Having a weak opposition and Right wing conservative government with a big majority is not really something to celebrate if history tells us anything, unless you're a billionaire or hot shot banker of course

Mr Funt.

As you can plainly see, I have already claimed Lisa a few pages back.

So you will have to wait until I have finished.

Sloppy seconds for you, old chap.

Thirdsies

Red and Blue Army!

Certainly not.
She’s a nice girl.
One at a time.
Form a queue.
And no pushing at the back.

The tone of the recent comments in this thread have the same "locker room" quality so loved by the man so many of you seem to admire. The politically incorrect, but now impeached, current POTUS.

Having heard Lisa Nandy on the Today programme this morning I suspect she will soon be replacing Kier Starmer as the leading alternative to RLB.

Whatever your politics we need a functioning opposition to keep any government honest. If we end up with Labour choosing RLB, staying on the same track as Corbyn and just blaming the messengers rather than the message for their failure, then we won't get that.

Labour disintegrating and splitting into 2 or more pieces parts which then reform, with others, into a new British centre party may be in our long term best interests. However, the damage that would be done by the Tories, who would then have no immediate incentive to move towards the centre themselves, could be substantial.

A Lisa Nandy led Labour party could avoid that. What she said could appeal to both sides of Labour and offer a genuine third way, which sounds pretty radical to me, but could actually appeal to a lot of people. Especially after a few years out of the EU and in Trump's shadow.

Lots to watch in the coming months.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

So, albeit from a different perspective, you seem to agree with me!

The time for Starmer was last Autumn when Johnson had lost his majority and the door was wide open for a coalition of the like minded to form an emergency temporary government with Starmer as the PM, hold another referendum, hopefully kick Brexit into the long grass and then hold an election. If Labour had any sense then they would have also supported moves to PR.

I blame Corbyn for all of this. He gifted Johnson his victory and in so doing has set our country back decades. History will not be kind to him.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I do.

If the government of national unity had negotiated a soft Brexit deal with the EU and put that to the people in a 3 way choice of no Brexit, no deal, or a soft Brexit then I think we would have got a soft Brexit and would have "left" with the terms in place before a GE.

As I think we would have needed PR to make that choice they could then argue that now is also the time to change our entire electoral system. That change will arrive. It's only a question of when and not of if.

Farage would then have supported such a change as it would pretty much guarantee him a substantial voice in Parliament. It would though have split the Tories in two.

It would not have stopped the arguments though.

That's why I said that Labour would have been wise to have pushed for PR. With Corbyn out of the picture they would have appealed to a much wider group of voters and also been more amenable to tactical voting pacts.

Of course Farage and Johnson could have made a deal themselves, and tried to convince everybody that a further renegotiation was needed, but with Brexit "done" I don't think that would have succeeded.

Opportunity missed every bit as obviously as Tosun's was last night.

Too late now. Just like Palace those who favour EU membership need a rest and then to come back full of fight and determination again.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

For once I agree with you. All that talk of a government of national unity and of compromise and consensus when he really meant my way or the highway.

The other opposition parties were willing to deal but I give them some credit they had "skin in the game". Their "skin" was risking alienating their core supporters e.g.student loans, they were willing to do this Corbyn however was not prepared to make a similar risk e.g. step aside for the good of the country. That's why those talks went no where. He wanted them to risk everything so he could get his hands on the levers of power.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Jan 2020 4.01pm)

One more point

I agree but he was the one calling for the other parties to join him, why should they unless he was prepared to give something up.

Anyway I don't care there was a brief moment of opportunity for the Remain MPs and they blew so that's their fault. Roll on Jan 31.

One more point

Or in Corbyn's case the PLO.

Red and Blue Army!