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HKOwen Hong Kong 06 Dec 20 7.01am
It's only slander if they're not a prick ( libel is written ). Proving someone is a prick would be I suggest complicated. Originally posted by PalazioVecchio In a court of law you can get done for slander or libel for calling somebody a prick. you cannot get done for booing. so who is the worse ? the boo boys at Millwall, or the member who calls them pricks ? Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 06 Dec 20 7.01am

It's only slander if they're not a prick ( libel is written ). Proving someone is a prick would be I suggest complicated.

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

In a court of law you can get done for slander or libel for calling somebody a prick.

you cannot get done for booing.

so who is the worse ? the boo boys at Millwall, or the member who calls them pricks ?

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

chris123 hove actually 06 Dec 20 7.03am
Originally posted by cryrst Do you know the colour of some posters on here. It is relevant allied to their opinion! No idea, I just post an opinion - if the club and players are happy to participate, I don't want the gesture booed.

chris123

hove actually 06 Dec 20 7.03am

Originally posted by cryrst

Do you know the colour of some posters on here.
It is relevant allied to their opinion!

No idea, I just post an opinion - if the club and players are happy to participate, I don't want the gesture booed.

Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 06 Dec 20 7.23am
Originally posted by chris123 No idea, I just post an opinion - if the club and players are happy to participate, I don't want the gesture booed. I agree about the booing but inevitably, there will be a time and a place when such pre match gestures reach saturation point and possibly overstay their welcome. Maybe we are reaching that point? Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Henry of Peckham

Eton Mess 06 Dec 20 7.23am

Originally posted by chris123

No idea, I just post an opinion - if the club and players are happy to participate, I don't want the gesture booed.

I agree about the booing but inevitably, there will be a time and a place when such pre match gestures reach saturation point and possibly overstay their welcome. Maybe we are reaching that point?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Spiderman Horsham 06 Dec 20 7.35am
Originally posted by Mapletree Did you read my quite short post? You post a link to an organisation called Black Lives Matter Global Foundation inc. I despair Don’t despair you can’t be right all the time [Link] Edited by Spiderman (06 Dec 2020 7.42am)

Spiderman

Horsham 06 Dec 20 7.35am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Did you read my quite short post? You post a link to an organisation called Black Lives Matter Global Foundation inc.

I despair

Don’t despair you can’t be right all the time

[Link]

Edited by Spiderman (06 Dec 2020 7.42am)

Spiderman Horsham 06 Dec 20 7.38am
Originally posted by HKOwen Anyone who has any sympathy with the decision not to support an organisation which is anarchic, anti semitic and marxist is clearly a racist gammon etc etc..........or just a person who doesn't support racist , anarchic anti semites. However, the PL is now modifying the language commentators have to use to " racism in all it's forms " after it was pointed out to them that BLM UK is an racist,anarchic, anti semitic organisation. The legacy problem is that " taking the knee " is solely associated with BLM and a different action is required to show support against " racism in all it's forms ". Sky Sports didn't get the memo and persist with the BLM signs. Booing is not the optimal way to get the message across. How about a slogan like “kick it out”?

Spiderman

Horsham 06 Dec 20 7.38am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Anyone who has any sympathy with the decision not to support an organisation which is anarchic, anti semitic and marxist is clearly a racist gammon etc etc..........or just a person who doesn't support racist , anarchic anti semites. However, the PL is now modifying the language commentators have to use to " racism in all it's forms " after it was pointed out to them that BLM UK is an racist,anarchic, anti semitic organisation. The legacy problem is that " taking the knee " is solely associated with BLM and a different action is required to show support against " racism in all it's forms ".

Sky Sports didn't get the memo and persist with the BLM signs.

Booing is not the optimal way to get the message across.

How about a slogan like “kick it out”?

Spiderman Horsham 06 Dec 20 7.40am
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham I agree about the booing but inevitably, there will be a time and a place when such pre match gestures reach saturation point and possibly overstay their welcome. Maybe we are reaching that point? I agree, IMO the kneeling should not have continued this season. The point had been made. MOTD persisting in showing the kneeling before their highlights takes it beyond saturation point

Spiderman

Horsham 06 Dec 20 7.40am

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

I agree about the booing but inevitably, there will be a time and a place when such pre match gestures reach saturation point and possibly overstay their welcome. Maybe we are reaching that point?

I agree, IMO the kneeling should not have continued this season. The point had been made. MOTD persisting in showing the kneeling before their highlights takes it beyond saturation point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 20 8.27am
Originally posted by Spiderman Not necessarily naive but misled by the media and their coverage. Why insist on calling the poster naive? because he happens to have a different view to you? Worst kind of “white” person!! WTF Read the comment being responded to and it will be clear. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 20 8.27am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Not necessarily naive but misled by the media and their coverage. Why insist on calling the poster naive? because he happens to have a different view to you? Worst kind of “white” person!! WTF

Read the comment being responded to and it will be clear.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

dreamwaverider London 06 Dec 20 8.27am
My guess is that if fans had been in grounds at the beginning of this take the knee thing it would not have got off the ground. Posts on here show there are plenty who don’t agree with it and that will be all over the country. I suspect it will shortly end.

dreamwaverider

London 06 Dec 20 8.27am

My guess is that if fans had been in grounds at the beginning of this take the knee thing it would not have got off the ground. Posts on here show there are plenty who don’t agree with it and that will be all over the country. I suspect it will shortly end.

Badger11 Beckenham 06 Dec 20 8.29am
Originally posted by Spiderman Don’t despair you can’t be right all the time [Link] Edited by Spiderman (06 Dec 2020 7.42am) I'm thinking of starting a movement called Vote Tory* it will require people to stand and sing for the national anthem at public events and to publicly praise and celebrate our PM, anybody who refuses is an enemy of the people. *Vote Tory is an entirely independent movement and in no way connected to the Tory party. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 06 Dec 20 8.29am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Don’t despair you can’t be right all the time

[Link]

Edited by Spiderman (06 Dec 2020 7.42am)

I'm thinking of starting a movement called Vote Tory*** it will require people to stand and sing for the national anthem at public events and to publicly praise and celebrate our PM, anybody who refuses is an enemy of the people.

***Vote Tory is an entirely independent movement and in no way connected to the Tory party.

One more point

Spiderman Horsham 06 Dec 20 8.31am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Read the comment being responded to and it will be clear. I will rescind the “white person “ comment but am content to leave the rest of the post, as said Edited by Spiderman (06 Dec 2020 8.32am)

Spiderman

Horsham 06 Dec 20 8.31am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Read the comment being responded to and it will be clear.

I will rescind the “white person “ comment but am content to leave the rest of the post, as said

Edited by Spiderman (06 Dec 2020 8.32am)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 20 8.33am
Originally posted by Badger11 I'm thinking of starting a movement called Vote Tory* it will require people to stand and sing for the national anthem at public events and to publicly praise and celebrate our PM, anybody who refuses is an enemy of the people. *Vote Tory is an entirely independent movement and in no way connected to the Tory party. I refuse to believe you don't see the difference. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 06 Dec 20 8.33am

Originally posted by Badger11

***Vote Tory is an entirely independent movement and in no way connected to the Tory party.

I refuse to believe you don't see the difference.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

HKOwen Hong Kong 06 Dec 20 8.35am
[Link] wonder how much of this stuff is made in camps in China A philosophy ( not an organisation per Mapletree ) with it's own online shop. Edited by HKOwen (06 Dec 2020 9.29am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 06 Dec 20 8.35am

[Link] wonder how much of this stuff is made in camps in China

A philosophy ( not an organisation per Mapletree ) with it's own online shop.

Edited by HKOwen (06 Dec 2020 9.29am)

Badger11 Beckenham 06 Dec 20 8.49am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I refuse to believe you don't see the difference. Sorry to disappoint you. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 06 Dec 20 8.49am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I refuse to believe you don't see the difference.

Sorry to disappoint you.

One more point

Mapletree Croydon 06 Dec 20 9.32am
Originally posted by HKOwen [Link] Clearly not an organisation.......oh, hang on You not lack any capacity to understand but you don't seem to know what a philosophy is, doesn't seem to be a fundraising website for stoicism as an example and remember our own AT [Link] quote=Mapletree;3580092] I lack no capacity to understand. Nor does every player in every football club in the country. Perhaps it is you that is missing something And just to repeat, again. BLM is NOT an organisation. It is a philosophy. Some organisations have sprung up using the words, they do not all necessarily represent the views of those that believe in the philosophy. Edited by HKOwen (06 Dec 2020 7.04am) I opened your link. It said: WE WELCOME ALL - We stand together across the globe to change the world, we kneel together in peace and solidarity asserting black people is treated as equals to white people. It is a human right to receive racial equality, social and criminal justice in the societies we live and to receive parity as full citizens of the country and as a united nation. We are a non-political, non-partisan, non-violence platform. Some content published on our website may have limited political content by the very nature of a country state governed and under a system of democracy. We operate in a humanitarian capacity and concern before all else. We are not operating as a member of nor connected with any political party. Disclaimer: We are NEITHER associated or affiliated with @ukblm, recently registered (Sep 2020) with FCA under the name 'Black Liberation Movement UK' nor are will affiliated to BLM USA and or any other political group, party here in the UK or abroad. Edited by Mapletree (06 Dec 2020 9.32am)

Mapletree

Croydon 06 Dec 20 9.32am

Originally posted by HKOwen

[Link]

Clearly not an organisation.......oh, hang on

You not lack any capacity to understand but you don't seem to know what a philosophy is, doesn't seem to be a fundraising website for stoicism as an example

and remember our own AT

[Link]
quote=Mapletree;3580092]

I lack no capacity to understand. Nor does every player in every football club in the country. Perhaps it is you that is missing something

And just to repeat, again. BLM is NOT an organisation. It is a philosophy. Some organisations have sprung up using the words, they do not all necessarily represent the views of those that believe in the philosophy.

Edited by HKOwen (06 Dec 2020 7.04am)

I opened your link. It said:

WE WELCOME ALL - We stand together across the globe to change the world, we kneel together in peace and solidarity asserting black people is treated as equals to white people. It is a human right to receive racial equality, social and criminal justice in the societies we live and to receive parity as full citizens of the country and as a united nation.

We are a non-political, non-partisan, non-violence platform. Some content published on our website may have limited political content by the very nature of a country state governed and under a system of democracy. We operate in a humanitarian capacity and concern before all else.

We are not operating as a member of nor connected with any political party.

Disclaimer: We are NEITHER associated or affiliated with @ukblm, recently registered (Sep 2020) with FCA under the name 'Black Liberation Movement UK' nor are will affiliated to BLM USA and or any other political group, party here in the UK or abroad.

Edited by Mapletree (06 Dec 2020 9.32am)

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Dec 20 10.14am
Originally posted by Mapletree I opened your link. It said: WE WELCOME ALL - We stand together across the globe to change the world, we kneel together in peace and solidarity asserting black people is treated as equals to white people. It is a human right to receive racial equality, social and criminal justice in the societies we live and to receive parity as full citizens of the country and as a united nation. We are a non-political, non-partisan, non-violence platform. Some content published on our website may have limited political content by the very nature of a country state governed and under a system of democracy. We operate in a humanitarian capacity and concern before all else. We are not operating as a member of nor connected with any political party. Disclaimer: We are NEITHER associated or affiliated with @ukblm, recently registered (Sep 2020) with FCA under the name 'Black Liberation Movement UK' nor are will affiliated to BLM USA and or any other political group, party here in the UK or abroad. Edited by Mapletree (06 Dec 2020 9.32am) This is all rather quaint in a world where only 10% of people are White and where in many countries which are predominantly White, the population has been subject to mass immigration whether they liked it or not and then told to swallow positive discrimination. The vast majority of the planet's population sees no White on Black racism because there are virtually no White people there. In any country where you happen to be the minority, one will always experience a degree of prejudice. That is an unavoidable reality. Of course BLM have nothing to do with any reality regarding equality. What they want is power. There are laws to ensure equality of treatment, and they are perfectly adequate in all the areas that matter as far as any law can ever be. Unless of course you think that all these people take a knee just because someone once called someone else a nasty name at a football match.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Dec 20 10.14am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I opened your link. It said:

WE WELCOME ALL - We stand together across the globe to change the world, we kneel together in peace and solidarity asserting black people is treated as equals to white people. It is a human right to receive racial equality, social and criminal justice in the societies we live and to receive parity as full citizens of the country and as a united nation.

We are a non-political, non-partisan, non-violence platform. Some content published on our website may have limited political content by the very nature of a country state governed and under a system of democracy. We operate in a humanitarian capacity and concern before all else.

We are not operating as a member of nor connected with any political party.

Edited by Mapletree (06 Dec 2020 9.32am)

This is all rather quaint in a world where only 10% of people are White and where in many countries which are predominantly White, the population has been subject to mass immigration whether they liked it or not and then told to swallow positive discrimination. The vast majority of the planet's population sees no White on Black racism because there are virtually no White people there. In any country where you happen to be the minority, one will always experience a degree of prejudice. That is an unavoidable reality. Of course BLM have nothing to do with any reality regarding equality. What they want is power.

There are laws to ensure equality of treatment, and they are perfectly adequate in all the areas that matter as far as any law can ever be.
Unless of course you think that all these people take a knee just because someone once called someone else a nasty name at a football match.

Stirlingsays 06 Dec 20 10.40am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is all rather quaint in a world where only 10% of people are White and where in many countries which are predominantly White, the population has been subject to mass immigration whether they liked it or not and then told to swallow positive discrimination. The vast majority of the planet's population sees no White on Black racism because there are virtually no White people there. In any country where you happen to be the minority, one will always experience a degree of prejudice. That is an unavoidable reality. Of course BLM have nothing to do with any reality regarding equality. What they want is power. There are laws to ensure equality of treatment, and they are perfectly adequate in all the areas that matter as far as any law can ever be. Unless of course you think that all these people take a knee just because someone once called someone else a nasty name at a football match. Excellent points and welcome back. You are right, it's about power. Observe the reactions and how the institutions react against any dissent upon their messaging.....apparently the poor black and white millionaires are being oppressed by booing. It's about the diversity industry protecting and expanding its cash grabs. It's been created by mainly middle class liberals indoctrinated into white guilt, eager to virtue signal and talk down to those who aren't....mainly the working classes. Football is a working class game but it was always open to all. If you were good enough you always had a place. It isn't there as a showpiece for your politics. However, once we foolishly allowed corporates to take football over we subjected ourselves to this 'group think' mantra. If someone wants to clap taking the knee or boo it, then in a free country that's their right. What the FA thinks about it means bugger all. However, with these jerks infecting society today....and government not standing up for freedom....We are no longer that free society. People need to shake off the fear of being branded 'racist' by morons, who use it as a weapon and stand up for the freedom their ancestors created. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2020 10.43am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Dec 20 10.40am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Excellent points and welcome back.

You are right, it's about power.

Observe the reactions and how the institutions react against any dissent upon their messaging.....apparently the poor black and white millionaires are being oppressed by booing.

It's about the diversity industry protecting and expanding its cash grabs. It's been created by mainly middle class liberals indoctrinated into white guilt, eager to virtue signal and talk down to those who aren't....mainly the working classes.

Football is a working class game but it was always open to all. If you were good enough you always had a place.

It isn't there as a showpiece for your politics. However, once we foolishly allowed corporates to take football over we subjected ourselves to this 'group think' mantra.

If someone wants to clap taking the knee or boo it, then in a free country that's their right. What the FA thinks about it means bugger all.

However, with these jerks infecting society today....and government not standing up for freedom....We are no longer that free society.

People need to shake off the fear of being branded 'racist' by morons, who use it as a weapon and stand up for the freedom their ancestors created.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2020 10.43am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Dec 20 10.41am
Millwall fans are racist scum. Anyone who is taking their side needs to have a long hard look at yourself. Always thought we were a step above the apes from Bermondsey but clearly a lot of you aspire to their ideals. Here's it is from one of their own players: [Link] If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 06 Dec 20 10.41am

Millwall fans are racist scum.

Anyone who is taking their side needs to have a long hard look at yourself. Always thought we were a step above the apes from Bermondsey but clearly a lot of you aspire to their ideals.

Here's it is from one of their own players: [Link]

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

dreamwaverider London 06 Dec 20 10.47am
Originally posted by serial thriller Millwall fans are racist scum. Anyone who is taking their side needs to have a long hard look at yourself. Always thought we were a step above the apes from Bermondsey but clearly a lot of you aspire to their ideals. Here's it is from one of their own players: [Link] I suggest you read the trail of posts on here to give yourself a bit of balance on this subject. You may then reconsider your ferocious attack on our neighbours.

dreamwaverider

London 06 Dec 20 10.47am

Originally posted by serial thriller

Millwall fans are racist scum.

Anyone who is taking their side needs to have a long hard look at yourself. Always thought we were a step above the apes from Bermondsey but clearly a lot of you aspire to their ideals.

Here's it is from one of their own players: [Link]

I suggest you read the trail of posts on here to give yourself a bit of balance on this subject. You may then reconsider your ferocious attack on our neighbours.

baldeagle73 Leamington spa 06 Dec 20 10.48am
I really don’t give a dam if millionaire football players want to kneel for whichever cause they choose to support but I don’t want to pay too see it I don’t give a dam about football players thoughts on any subject race politics what music or food they like just play football walking down the holmesdale road to see the palace aces!

baldeagle73

Leamington spa 06 Dec 20 10.48am

I really don’t give a dam if millionaire football players want to kneel for whichever cause they choose to support but I don’t want to pay too see it I don’t give a dam about football players thoughts on any subject race politics what music or food they like just play football

walking down the holmesdale road to see the palace aces!

Stirlingsays 06 Dec 20 10.48am
Originally posted by serial thriller Millwall fans are racist scum. Anyone who is taking their side needs to have a long hard look at yourself. Always thought we were a step above the apes from Bermondsey but clearly a lot of you aspire to their ideals. Here's it is from one of their own players: [Link] It's amusing....you moan about racism and then use absolutes to describe a group. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Dec 20 10.48am

Originally posted by serial thriller

Millwall fans are racist scum.

Anyone who is taking their side needs to have a long hard look at yourself. Always thought we were a step above the apes from Bermondsey but clearly a lot of you aspire to their ideals.

Here's it is from one of their own players: [Link]

It's amusing....you moan about racism and then use absolutes to describe a group.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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