resource scarcity, conflict and refugees. See Lake Niger for example, or the islands affected by rising sea levels and increases in ferocity and frequency of typhoons.

 

A one and a two...

tome Flag Inner Tantalus Time. 25 Sep 19 5.36am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

just saw Greta speech on the telly.

right , that's it.

i am :

-buying a guzzler 4x4 car.
- stopping recycling
- living on mcdonalds cheese burgers
- dropping all my unwanted plastics into the sea
- using an old fashioned spray deodorant.


fv.ck it.

What a petulant response. Tempted to say 'man up'.

 

A one and a two...

Stirlingsays Flag 25 Sep 19 8.34am

Originally posted by tome

Most migration is internal. It's not just a question of means but also because most people like having their family and friends around.

Climate change is already causing resource scarcity, conflict and refugees. See Lake Niger for example, or the islands affected by rising sea levels and increases in ferocity and frequency of typhoons.


Sure, but you're not really addressing my points.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 12.39am

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

So because we aren’t going to see the benefits for a long time we shouldn’t start now? The major cathedrals of Europe often took centuries to complete. Set the wheel in motion now so future generations can feel the benefit.

Not what I said.....I've already spoken about the need for nuclear and effective climate change technologies.

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

And as those places within their continent fill up, the next rung up the economic ladder will move to less densely populated areas / areas with more opportunities and so forth. If we can do something to encourage people to stay where they are I say go for it.

I would imagine that our attitudes to migration are very different. Regardless what methods are you putting forward to 'encourage people to stay where they are'......I wager it's nothing that is practical or realistic.

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Additionally as we decrease our dependancy on gas / oil, we become less reliant on fossil fuels from the Middle East, which means the profit margins for Western intervention wars decrease, which means less migration as people can stay in their homes as they aren’t reduced to rubble. Win, win as far as I see it.

Edited by SavoyTruffle (24 Sep 2019 11.24pm)

This is you believing pure bunk and fantasy.

 

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Rubin Flag 27 Sep 19 2.24am


ANOTHER CLIMATE SCIENTIST WITH IMPECCABLE CREDENTIALS BREAKS RANKS: “OUR MODELS ARE MICKEY-MOUSE MOCKERIES OF THE REAL WORLD”

[Link]


 
YT Flag Oxford 27 Sep 19 8.37am

Originally posted by martin2412

If this supposed global warming is being created by people, then we need to reduce the number of people in the world.

About time for WWIII anyone ?

Only if it could be sustainable and carbon-neutral. WWII consumed vast amounts of fossil fuels. And the noise pollution was terrible.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Sep 19 9.02am

Originally posted by Rubin


ANOTHER CLIMATE SCIENTIST WITH IMPECCABLE CREDENTIALS BREAKS RANKS: “OUR MODELS ARE MICKEY-MOUSE MOCKERIES OF THE REAL WORLD”

[Link]


You do know this doesn’t refute global warming?

 
Rubin Flag 27 Sep 19 10.03am

Originally posted by Mapletree

You do know this doesn’t refute global warming?

No one denies that the climate changes. It's cyclical.

From the reading I've done, we're heading for a grand solar minimum, lasting 30-40 years, which will cause a temperature decrease, caused by reduced sun activity.

Major Climate Paper Withdrawn By Nature
[Link]


Climate Scientists Write To UN: There Is No Climate Emergency
[Link]

What's the betting that the discussion that they're asking for won't be permitted? You would have thought that if the advocates had a strong case, they'd relish the opportunity to show that the 'deniers' are incorrect, and to end the argument.


Edited by Rubin (27 Sep 2019 10.20am)

 
W12 27 Sep 19 7.33pm

The "climate emergency" is another way of controlling langauge and another way to justify increasing taxes on those that are productive to support "social justice" (the central tenet of which is funding mass immigration).

Just think about why "climate denial" has now entered into common parlance. Now where did that phrase originate from that makes people feel so uncomfortable?

 
Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 7.58pm

Originally posted by W12

The "climate emergency" is another way of controlling langauge and another way to justify increasing taxes on those that are productive to support "social justice" (the central tenet of which is funding mass immigration).

Just think about why "climate denial" has now entered into common parlance. Now where did that phrase originate from that makes people feel so uncomfortable?

The media's gate keeping and the attempts to control and demonise language are just more evidence of the path we have been led down.

Imagine if the 'Yellow Jackets' had been protesting against a government that the EU media didn't like.....The BBC for example, would have those stories on the front page every day.

Just like they highlight 'death threats' against certain people but not others......All agenda.

Like Sargon said....Dirty dirty smear merchants.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2019 7.59pm)

 

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Invalid user 2019 Flag 27 Sep 19 8.00pm

It's hard to argue against humans playing a role in climate change and almost all other environment issues. There's been far more money from the oil industry thrown at rubbishing climate change research than there ever will be in the opposite direction.

It's immensely rational long term to 'go green' whether it's renewable or even nuclear, and current methods of energy consumption look archaic in real time. As has been said by others though, getting the whole world on board with such a thing starts to enter pipe dream territory.

Depending on how drastic the situation became I could even see a future where there are wars as result of energy policy. The planet will always readjust though. 'Life goes on'.

Edited by dollardays (27 Sep 2019 8.05pm)

 
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